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Does the Bradberry signing take Okudah off the

barens : 3/20/2020 8:59 am
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RE: RE: RE: Right now, there's a pretty good chance  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 10:37 am : link
In comment 14843778 cosmicj said:
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I’d be surprised if the Giants AREN’T picking in the top 10 next year. We have an undertalented, young roster adapting to a very new system with new coaches. September and October will be a trainwreck, guys. Just stay strong.


Yep. No need to concern conversation with where will be picking in 2021. The team has to start being more credible on way too many fronts first.
RE: I think so  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/20/2020 10:39 am : link
In comment 14843673 Jay on the Island said:
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They invested so many assets already into the CB position. $15 million a year for Bradberry, a 1st round pick for Baker, a 3rd round pick for Beal, a 6th for Ballentine. With the state of the OL I just can’t see how they can justify using a top 5 pick out he position as well. Now if they traded down and he was somehow still on the board then I think that’s possible but I think the pick will be an OT.

Signing of Bradberry likely an indicator Giants aren't super high on Okudah.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Monkey ass?  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14843771 Klaatu said:
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Yeah, I knew you weren't being serious.

Did you think I was really going to look for you, find you, and kill you?


No, I didn't think so. But some posters do indeed go a little postal from time to time.


did u see what i did there?
I have to agree what JonC says.  
DonnieD89 : 3/20/2020 10:40 am : link
Giants are going to like have a top 10 pick next year. Can’t see them as a playoff threat for next year. Take the OT this year an go after the ER next year. DG may never have a shot at a talented OT after this year’s draft. This team is being built for the long run. I think this is a good strategy moving forward.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Monkey ass?  
Klaatu : 3/20/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14843801 LBH15 said:
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In comment 14843771 Klaatu said:


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Yeah, I knew you weren't being serious.

Did you think I was really going to look for you, find you, and kill you?



No, I didn't think so. But some posters do indeed go a little postal from time to time.


did u see what i did there?


Yes, and it gets my stamp of approval.
RE: I think the Slay trade took Okudah off the board  
AcidTest : 3/20/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 14843604 Ben in Tampa said:
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At #4


Agreed. I would also prefer a trade down, but I'm beginning to think fans value Tua and Herbert more than the teams.
Never  
Toth029 : 3/20/2020 11:04 am : link
Thought they had consideration for him.

I don't think they would have went in with a rookie and a 2nd year guy starting.
One thing to keep in mind  
JonC : 3/20/2020 11:06 am : link
DG has been trying to build this defense strong up the middle and on the backend. The investment in Edge players has not been as expected, and perhaps it is somewhat by design. Rams did the same thing, Ravens are doing it now and also have Judon, Patriots have been doing it and pouring the resources into the backend while manufacturing rush by pushing the pocket back rather than bending the edges.
Build the defense out, plug in the rush talent when it presents itself  
JonC : 3/20/2020 11:07 am : link
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Think OT from Stanford might be in conversation  
Payasdaddy : 3/20/2020 1:42 pm : link
For top 10 also next yr
I would have no issues going OT and C first two rds this yr
( with hopefully an xtra #2 to pick a wr or Er) and then go stud OT
Again next yr
You have saquon, his shelf life probably 5 more top yrs
Give him a talented mauling line. Don’t fuck around.
Does the Bradberry signing take Okudah off the board?  
Torrag : 3/20/2020 2:51 pm : link
That combined with the Lions shedding Slay means a likelihood we aren't drafting Okudah. Which is good for me because I have a slightly lower grade on Okudah than some.

As of now we should be taking Jedrick Wills IF we stay at #4. But as numerous others have suggested our best scenario may be a short trade down to add a couple of picks and THEN taking an OT.

Either way it has to be an OT in Round 1 for three reasons:

1- Jedrick Wills is a Top 5 prospect all day long so if we take him at #4 we aren't leaving 'talent' on the board. Same thing applies if we trade down. There are two other Top 10 OT's available.

