Schneier: For the first time since ‘08, they have a plan

Who are your two most valuable assets is the way to go
With that said

LT
C
WR
Should be the first three picks

Becton
Ruiz
Golden or Claypool or Pittman

Rest of draft picks can address the defense

In comment 14844029 BMac said:

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In comment 14843717 madeinstars said: Quote: People tried to sell this fan base that Gettleman had a plan in year 1: Retooling and one more run with Eli. And then he allegedly had a plan in year 2: Winning while rebuilding. Why should we believe this supposed plan will work out any better than the previous two? Why should we believe it won't?

Because the first two years we won a total of 9 games?

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Only bad move was Tate last year? Christian - I have a few others: - Bethea - Forgot to get a NFL player at Center - Zero foresight into future/development needs at Tackle - Trading picks for LW in midseason

I'm addressing moves in UFA, not over all.

I didn't hate the Bethea acquisition, it was low cost and low risk. I hated the decision to keep playing him when it was clear he belonged in Boca.

In comment 14843925 Jay on the Island said:

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Are there holes left? Absolutely, but this roster is dramatically better than the one Gettleman inherited from the disaster Reese/Ross left him.

Yeah, we went from 3-13 to 4-12

However, the Bethea thing was awful. It doesn't matter if its low cost...he couldn't play.

And if it takes until live bullets come out in Sept then that's a joke of an evaluation. Especially, with such a young secondary to handle and develop.

From me so far. Talent is very low, we needed many players. I like the positions he filled. I really like contracts as constructed. If he can sign Williams for 12-13 million per, front loaded for this year, I will post a video of my fat fucking ass doing a cart wheel.

In comment 14844125 LBH15 said:

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However, the Bethea thing was awful. It doesn't matter if its low cost...he couldn't play. And if it takes until live bullets come out in Sept then that's a joke of an evaluation. Especially, with such a young secondary to handle and develop.

He looked shot to me from game one. I was surprised he wasn't benched very early.

I can't imagine he looked good enough in camp that the staff thought he could make it.

In comment 14843917 madeinstars said:

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you make some decent points, but comparing to the Patriots should be outlawed on this board. The Patriots are one of the biggest statistical anomalies in sports history. A combination of the perfect coach/GM with the perfect QB. Trying to recreate something like that is trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Many, many teams have failed to do what the Patriots do. Like... they don't even draft particularly well and they are still the best team ever. Hoe does that even happen?

I get that, I totally do and I think Judge even said as much in his PC, he's doing it his way with things he's learned along the way. I have a firm belief that teams with systems that draft players who fit certain athletic profiles that fit said system are the most successful. Changing offenses and defenses year in and year out is you end up as bad as we have been. The organization needs a blueprint. See Pittsburgh for instance, they lose Ben R., trade away Antonio Brown and let LeVeon Bell walk and they were still actually in the playoff hunt last year precisely because they have a system. They have been a 3-4 team forever with an emphasis on blitzing and stopping the run combined with a pro style offense built on a big run blocking OL. They've been that way for decades and have a lot of rings to show for it.

I think the Pats example is an example for any sport, any team or any organization. Have a philosophy and only keep those around who buy in and get with the plan, outliers can leave and poison other places. If everyone is rowing in the same direction you get where you want faster. I just think that is what Judge is doing. Good discussion all around on this. Maybe COVID-19 is making people more patient?

Joey.

Hope you are well

...and the edge.

Could be that they are wondering if they need to spend on Golden with Fackrell, Ximines & Carter on the team...
...if the Giants are planning on adding an edge player in the draft.

guys who are lower character but generally not low effort, though there are a few exceptions like Haynesworth. Sometimes it works out (Dillon, Moss) and sometimes it doesn't (AB, Ochocinco). As others said 1 of their best qualities is moving on from the guys who don't work out pretty quickly. Haynesworth didn't even last 6 months.

But if you go back to what built and established the bedrock of their organization in Belichek offseason 2 (prior to the first SB) it was a lot of low/mid ticket, hard working, blue collar players. And the break out of Tom Brady who became the captain of that ethos.

That group had holdovers from previous Parcells era like Teddy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Willie McGinnest, and Troy Brown, then via FA added Andruzzi, Vrabel, Antowain Smith, Roman Phifer, Larry Izzo, and a bunch of others, and then hit the first 2 picks of that year's draft out of the park with Seymour and Matt Light. And then continued those trends forward adding guys like Rodney Harrison, Mankins, Welker, Gronk, Colvin, Ted Washington etc.

Not always squeaky clean poster boys, but a very high percentage of hard workers and toughness. And as soon as someone didn't buy in completely they got rid of them.

