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Does the Bradberry signing take Okudah off the

barens : 3/20/2020 8:59 am
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No but I think he’s gone anyway  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2020 9:00 am : link
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yes  
Chip : 3/20/2020 9:01 am : link
my opinion. OT or Simmons
Most likely. I am a big fan but the way to get more wins on the  
robbieballs2003 : 3/20/2020 9:02 am : link
board is to fix the OL. I truly believe that is the direction we go not because of need but because the value is there too. One reason I really like Okudah is because I believe he can play the slot and he'd be an all pro there imo. In base packages I'd have him lined up outside but in sub packages I think he can really kill it there.
I think the Slay trade took Okudah off the board  
Ben in Tampa : 3/20/2020 9:03 am : link
At #4
I would think so  
JerryNicklebag : 3/20/2020 9:04 am : link
But who knows. While I am still holding out hope that there is a run on QB's right at the top I am fully expecting the draft to unfold as it should.

1. Burrows / 1. Young / 3. Okudah

At which point I hope we either take Simmons or trade back a few and take the best OT on the board while adding another premium pick.
It depends on what the  
section125 : 3/20/2020 9:04 am : link
see in Baker. If Judge feels Baker will do what he was supposed to do, then yes Okudah is likely off the board. But never say never.
Perhaps a switch to more man to man, press helps Baker.

I still think he will be considered depending on what happens before them. I have a feeling they will trade back if they can get a pick or two for a short move back and then OT is the pick. If they cannot move back, and Simmons is there it becomes Simmons vs OT..
RE: I think the Slay trade took Okudah off the board  
mavric : 3/20/2020 9:10 am : link
In comment 14843604 Ben in Tampa said:
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At #4


Absolutely. No way Detroit lets Slay go unless they have a backup plan. And the only backup plan that makes even a little sense is that they intend to draft Okudah. If I'm correct, that puts the Giants in the catbird seat as teams line up to jump over Miami and hopefully a bidding war commences for our no.4 spot
i know BPA and all  
ron mexico : 3/20/2020 9:11 am : link
But it would be a bad sign if we feel we still need more talent in the secondary after all the draft capitol spent + Bradbury
Given the holes they need to fill  
JonC : 3/20/2020 9:11 am : link
and the OT available, it makes Okudah less likely. I just prefer they slide down a few slots, pick up an extra #2 and still get their OT target. This second round crop is looking strong on paper.
Handful of posters have remarked on here lately  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 9:12 am : link
that this particular offseason aligned itself best to adding pieces to the Defense via Free Agency, and then use deep Draft at a few positions (OT, WR) to add to the Offense.

Seems like Giants indeed have taken to that strategy in the former with additions to CB and LB. And it's only logical to focus on OT early in draft since the talent is there this year, and the team has to invest in its future with solid tackles.
Both of those things - signing Bradberry and Detroit wanting to  
Ira : 3/20/2020 9:12 am : link
replace Slay make it highly unlikely that we see Okudah in blue.
RE: i know BPA and all  
eric2425ny : 3/20/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14843619 ron mexico said:
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But it would be a bad sign if we feel we still need more talent in the secondary after all the draft capitol spent + Bradbury


I agree, but if they got him think about how amazing our corners could be. If Okudah is the goods, pair him with Bradbury and you have two potential shut down corners. You can possibly get away with not having great pass rushers with a duo like that.
I agree with JonC  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/20/2020 9:15 am : link
it would be ideal for us to trade with Miami or the Chargers and get a 2nd round pick, (or even better a 2 and a 3) added to our war chest, and take one of the OL men
I still think it's likely Detroit trades down,  
barens : 3/20/2020 9:16 am : link
especially knowing that Okudah may be off the board for us.
Could always go BPA at #4  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 9:16 am : link
and grab one of the top wide receivers as well.
It's clear to me that the FO is playing the long game...  
Capt. Don : 3/20/2020 9:18 am : link
So no, it doesnt.

I like the Bradberry signing but Okudah is a special talent. Bradberry could be gone in 3 years.
RE: I agree with JonC  
Victor in CT : 3/20/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14843627 gidiefor said:
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it would be ideal for us to trade with Miami or the Chargers and get a 2nd round pick, (or even better a 2 and a 3) added to our war chest, and take one of the OL men


me too. They now have alot of draft and $$ capital invested at CB. Time to focus on the OL.
RE: Could always go BPA at #4  
Klaatu : 3/20/2020 9:21 am : link
In comment 14843629 LBH15 said:
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and grab one of the top wide receivers as well.