2- it's our greatest need at a critical position on the roster and will have a domino effect throughout the offense. Especially for our two recent Top 6 picks Jones and Barkley.

3- we didn't significantly improve the talent at OT during Free Agency.
4 - We don't have a starting Right Tackle on roster  
LBH15 : 3/20/2020 6:51 pm : link
5 - Solder is breaking down at Left Tackle
6 - Even if Solder gets thru one more season, his a prime candidate to cut in 2021 based on his cap savings
7 - Klaatu and I said so
This OL group are all 2nd round talent at the most.  
TMS : 3/20/2020 7:39 pm : link
There are only a few real top ten players here other than QBs. Young. Simmons and Okudah. Hope we get one of them or trade down.
Bradberry was just interviewed on sirius  
George from PA : 3/20/2020 8:38 pm : link
What a well spoken, humbled but confident young man...he sounds like a great addition

He was proud of manning up against Julio, Michael Thomas and Mike Evans...and look forward to A. Cooper and the others
To answer the OP,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2020 8:42 pm : link
yes.

I still hope we trade back a couple of picks & get some more draft picks. DG has never traded back though so who knows?
TMS: "This OL group are all 2nd round talent at the most."  
Torrag : 3/20/2020 8:49 pm : link
Hahaha. Thx for the comic relief. This is easily the best Top 10-15 OT and overall Top 40 OL class in years.
I don't think so - take a look at how much the Pats have in secondary  
Eric on Li : 3/20/2020 10:21 pm : link
CB Gilmore - 18m aav
CB Jones - 6m aav
CB McCourtney - 6m aav
CB Bethel - 2m aav
CB Joejuan Williams - 2019 2nd round pick
CB JC Jackson - UDFA
FS McCourtney - 12m aav
FS Phillips - 3m aav
SS Chung - 6m aav

Per spotrac (link below) NE spends 26% of their cap dollars on their secondary and that's the 2nd most in the NFL - more than $54m total. With Bradberry the Giants have half of that amount in our secondary with $26m (13.4%).

Also taking a wider view of the top 5 teams in 2019 other than the Pats you see Patrick Graham's Dolphins coached by former Pats DC Brian Flores and Mike Vrabel's Tennessee Titans. Also 4 of the 6 were playoff teams and among the best defenses in football.

1. Baltimore - 33.2%
3. Miami - 23.9% (a little misleading bc $40m of their secondary was on injured reserve)
4. Minnesota - 21.8%
5. Chicago - 19.8%
6. Tennessee - 17.6%

So net-net, if Judge buys into what seems to be Belichek's current theory of resource allocation, I don't think there's a such thing as "already enough resources invested in the secondary". Also maybe we should be keeping an eye on Logan Ryan and some of the other DB's still out there in FA.
NE positional spending - ( New Window )
btw everything I posted may also dictate Okudah to DET (Patricia)  
Eric on Li : 3/20/2020 10:27 pm : link
and reduce the chance that they will risk trading back behind us if they really think highly of him knowing Judge/Graham may feel the exact same way.

Then if the draft goes:
1. Burrow
2. Young
3. Okudah

As is the current conventional wisdom, boy would that be great for us with CAR, LAC, and MIA potentially jockeying to move up for a QB.

Extra picks plus Simmons or our top OT would be a coup. NE's second largest position group spend is OL and Simmons obviously is in large part a coverage player - so I could really see that decision going either way.
RE: TMS:  
TMS : 3/20/2020 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14844514 Torrag said:
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Hahaha. Thx for the comic relief. This is easily the best Top 10-15 OT and overall Top 40 OL class in years.
. Do you actually think any of these OL candidates are are top five draft talent ? They are late first or second Round at best,
"any of these OL candidates are are top five draft talent ?"  
Torrag : 3/20/2020 11:44 pm : link
Wills is definitely a Top 5 talent. Thomas/Becton/Wirfs in the 8-15 Range. All will be gone in the top half of the 1st round.

