Schneier: For the first time since ‘08, they have a plan

The past couple of offseasons have shown a total lack of a plan. Hopefully they have actually turned a corner with Judge n co. now guiding things.

What still kills me is paying Eli to stay on last year. We really could have used that rollover cap space this year or next. Some posters just didn’t get that.

In comment 14843719 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14843714 christian said: Quote: I'm struggling to see the difference between last off season and this off season. For starters, new staff, former players of this new staff, front loaded contracts. Draft, TBD

Last offseason the Giants signed 1 UFA contract with any money guaranteed after year 1.

They also signed 4 ex AZ Cardinals and an ex-Panther.

I'm not knocking the approach. But Gettleman was very conservative last year, didn't make many long-term commitments and acquired players the staff with largely familiar with.

Sounds pretty much like this year.

You make good points but the team was cap constrained last year. This year’s approach is being executed from a place with some room to maneuver.

In comment 14843772 cosmicj said:

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You make good points but the team was cap constrained last year. This year’s approach is being executed from a place with some room to maneuver.

So maybe it's fair to state Gettleman is employing much the same strategy, but is just spending more money?

Again, I'm not knocking the plan.

I thought what he did in 2018 was deplorable. I hated every move he made and wasn't surprised nearly all of them failed.

What's he's done the last 2 years has been much better. The only move I disagree with is Tate. That had some 2018 stink to it. I hope he avoids that this year.

like a good plan to me. Bradberry was the prize of FA but he costs more than what we were paying Jenkins for a similar level player. I would have rather gone for Littleton and paid a little more than Martinez. Maybe he didnt want to come here but I read his price was too high, he only got $2 mil more a year than Martinez. Fackerell was a good signing but he replaces Golden.

We had $80 mil and didnt improve the roster from last year.

Fackerell = Golden
LW = LW
Martinez = Golden
Toil?? TE = Ellison
Bradberry = Jenkins

A little younger but not better. None of these players seem to be the type to make others around them better. We also have major holes at C & RT on O and FS on D. Replacing average with average doesnt improve the team, it just pushes the rebuild further. Other teams find a way to get top talent where we are wading in the water.

He’s done too much damage for too long. Now all of the sudden he understands building through the draft? This isn’t some kind of radical new NFL philosophy, building through the draft has been the known way to success for a very long time.

And as Schneier says, Getty’s problem is that he lacks patience. I’d argue that he is impulsive and arrogant as well, which I write not to disparage Getty but that these are the character flaws that lead to his mistakes. I don’t think Getty has changed and I don’t think the course of the Giants has either. It still all comes down to DJ and now, the Judge.

We don’t know how Judge or Jones will work out. If they are great - then that’s great and the future is bright. Getty will look good! But I don’t think the FA signings from the past days will mean much one way or another.

Martinez = Ogletree not Golden

In comment 14843806 Rudy5757 said:

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like a good plan to me. Bradberry was the prize of FA but he costs more than what we were paying Jenkins for a similar level player. I would have rather gone for Littleton and paid a little more than Martinez. Maybe he didnt want to come here but I read his price was too high, he only got $2 mil more a year than Martinez. Fackerell was a good signing but he replaces Golden. We had $80 mil and didnt improve the roster from last year. Fackerell = Golden LW = LW Martinez = Golden Toil?? TE = Ellison Bradberry = Jenkins A little younger but not better. None of these players seem to be the type to make others around them better. We also have major holes at C & RT on O and FS on D. Replacing average with average doesnt improve the team, it just pushes the rebuild further. Other teams find a way to get top talent where we are wading in the water.

Bradberry is approximately 5 years younger than Jenkins

In comment 14843779 christian said:

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I thought what he did in 2018 was deplorable. I hated every move he made and wasn't surprised nearly all of them failed. What's he's done the last 2 years has been much better. The only move I disagree with is Tate. That had some 2018 stink to it. I hope he avoids that this year.

Only bad move was Tate last year?

Christian - I have a few others:
- Bethea
- Forgot to get a NFL player at Center
- Zero foresight into future/development needs at Tackle
- Trading picks for LW in midseason

In comment 14843807 trueblueinpw said:

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He’s done too much damage for too long. Now all of the sudden he understands building through the draft? This isn’t some kind of radical new NFL philosophy, building through the draft has been the known way to success for a very long time. And as Schneier says, Getty’s problem is that he lacks patience. I’d argue that he is impulsive and arrogant as well, which I write not to disparage Getty but that these are the character flaws that lead to his mistakes. I don’t think Getty has changed and I don’t think the course of the Giants has either. It still all comes down to DJ and now, the Judge. We don’t know how Judge or Jones will work out. If they are great - then that’s great and the future is bright. Getty will look good! But I don’t think the FA signings from the past days will mean much one way or another.