Don't make me go all Liam Neeson on your monkey ass.
RE: It's clear to me that the FO is playing the long game...  
barens : 3/20/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14843632 Capt. Don said:
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So no, it doesnt.

I like the Bradberry signing but Okudah is a special talent. Bradberry could be gone in 3 years.


That was my initial thought, especially with a new coaching staff in place. As unlikely as it seems, the corners on the team are not Judge's players. OT and/or a trade back seems like the most logical choice, but if we are talking about the long game and the best player available, I just don't know.
I hope not. He’s probably the 3rd best player in this draft.  
The_Boss : 3/20/2020 9:25 am : link
But it probably does, unfortunately.
Detroit picked up Trufant to replace Slay.  
Giantgator : 3/20/2020 9:27 am : link
I don't think CB at #3 is a given.

Put me in the camp of a slight trade back and pick the best available OT (or Simmons, if he's there).
I like the slay deal  
Carl in CT : 3/20/2020 9:28 am : link
We might hold the cards for the 2nd QB lottery. (That’s if Det is in love with him).
Det  
MotownGIANTS : 3/20/2020 9:28 am : link
is either going CB or QB to replace Stafford and let him sit 1 yr to be groomed. Then you trade Stafford and get a 3rd or something.
RE: RE: i know BPA and all  
ron mexico : 3/20/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 14843626 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14843619 ron mexico said:


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But it would be a bad sign if we feel we still need more talent in the secondary after all the draft capitol spent + Bradbury



I agree, but if they got him think about how amazing our corners could be. If Okudah is the goods, pair him with Bradbury and you have two potential shut down corners. You can possibly get away with not having great pass rushers with a duo like that.


Would make me feel very nervous about the guy putting together the team.
If they can’t rely on Baker after trading back into the first for him, how can we feel good about his ability to build out the rest of the roster.
Yeh it does  
AcesUp : 3/20/2020 9:29 am : link
And I am an Okudah guy. They know of 2-3 players that will be off the board before their 4th pick, they most likely came into this offseason with a plan that involved that 4th pick. There's probably a Plan A and Plan B in place right now in round 1. Regardless of history, I think DG will try to trade down this year, however I'm not so sure there will be a market there.
Bradberry doesn't take him off the board.  
Klaatu : 3/20/2020 9:30 am : link
The lack of even one competent offensive tackle does.
Since we have not signed an OL and there is nothing in FA  
Rudy5757 : 3/20/2020 9:30 am : link
I think OT makes the most sense. But it depends on how they feel about Okudah. If he is clearly in a different class than the OTs I believe they would take him. You get better by working with better talent. While we have serious issues you cant pass up better talent to fill needs, that leads to mediocre. If we were an OT away from winning you could take that chance but we are not.
RE: Since we have not signed an OL and there is nothing in FA  
Klaatu : 3/20/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14843659 Rudy5757 said:
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I think OT makes the most sense. But it depends on how they feel about Okudah. If he is clearly in a different class than the OTs I believe they would take him. You get better by working with better talent. While we have serious issues you cant pass up better talent to fill needs, that leads to mediocre. If we were an OT away from winning you could take that chance but we are not.


Are we a CB away from winning? Is a CB going to help protect Daniel Jones and clear some paths for Saquon Barkley?
Giants are kind of like an OT away from not being  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 9:37 am : link
able to line up on Offense. And two away from functioning properly.
Jeezus H Christ  
averagejoe : 3/20/2020 9:37 am : link
We are not drafting a CB at four. Try to accept that. Our OL is a GLARING need in a OL rich draft. If we don't get stronger at the LOS we will be picking top five forever. CB or RB should NEVER even be considered in top five picks.
Monkey ass?  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 9:37 am : link
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I think so  
Jay on the Island : 3/20/2020 9:38 am : link
They invested so many assets already into the CB position. $15 million a year for Bradberry, a 1st round pick for Baker, a 3rd round pick for Beal, a 6th for Ballentine. With the state of the OL I just can’t see how they can justify using a top 5 pick out he position as well. Now if they traded down and he was somehow still on the board then I think that’s possible but I think the pick will be an OT.
YES, ZERO chance the Giants draft him  
ZogZerg : 3/20/2020 9:44 am : link
Especially at #4.

RE: Could always go BPA at #4  
ZogZerg : 3/20/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 14843629 LBH15 said:
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and grab one of the top wide receivers as well.