It's really very obvious. You'd be hard pressed to find a single knowledgeable opinion that thinks otherwise. Of course that doesn't include you.
Probably.  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/21/2020 1:00 am : link
But I think Getts is looking for an opportunity to trade down a bit, pick up an extra second rounder, and still get one of the premium OTs.

If the opportunity arises.
RE: I don't think so - take a look at how much the Pats have in secondary  
LBH15 : 3/21/2020 7:34 am : link
In comment 14844570 Eric on Li said:
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CB Gilmore - 18m aav
CB Jones - 6m aav
CB McCourtney - 6m aav
CB Bethel - 2m aav
CB Joejuan Williams - 2019 2nd round pick
CB JC Jackson - UDFA
FS McCourtney - 12m aav
FS Phillips - 3m aav
SS Chung - 6m aav

Per spotrac (link below) NE spends 26% of their cap dollars on their secondary and that's the 2nd most in the NFL - more than $54m total. With Bradberry the Giants have half of that amount in our secondary with $26m (13.4%).

Also taking a wider view of the top 5 teams in 2019 other than the Pats you see Patrick Graham's Dolphins coached by former Pats DC Brian Flores and Mike Vrabel's Tennessee Titans. Also 4 of the 6 were playoff teams and among the best defenses in football.

1. Baltimore - 33.2%
3. Miami - 23.9% (a little misleading bc $40m of their secondary was on injured reserve)
4. Minnesota - 21.8%
5. Chicago - 19.8%
6. Tennessee - 17.6%

So net-net, if Judge buys into what seems to be Belichek's current theory of resource allocation, I don't think there's a such thing as "already enough resources invested in the secondary". Also maybe we should be keeping an eye on Logan Ryan and some of the other DB's still out there in FA. NE positional spending - ( New Window )


Good post.

The spread between Pats and Giants is as large as it is because they have so many veterans and we do not. However, your point is still valid that we are on the very low end.

We should give somebody back there a raise.
It def saves $ that all nyg DB's except Bradberry are on rookie deals  
Eric on Li : 3/21/2020 11:50 am : link
but we could also look at it through the lens of draft capital. Obviously this misses a lot of context in terms of how the players actually performed once in the NFL and since some were drafted on other teams and acquired as FA, but it does show the general level of resource it would have taken to source a secondary like theirs (whether on rookie deals or 2nd contracts) - plus the need to do well scouting/developing late rounders or UDFAs.

Peppers 1st (#25)
Baker 1st (#30)
Bradberry 2nd
Beal a 3rd
Ballentine a 5th
Love a 4th

Pats:
Gilmore 1st (#10)
D. McCourty 1st (#27)
Chung 2nd
Joejuan Williams 2nd
Obi Melifonwu 2nd
T. Brooks 3rd
J. McCourty 6th
JC Jackson UDFA
Jon Jones UDFA

So similar conclusion as the other post, if Judge believes in DB's the way Belichek does, there are likely some open needs he'd like to fill (deep coverage safety, slot) - and ideally at least 1 of those would be filled by a day 1 or day 2 level talent. A signing like Logan Ryan would be a great fit, though he supposedly holding out for a contract at $10m AAV.
Discussed this a bit last week. Belichick clearly loves  
LBH15 : 3/21/2020 11:57 am : link
his DBs and Safeties, and centers most of his defensive strategies around heavy man coverages, so no surprise he allocates his $ that way as well.

Dollars do not heavily flow to interior Dlineman.
if Simmons is there  
Jersey55 : 3/23/2020 5:19 pm : link
we can't possibly pass on him.
OL First  
Rong5611 : 3/23/2020 5:37 pm : link
Need to fix the OL. I would love to have Okudah, but cannot see them pulling the trigger when they have alot of holes to fill. They need to come out of the draft with 2 OT's and a C.
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