I am aligned with this as well.

In comment 14843820 LBH15 said:

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In comment 14843779 christian said: Quote: I thought what he did in 2018 was deplorable. I hated every move he made and wasn't surprised nearly all of them failed. What's he's done the last 2 years has been much better. The only move I disagree with is Tate. That had some 2018 stink to it. I hope he avoids that this year. Only bad move was Tate last year? Christian - I have a few others: - Bethea - Forgot to get a NFL player at Center - Zero foresight into future/development needs at Tackle - Trading picks for LW in midseason

Trading 3 picks to trade up for Baker. Having already spent a 3rd rounder on Beal also investing more draft capital in Ballentine and Love at CB... (only to have to pay 16 million for Bradberry this year, cause none of those guys seem to realistically be able to develop into a CB1)

we've talked about this and I agree there's a lot that's similar to last year, but IMO these are the 2 strategic differences that are positive. Age is sort of obvious and we'd all agree that going for the youngest players in FA possible is a winning strategy. Kirwan suggested it at the combine and he was right.

the contract structure is something some of us kind of speculated on not wanting to go too crazy overspending all the cap room, and the way the market has turned out I think was a very shrewd move. Had more good players gotten to FA it may have made sense to do the traditional structure to accommodate someone like Justin Simmons or Ngakoue but they didn't get there. Signing bonuses for just Martinez and Bradberry could have probably saved enough cap room for 1 more big signing. And even more if they rushed to extend LW. But given the dearth of talent who got to FA, I think it was smart to not overextend.

Clowney is obviously still sitting out there and could still be in the cards, but if they wanted to they could have added all the same guys and just adjusted structure to the future to add him as well. I'm glad they didn't.

Mind you both of these comments are somewhat independent of which players they ultimately chose to sign. I can't say I 100% endorse who they chose - Littleton, Schobert, Conklin, and even Bulaga/Chris Harris were all potentially appealing at the contracts they received. But I'll give them the benefit of doubt since they have familiarity with most of the guys we've signed. I do think I'd prefer LW over DJ Reader, Hargrave, and the other more run oriented interior DL that made it to FA. Not sure he was worth the 3rd, but I do still like having him on a 1 year deal with the ability to recoup a pick by either trading him or letting him walk next year.

about nothing in the depth chart at OT. There were guys on the board last year that could have been gotten for OL instead of using up all those picks. Now we are desperate for this draft.

I don't think these are big upgrades but from a team perspective they are. Jenkins doesn't = Bradberry because Bradberry is a solid citizen and a physical player whereas Jenkins was always doing and saying odd things and he made "business decisions". Bradberry will be an upgrade especially in this system.

As for Fackrell=Golden, sure about the same type of player but Fackrell has a clean injury history and can set the edge, something Golden was putrid at.

Martinez...not a huge fan but he's an absolute upgrade over Ogletree for his effort and hustle alone. I don't know what happened to Tree, but the one we got was a neutered version of the guy he was with the Rams. He doesn't seem interested in playing the run or doing anything and if Martinez is one thing, it's a hard worker and an effort player.

I know the character thing gets poo pood around here, but look at the Pats as the example. With very few exceptions they value character and hard work and it's established a clear culture of keeping your head down and doing your job. I firmly believe that is what Judge wants, he's laying a foundation first and these 3 guys are absolutely typical of it. We need more talent everywhere, Marc Ross and Jerry Reese killed us with horrible drafts for about 3 years running so our cupboard is still pretty bare. These are the types of guys who will set good examples and be productive on the field. All 3 are productive players and not one is a trouble maker.

I see what Judge is doing and I like it, it's team building not star grabbing. It's his first year in charge, let's see how it plays out. As for DG, he's screwed the pooch plenty here but it looks like Judge has some weight in player acquisition now.

his thinking cap on today. Agree with your take. It's the little things.

history professor who drafted Simms #1 to boos and a lynch mob, everyone “trust in Reese”. So you add it up and conclude what exactly.

...he'd be glue.

