board is to fix the OL. I truly believe that is the direction we go not because of need but because the value is there too. One reason I really like Okudah is because I believe he can play the slot and he'd be an all pro there imo. In base packages I'd have him lined up outside but in sub packages I think he can really kill it there.
see in Baker. If Judge feels Baker will do what he was supposed to do, then yes Okudah is likely off the board. But never say never.
Perhaps a switch to more man to man, press helps Baker.
I still think he will be considered depending on what happens before them. I have a feeling they will trade back if they can get a pick or two for a short move back and then OT is the pick. If they cannot move back, and Simmons is there it becomes Simmons vs OT..
RE: I think the Slay trade took Okudah off the board
Absolutely. No way Detroit lets Slay go unless they have a backup plan. And the only backup plan that makes even a little sense is that they intend to draft Okudah. If I'm correct, that puts the Giants in the catbird seat as teams line up to jump over Miami and hopefully a bidding war commences for our no.4 spot
and the OT available, it makes Okudah less likely. I just prefer they slide down a few slots, pick up an extra #2 and still get their OT target. This second round crop is looking strong on paper.
that this particular offseason aligned itself best to adding pieces to the Defense via Free Agency, and then use deep Draft at a few positions (OT, WR) to add to the Offense.
Seems like Giants indeed have taken to that strategy in the former with additions to CB and LB. And it's only logical to focus on OT early in draft since the talent is there this year, and the team has to invest in its future with solid tackles.
Both of those things - signing Bradberry and Detroit wanting to
But it would be a bad sign if we feel we still need more talent in the secondary after all the draft capitol spent + Bradbury
I agree, but if they got him think about how amazing our corners could be. If Okudah is the goods, pair him with Bradbury and you have two potential shut down corners. You can possibly get away with not having great pass rushers with a duo like that.
it would be ideal for us to trade with Miami or the Chargers and get a 2nd round pick, (or even better a 2 and a 3) added to our war chest, and take one of the OL men
it would be ideal for us to trade with Miami or the Chargers and get a 2nd round pick, (or even better a 2 and a 3) added to our war chest, and take one of the OL men
me too. They now have alot of draft and $$ capital invested at CB. Time to focus on the OL.
I like the Bradberry signing but Okudah is a special talent. Bradberry could be gone in 3 years.
That was my initial thought, especially with a new coaching staff in place. As unlikely as it seems, the corners on the team are not Judge's players. OT and/or a trade back seems like the most logical choice, but if we are talking about the long game and the best player available, I just don't know.
I hope not. He’s probably the 3rd best player in this draft.
But it would be a bad sign if we feel we still need more talent in the secondary after all the draft capitol spent + Bradbury
I agree, but if they got him think about how amazing our corners could be. If Okudah is the goods, pair him with Bradbury and you have two potential shut down corners. You can possibly get away with not having great pass rushers with a duo like that.
Would make me feel very nervous about the guy putting together the team.
If they can’t rely on Baker after trading back into the first for him, how can we feel good about his ability to build out the rest of the roster.
And I am an Okudah guy. They know of 2-3 players that will be off the board before their 4th pick, they most likely came into this offseason with a plan that involved that 4th pick. There's probably a Plan A and Plan B in place right now in round 1. Regardless of history, I think DG will try to trade down this year, however I'm not so sure there will be a market there.
I think OT makes the most sense. But it depends on how they feel about Okudah. If he is clearly in a different class than the OTs I believe they would take him. You get better by working with better talent. While we have serious issues you cant pass up better talent to fill needs, that leads to mediocre. If we were an OT away from winning you could take that chance but we are not.
RE: Since we have not signed an OL and there is nothing in FA
I think OT makes the most sense. But it depends on how they feel about Okudah. If he is clearly in a different class than the OTs I believe they would take him. You get better by working with better talent. While we have serious issues you cant pass up better talent to fill needs, that leads to mediocre. If we were an OT away from winning you could take that chance but we are not.
Are we a CB away from winning? Is a CB going to help protect Daniel Jones and clear some paths for Saquon Barkley?
We are not drafting a CB at four. Try to accept that. Our OL is a GLARING need in a OL rich draft. If we don't get stronger at the LOS we will be picking top five forever. CB or RB should NEVER even be considered in top five picks.
They invested so many assets already into the CB position. $15 million a year for Bradberry, a 1st round pick for Baker, a 3rd round pick for Beal, a 6th for Ballentine. With the state of the OL I just can’t see how they can justify using a top 5 pick out he position as well. Now if they traded down and he was somehow still on the board then I think that’s possible but I think the pick will be an OT.
decreased the probability of drafting Okudah. The real ease of Slay made the staging of Okudah much more improbable. I really thing it’s a trade down with either Miami or LA, taking an OT or Simmons. The LB position still remains an issue, regarding a coverage type LB. I will say this, though. I think it is an OT, because DG may never have an great opportunity to get a franchise OT after this year through the draft. To me, it seems pretty much likely.