Yeah, maybe a QB as well....
RE: Monkey ass?  
Klaatu : 3/20/2020 9:47 am : link
In comment 14843672 LBH15 said:
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Old Platoon Sergeant used to use that one, as in, "Get your monkey asses in gear!"
...  
christian : 3/20/2020 9:50 am : link
At every acquisition juncture there's a table banging group screaming Gettleman will not go for the corner, and many times he does.

It might just be worth accepting this GM really values the secondary.
The signing of Bradberry  
DonnieD89 : 3/20/2020 9:59 am : link
decreased the probability of drafting Okudah. The real ease of Slay made the staging of Okudah much more improbable. I really thing it’s a trade down with either Miami or LA, taking an OT or Simmons. The LB position still remains an issue, regarding a coverage type LB. I will say this, though. I think it is an OT, because DG may never have an great opportunity to get a franchise OT after this year through the draft. To me, it seems pretty much likely.
RE: RE: Could always go BPA at #4  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 14843695 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14843629 LBH15 said:


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and grab one of the top wide receivers as well.



Yeah, maybe a QB as well....


Or possibly even RB.
RE: RE: Monkey ass?  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 14843698 Klaatu said:
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Old Platoon Sergeant used to use that one, as in, "Get your monkey asses in gear!"


Ok, I will try Sarge.

As to my monkey ass comment, I was just recalling it from an earlier thread as to what some guys were suggesting to do at #4 instead of OT.
Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
JonC : 3/20/2020 10:14 am : link
NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.
RE: Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
Victor in CT : 3/20/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14843744 JonC said:
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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.


that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
RE: Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
The_Boss : 3/20/2020 10:18 am : link
In comment 14843744 JonC said:
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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.


I don’t think there is a question we’re gonna be top 10 next year. OT and edge figure to be still among our top needs. As I always do, I looked ahead to the top 2021 prospects. There’s a monster OT from Oregon who is labeled “can’t miss”. As for edge? There is a converted WR to edge rusher from Miami and then the pickings are slim there after.
The really fun thing about not aligning our Draft strategy  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 10:23 am : link
this year to the nice supply of OTs, will be shopping desperate for one in free agency or a weaker draft in 2021.

That is how you get guys like Flowers and Solder.

Groundhog Day.

RE: RE: Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
The_Boss : 3/20/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 14843749 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 14843744 JonC said:


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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.



that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.


We play a lot of teams next year with better rosters than us. It’s not shaping up as a walk in the park.

Arizona, Tampa, Philly, Dallas, SF, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Rams, and Seattle all have better rosters today and figure to do so upon season start. I’m not saying we actually lose them all, but that’s potentially 12 losses right there.
RE: Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
barens : 3/20/2020 10:26 am : link
In comment 14843744 JonC said:
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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.


I don't know, I'll be glass half full. If we hit on an offensive lineman, and hit on a few other picks, we will see if Judge is an upgrade over Schurmur.
RE: RE: RE: Monkey ass?  
Klaatu : 3/20/2020 10:26 am : link
In comment 14843742 LBH15 said:
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Old Platoon Sergeant used to use that one, as in, "Get your monkey asses in gear!"

Ok, I will try Sarge.

As to my monkey ass comment, I was just recalling it from an earlier thread as to what some guys were suggesting to do at #4 instead of OT.


Yeah, I knew you weren't being serious.

Did you think I was really going to look for you, find you, and kill you?
RE: RE: Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
cosmicj : 3/20/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14843749 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 14843744 JonC said:


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NYG is drafting top 10 again next year. OL and pass rush are not improved, so far. It might wind up being how we obtain the best available OT now, and Edge a year from now, for example.



that's a cheerful thought :-(. God I hope you're wrong for once.
I’d be surprised if the Giants AREN’T picking in the top 10 next year. We have an undertalented, young roster adapting to a very new system with new coaches. September and October will be a trainwreck, guys. Just stay strong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Monkey ass?  
cosmicj : 3/20/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 14843771 Klaatu said:
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Yeah, I knew you weren't being serious.

Did you think I was really going to look for you, find you, and kill you?
Find him and kill him? No, but only because that would violate social distancing.
I was favoring Simmons  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/20/2020 10:35 am : link
hopefully Detroit don't mess things up for us.

Or Foreskins f*ck sh*t up.
No  
jeff57 : 3/20/2020 10:37 am : link
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