Let that shit play out?

you make some decent points, but comparing to the Patriots should be outlawed on this board. The Patriots are one of the biggest statistical anomalies in sports history. A combination of the perfect coach/GM with the perfect QB. Trying to recreate something like that is trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

Many, many teams have failed to do what the Patriots do. Like... they don't even draft particularly well and they are still the best team ever. Hoe does that even happen?

In comment 14843897 Joey in VA said:

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I don't think these are big upgrades but from a team perspective they are. Jenkins doesn't = Bradberry because Bradberry is a solid citizen and a physical player whereas Jenkins was always doing and saying odd things and he made "business decisions". Bradberry will be an upgrade especially in this system. As for Fackrell=Golden, sure about the same type of player but Fackrell has a clean injury history and can set the edge, something Golden was putrid at. Martinez...not a huge fan but he's an absolute upgrade over Ogletree for his effort and hustle alone. I don't know what happened to Tree, but the one we got was a neutered version of the guy he was with the Rams. He doesn't seem interested in playing the run or doing anything and if Martinez is one thing, it's a hard worker and an effort player. I know the character thing gets poo pood around here, but look at the Pats as the example. With very few exceptions they value character and hard work and it's established a clear culture of keeping your head down and doing your job. I firmly believe that is what Judge wants, he's laying a foundation first and these 3 guys are absolutely typical of it. We need more talent everywhere, Marc Ross and Jerry Reese killed us with horrible drafts for about 3 years running so our cupboard is still pretty bare. These are the types of guys who will set good examples and be productive on the field. All 3 are productive players and not one is a trouble maker. I see what Judge is doing and I like it, it's team building not star grabbing. It's his first year in charge, let's see how it plays out. As for DG, he's screwed the pooch plenty here but it looks like Judge has some weight in player acquisition now.

+1

In comment 14843734 madeinstars said:

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If the plan is bad? I don't see how this should ease anybody's worries. Clearly Gettleman's plans in previous years haven't worked out. Clearly the plan from a team building perspective is still stopping the run first (Martinez, Williams, Mayo signings), something that hasn't been working for the Giants defense as a whole for Gettleman's entire tenure so far. Clearly the plan is still not going all out on putting together a great run blocking O-line. If the plan is for rookies to come in and fix this, how are they not "drafting for need"? Clearly there is still no room for coverage linebackers or safeties in this plan. An area in which the Giants have been abysmal for forever.

It’s the same plan and I thought it was obvious that they were rebuilding. They literally had to turnover nearly the entire roster. If you expected that done in two years, with an aging QB on the roster with no replacement in place, then your expectations were unrealistic.

Are there holes left? Absolutely, but this roster is dramatically better than the one Gettleman inherited from the disaster Reese/Ross left him.

really deserve the "character matters" mantra they get. That is a angle that gets thrown around a lot, but I don't buy it.

As a franchise in the Belichick era they have signed, drafted or trade for while knowing the history of baggage (at some level):

Aaron Hernandez
Albert Haynesworth
Chad Johnson (or Ochocinco)
Randy Moss
Aqib Talib
Donte Stallworth
LaGarette Blount
Jabar Gaffney
Brandon Meriweather
Josh Gordon
Brandon Spikes

off the top of my head.

even guys like the below I wouldn't call high character
Rodney Harrison
Gronk

Plus players like Brady and Edelman have been suspended, not mentioning the teams myriad of controversial cheating scandals.

I do believe character matters, but the Patriots aren't a great example.

In comment 14843925 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14843734 madeinstars said: Quote: If the plan is bad? I don't see how this should ease anybody's worries. Clearly Gettleman's plans in previous years haven't worked out. Clearly the plan from a team building perspective is still stopping the run first (Martinez, Williams, Mayo signings), something that hasn't been working for the Giants defense as a whole for Gettleman's entire tenure so far. Clearly the plan is still not going all out on putting together a great run blocking O-line. If the plan is for rookies to come in and fix this, how are they not "drafting for need"? Clearly there is still no room for coverage linebackers or safeties in this plan. An area in which the Giants have been abysmal for forever. It’s the same plan and I thought it was obvious that they were rebuilding. They literally had to turnover nearly the entire roster. If you expected that done in two years, with an aging QB on the roster with no replacement in place, then your expectations were unrealistic. Are there holes left? Absolutely, but this roster is dramatically better than the one Gettleman inherited from the disaster Reese/Ross left him.