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
I don’t think there is a question we’re gonna be top 10 next year. OT and edge figure to be still among our top needs. As I always do, I looked ahead to the top 2021 prospects. There’s a monster OT from Oregon who is labeled “can’t miss”. As for edge? There is a converted WR to edge rusher from Miami and then the pickings are slim there after.
The really fun thing about not aligning our Draft strategy
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
We play a lot of teams next year with better rosters than us. It’s not shaping up as a walk in the park.
Arizona, Tampa, Philly, Dallas, SF, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Rams, and Seattle all have better rosters today and figure to do so upon season start. I’m not saying we actually lose them all, but that’s potentially 12 losses right there.
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
I don't know, I'll be glass half full. If we hit on an offensive lineman, and hit on a few other picks, we will see if Judge is an upgrade over Schurmur.
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
I’d be surprised if the Giants AREN’T picking in the top 10 next year. We have an undertalented, young roster adapting to a very new system with new coaches. September and October will be a trainwreck, guys. Just stay strong.
1. Burrows / 1. Young / 3. Okudah
At which point I hope we either take Simmons or trade back a few and take the best OT on the board while adding another premium pick.
Perhaps a switch to more man to man, press helps Baker.
I still think he will be considered depending on what happens before them. I have a feeling they will trade back if they can get a pick or two for a short move back and then OT is the pick. If they cannot move back, and Simmons is there it becomes Simmons vs OT..
Absolutely. No way Detroit lets Slay go unless they have a backup plan. And the only backup plan that makes even a little sense is that they intend to draft Okudah. If I'm correct, that puts the Giants in the catbird seat as teams line up to jump over Miami and hopefully a bidding war commences for our no.4 spot
Seems like Giants indeed have taken to that strategy in the former with additions to CB and LB. And it's only logical to focus on OT early in draft since the talent is there this year, and the team has to invest in its future with solid tackles.
I agree, but if they got him think about how amazing our corners could be. If Okudah is the goods, pair him with Bradbury and you have two potential shut down corners. You can possibly get away with not having great pass rushers with a duo like that.
I like the Bradberry signing but Okudah is a special talent. Bradberry could be gone in 3 years.
me too. They now have alot of draft and $$ capital invested at CB. Time to focus on the OL.
Don't make me go all Liam Neeson on your monkey ass.
I like the Bradberry signing but Okudah is a special talent. Bradberry could be gone in 3 years.
That was my initial thought, especially with a new coaching staff in place. As unlikely as it seems, the corners on the team are not Judge's players. OT and/or a trade back seems like the most logical choice, but if we are talking about the long game and the best player available, I just don't know.
Put me in the camp of a slight trade back and pick the best available OT (or Simmons, if he's there).
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But it would be a bad sign if we feel we still need more talent in the secondary after all the draft capitol spent + Bradbury
I agree, but if they got him think about how amazing our corners could be. If Okudah is the goods, pair him with Bradbury and you have two potential shut down corners. You can possibly get away with not having great pass rushers with a duo like that.
Would make me feel very nervous about the guy putting together the team.
If they can’t rely on Baker after trading back into the first for him, how can we feel good about his ability to build out the rest of the roster.
Are we a CB away from winning? Is a CB going to help protect Daniel Jones and clear some paths for Saquon Barkley?
Yeah, maybe a QB as well....
Old Platoon Sergeant used to use that one, as in, "Get your monkey asses in gear!"
It might just be worth accepting this GM really values the secondary.
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and grab one of the top wide receivers as well.
Yeah, maybe a QB as well....
Or possibly even RB.
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Old Platoon Sergeant used to use that one, as in, "Get your monkey asses in gear!"
Ok, I will try Sarge.
As to my monkey ass comment, I was just recalling it from an earlier thread as to what some guys were suggesting to do at #4 instead of OT.
that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
I don’t think there is a question we’re gonna be top 10 next year. OT and edge figure to be still among our top needs. As I always do, I looked ahead to the top 2021 prospects. There’s a monster OT from Oregon who is labeled “can’t miss”. As for edge? There is a converted WR to edge rusher from Miami and then the pickings are slim there after.
That is how you get guys like Flowers and Solder.
Groundhog Day.
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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
We play a lot of teams next year with better rosters than us. It’s not shaping up as a walk in the park.
Arizona, Tampa, Philly, Dallas, SF, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Rams, and Seattle all have better rosters today and figure to do so upon season start. I’m not saying we actually lose them all, but that’s potentially 12 losses right there.
I don't know, I'll be glass half full. If we hit on an offensive lineman, and hit on a few other picks, we will see if Judge is an upgrade over Schurmur.
Old Platoon Sergeant used to use that one, as in, "Get your monkey asses in gear!"
Ok, I will try Sarge.
As to my monkey ass comment, I was just recalling it from an earlier thread as to what some guys were suggesting to do at #4 instead of OT.
Yeah, I knew you weren't being serious.
Did you think I was really going to look for you, find you, and kill you?
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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
Yeah, I knew you weren't being serious.
Did you think I was really going to look for you, find you, and kill you?
Or Foreskins f*ck sh*t up.