Ask yourself this: Gettleman's self proclaimed philosophy when he started was: run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer, protect the QB.

Whether or not you agree with that philosophy in today's NFL aside, in two years time he managed to really only sort of accomplish one of those things: stopping the run. And the team he inherited (with Harrison, JPP and Vernon) was already pretty good at that.

After two years of rebuilding, there should be some semblance of improvement, no matter how bad the team you started with.

In comment 14843940 pjcas18 said:

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really deserve the "character matters" mantra they get. That is a angle that gets thrown around a lot, but I don't buy it. As a franchise in the Belichick era they have signed, drafted or trade for while knowing the history of baggage (at some level): Aaron Hernandez Albert Haynesworth Chad Johnson (or Ochocinco) Randy Moss Aqib Talib Donte Stallworth LaGarette Blount Jabar Gaffney Brandon Meriweather Josh Gordon Brandon Spikes off the top of my head. even guys like the below I wouldn't call high character Rodney Harrison Gronk Plus players like Brady and Edelman have been suspended, not mentioning the teams myriad of controversial cheating scandals. I do believe character matters, but the Patriots aren't a great example.

Good post. This is one of the great myths about the Pats. What they actually try to do is bring in the problem player and hope they can reset him into the culture per BB and Brady.

What they are actually great at is cutting bait.

players on the offense. That should be at the top of whatever this best new plan since 2008 is...

Until that is solved, hard to embrace this best new plan since 2008.

In comment 14843810 Rudy5757 said:

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Martinez = Ogletree not Golden

Martinez seems to have a better IQ from the limited film I have went over thus far.

to Wirfs, the more he seems like a guy this new regime would like. I think he's absolutely in play at #4 or especially a trade back

The plan didn't work, for a number of reasons - some of which were flaws in the plan, and some of which were just bad luck:

1) The entire offensive line - among the best in the League - fell apart prematurely over the course of two years, from mid-2009 to early 2011. None of the replacements, particularly Baas and Beatty, was productive for more than a year or two.

2) The rebuilt, post-Plax receiving corps was decimated by career-ending injuries, plus a few flat-out bad third-round picks.

3) The centerpiece of the plan for the secondary, Kenny Phillips, suffered a debilitating knee injury in his second year, and was never close to the same player.

4) The projection of David Wilson as Tiki Barber II was probably delusional, but he could have at least been a useful change-of-pace weapon if his spine had held up.

I can't really defend what happened to the front seven after Pierce, Tuck, Osi and Canty started to wear down. Jason Pierre-Paul came into the League with Hall of Fame talent and the mind of a child. Mike Boley was a very good player when he felt like it, but also an unreliable, world-class @$$hole. The routine of drafting a good DT in the second round every other year and then letting him walk worked fine until the quality of the draftees dropped.

on point as usual.

Not superstars, but players on the rise who figured in Reese's roadmap when they tore up their knees.

In comment 14843917 madeinstars said:

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you make some decent points, but comparing to the Patriots should be outlawed on this board. The Patriots are one of the biggest statistical anomalies in sports history. A combination of the perfect coach/GM with the perfect QB. Trying to recreate something like that is trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Many, many teams have failed to do what the Patriots do. Like... they don't even draft particularly well and they are still the best team ever. Hoe does that even happen?

He's comparing 1 facet of the Patriots, he isn't saying we are going to copy everything they do.

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People tried to sell this fan base that Gettleman had a plan in year 1: Retooling and one more run with Eli. And then he allegedly had a plan in year 2: Winning while rebuilding. Why should we believe this supposed plan will work out any better than the previous two?

Why should we believe it won't?

Who are your two most valuable assets is the way to go
With that said

LT
C
WR
Should be the first three picks

Becton
Ruiz
Golden or Claypool or Pittman

Rest of draft picks can address the defense

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In comment 14843717 madeinstars said: Quote: People tried to sell this fan base that Gettleman had a plan in year 1: Retooling and one more run with Eli. And then he allegedly had a plan in year 2: Winning while rebuilding. Why should we believe this supposed plan will work out any better than the previous two? Why should we believe it won't?

Because the first two years we won a total of 9 games?

In comment 14843820 LBH15 said:

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Only bad move was Tate last year? Christian - I have a few others: - Bethea - Forgot to get a NFL player at Center - Zero foresight into future/development needs at Tackle - Trading picks for LW in midseason

I'm addressing moves in UFA, not over all.

I didn't hate the Bethea acquisition, it was low cost and low risk. I hated the decision to keep playing him when it was clear he belonged in Boca.

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Are there holes left? Absolutely, but this roster is dramatically better than the one Gettleman inherited from the disaster Reese/Ross left him.

Yeah, we went from 3-13 to 4-12

However, the Bethea thing was awful. It doesn't matter if its low cost...he couldn't play.

And if it takes until live bullets come out in Sept then that's a joke of an evaluation. Especially, with such a young secondary to handle and develop.

From me so far. Talent is very low, we needed many players. I like the positions he filled. I really like contracts as constructed. If he can sign Williams for 12-13 million per, front loaded for this year, I will post a video of my fat fucking ass doing a cart wheel.

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However, the Bethea thing was awful. It doesn't matter if its low cost...he couldn't play. And if it takes until live bullets come out in Sept then that's a joke of an evaluation. Especially, with such a young secondary to handle and develop.

He looked shot to me from game one. I was surprised he wasn't benched very early.

I can't imagine he looked good enough in camp that the staff thought he could make it.

In comment 14843917 madeinstars said:

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you make some decent points, but comparing to the Patriots should be outlawed on this board. The Patriots are one of the biggest statistical anomalies in sports history. A combination of the perfect coach/GM with the perfect QB. Trying to recreate something like that is trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Many, many teams have failed to do what the Patriots do. Like... they don't even draft particularly well and they are still the best team ever. Hoe does that even happen?

I get that, I totally do and I think Judge even said as much in his PC, he's doing it his way with things he's learned along the way. I have a firm belief that teams with systems that draft players who fit certain athletic profiles that fit said system are the most successful. Changing offenses and defenses year in and year out is you end up as bad as we have been. The organization needs a blueprint. See Pittsburgh for instance, they lose Ben R., trade away Antonio Brown and let LeVeon Bell walk and they were still actually in the playoff hunt last year precisely because they have a system. They have been a 3-4 team forever with an emphasis on blitzing and stopping the run combined with a pro style offense built on a big run blocking OL. They've been that way for decades and have a lot of rings to show for it.

I think the Pats example is an example for any sport, any team or any organization. Have a philosophy and only keep those around who buy in and get with the plan, outliers can leave and poison other places. If everyone is rowing in the same direction you get where you want faster. I just think that is what Judge is doing. Good discussion all around on this. Maybe COVID-19 is making people more patient?

Joey.

Hope you are well

...and the edge.

Could be that they are wondering if they need to spend on Golden with Fackrell, Ximines & Carter on the team...
...if the Giants are planning on adding an edge player in the draft.

guys who are lower character but generally not low effort, though there are a few exceptions like Haynesworth. Sometimes it works out (Dillon, Moss) and sometimes it doesn't (AB, Ochocinco). As others said 1 of their best qualities is moving on from the guys who don't work out pretty quickly. Haynesworth didn't even last 6 months.

But if you go back to what built and established the bedrock of their organization in Belichek offseason 2 (prior to the first SB) it was a lot of low/mid ticket, hard working, blue collar players. And the break out of Tom Brady who became the captain of that ethos.

That group had holdovers from previous Parcells era like Teddy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Willie McGinnest, and Troy Brown, then via FA added Andruzzi, Vrabel, Antowain Smith, Roman Phifer, Larry Izzo, and a bunch of others, and then hit the first 2 picks of that year's draft out of the park with Seymour and Matt Light. And then continued those trends forward adding guys like Rodney Harrison, Mankins, Welker, Gronk, Colvin, Ted Washington etc.

Not always squeaky clean poster boys, but a very high percentage of hard workers and toughness. And as soon as someone didn't buy in completely they got rid of them.

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James Bradberry, CB, Giants 3 years, $43,500,000, $31,000,000 total guarantees ($29,800,000 full) I'm not a big fan of the phrase win-win when it comes to contracts because it has become so overused, but I do think that it applies to this contract. I feel as if both sides wound up protected here with Bradberry getting a guaranteed figure on par with the highest paid players not names Byron Jones but only has to sign over three years to get that. The Giants get far superior cash considerations up front and continued to set a new standard for no bonus money to maintain flexibility beyond the guaranteed portion of the deal. This could be a future model for contracts as players seek shorter terms. Grade: B+ Blake Martinez, ILB, Giants 3 years, $30,750,000, $19,000,000 total guarantees ($19,000,000 full) Martinez fits that Gettleman mold of the stat heavy thumper on the inside which is probably why they opted to sign him. I think the question here becomes whether or not this was a better option than Cory Littleton who has a wider skillset. The Raiders got better or equivalent overall terms on that deal even though the price tag looks much higher. As long as Martinez is effective for three years it pays off. First year payment is reasonable and I like that the Giants are moving away from their errors of the past with the big bonus structures. Grade: C+

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Probably was mentioned before I didn’t look. Maybe part of the “plan” is not blowing the load this year with the cap going up next year. Plus with the CBA going right up to league year. Handcuffing himself to LW didn’t help either with signing any “big ticket” players.

The Pats benefit from a circular credibility. They win because players buy into Belichick, they buy in because Belichick wins.

I don't buy they have some magical hard working archetype player. The vast majority of pro athletes work really hard. Belichick has a really high batting average with the typical NFL player. He's got a decent batting average with knucklehead NFL players.

Average head coaches have average batting averages with typical players, and bad batting averages with knuckleheads.

Belichick is like most incredibly successful people. He's a master tactician and master craftsman of the human condition and what currency individuals need to be paid to succeed.

If there's one thing you can bet on in all of sports that shifts the odds, the better coach in the NFL will likely win.

Judge isn't going to succeed bringing in "Patriot Type" guys. He's going to succeed if he's similar to Belichick.

Of the cast of characters who've parlayed assisting Belichick into a HC gig, Judge seems the most like Little Bill to me.

but he's reaching big time right now and contradicting himself.

Isn't the model to get a QB on their rookie deal and build a stacked team around him? The Chiefs are stacked around Mahomes and he's in the Super Bowl year 2. What happens to that team when they have to pay him?

The time is now for the Giants to be good around Jones (and Barkley). What are they waiting for? Get some talented Edge Rushers, a C and a legit NFL MLB and FS and you've got a far different team.

But no, instead everyone's too expensive (even though you can easily find a way to make it all work) or we continue stock-piling CBs. And we sign a JAG MLB instead of acquiring a good one. The excuses for this team are getting old. I am hopeful we are in a new day but this roster still looks like a joke especially on the defensive side.

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Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL) 3/19/20, 7:43 PM The plan doesn’t involve...trading picks for upgrades (Slay) because it acknowledges this team isn’t one or two big contracts away from winning. Why tie up the future now when they are not just one offseason away from a championship run?

Isn't that exactly what they did when they traded for Leonard Williams, traded two picks for an upgrade of B.J. Hill?

Well, I guess that was done before Ol' Dave came up with his new Master Plan.

...It’s possible judge agreed to take the job based on either having some power or a mutual agreement and how to approach building the team.

Either way I’m giving the entire organization reset a fresh start and an opportunity.

At the end of the day you can get excited about the team that you get excited about her you can whine like a little bitch.
No disrespect to present company~

I'm sorry if pointing out the many mistakes this team has made in the past (particularly mistakes that they're likely to repeat in the future) offends your delicate sensibilities.

I realize that some folks can't deal with anything negative, preferring to retreat to safe spaces, complete with with coloring books and other diversions (puppies, if they're lucky).

I understand that it's easy to be a Pollyanna where the Giants are concerned, simply ignoring the past, trusting in a GM that has done little or nothing to earn that trust.

I get that giving the team a "reset" is nice. It really must be. This is like the the fourth reset in six years.

For me, though, I'll get excited about the team when there's actually something to get excited about, thank you very much.

In comment 14844737 mittenedman said:

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but he's reaching big time right now and contradicting himself. Isn't the model to get a QB on their rookie deal and build a stacked team around him? The Chiefs are stacked around Mahomes and he's in the Super Bowl year 2. What happens to that team when they have to pay him? The time is now for the Giants to be good around Jones (and Barkley). What are they waiting for? Get some talented Edge Rushers, a C and a legit NFL MLB and FS and you've got a far different team. But no, instead everyone's too expensive (even though you can easily find a way to make it all work) or we continue stock-piling CBs. And we sign a JAG MLB instead of acquiring a good one. The excuses for this team are getting old. I am hopeful we are in a new day but this roster still looks like a joke especially on the defensive side.

You seem to be missing an important part of your view. Perhaps certain things that you describe as simple aren't so simple? Maybe there is other information that is integral that you aren't aware of.