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James Bradberry, CB, Giants 3 years, $43,500,000, $31,000,000 total guarantees ($29,800,000 full) I'm not a big fan of the phrase win-win when it comes to contracts because it has become so overused, but I do think that it applies to this contract. I feel as if both sides wound up protected here with Bradberry getting a guaranteed figure on par with the highest paid players not names Byron Jones but only has to sign over three years to get that. The Giants get far superior cash considerations up front and continued to set a new standard for no bonus money to maintain flexibility beyond the guaranteed portion of the deal. This could be a future model for contracts as players seek shorter terms. Grade: B+ Blake Martinez, ILB, Giants 3 years, $30,750,000, $19,000,000 total guarantees ($19,000,000 full) Martinez fits that Gettleman mold of the stat heavy thumper on the inside which is probably why they opted to sign him. I think the question here becomes whether or not this was a better option than Cory Littleton who has a wider skillset. The Raiders got better or equivalent overall terms on that deal even though the price tag looks much higher. As long as Martinez is effective for three years it pays off. First year payment is reasonable and I like that the Giants are moving away from their errors of the past with the big bonus structures. Grade: C+

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Probably was mentioned before I didn’t look. Maybe part of the “plan” is not blowing the load this year with the cap going up next year. Plus with the CBA going right up to league year. Handcuffing himself to LW didn’t help either with signing any “big ticket” players.

The Pats benefit from a circular credibility. They win because players buy into Belichick, they buy in because Belichick wins.

I don't buy they have some magical hard working archetype player. The vast majority of pro athletes work really hard. Belichick has a really high batting average with the typical NFL player. He's got a decent batting average with knucklehead NFL players.

Average head coaches have average batting averages with typical players, and bad batting averages with knuckleheads.

Belichick is like most incredibly successful people. He's a master tactician and master craftsman of the human condition and what currency individuals need to be paid to succeed.

If there's one thing you can bet on in all of sports that shifts the odds, the better coach in the NFL will likely win.

Judge isn't going to succeed bringing in "Patriot Type" guys. He's going to succeed if he's similar to Belichick.

Of the cast of characters who've parlayed assisting Belichick into a HC gig, Judge seems the most like Little Bill to me.

but he's reaching big time right now and contradicting himself.

Isn't the model to get a QB on their rookie deal and build a stacked team around him? The Chiefs are stacked around Mahomes and he's in the Super Bowl year 2. What happens to that team when they have to pay him?

The time is now for the Giants to be good around Jones (and Barkley). What are they waiting for? Get some talented Edge Rushers, a C and a legit NFL MLB and FS and you've got a far different team.

But no, instead everyone's too expensive (even though you can easily find a way to make it all work) or we continue stock-piling CBs. And we sign a JAG MLB instead of acquiring a good one. The excuses for this team are getting old. I am hopeful we are in a new day but this roster still looks like a joke especially on the defensive side.

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Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL) 3/19/20, 7:43 PM The plan doesn’t involve...trading picks for upgrades (Slay) because it acknowledges this team isn’t one or two big contracts away from winning. Why tie up the future now when they are not just one offseason away from a championship run?

Isn't that exactly what they did when they traded for Leonard Williams, traded two picks for an upgrade of B.J. Hill?

Well, I guess that was done before Ol' Dave came up with his new Master Plan.

...It’s possible judge agreed to take the job based on either having some power or a mutual agreement and how to approach building the team.

Either way I’m giving the entire organization reset a fresh start and an opportunity.

At the end of the day you can get excited about the team that you get excited about her you can whine like a little bitch.
No disrespect to present company~

I'm sorry if pointing out the many mistakes this team has made in the past (particularly mistakes that they're likely to repeat in the future) offends your delicate sensibilities.

I realize that some folks can't deal with anything negative, preferring to retreat to safe spaces, complete with with coloring books and other diversions (puppies, if they're lucky).

I understand that it's easy to be a Pollyanna where the Giants are concerned, simply ignoring the past, trusting in a GM that has done little or nothing to earn that trust.

I get that giving the team a "reset" is nice. It really must be. This is like the the fourth reset in six years.

For me, though, I'll get excited about the team when there's actually something to get excited about, thank you very much.

In comment 14844737 mittenedman said:

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but he's reaching big time right now and contradicting himself. Isn't the model to get a QB on their rookie deal and build a stacked team around him? The Chiefs are stacked around Mahomes and he's in the Super Bowl year 2. What happens to that team when they have to pay him? The time is now for the Giants to be good around Jones (and Barkley). What are they waiting for? Get some talented Edge Rushers, a C and a legit NFL MLB and FS and you've got a far different team. But no, instead everyone's too expensive (even though you can easily find a way to make it all work) or we continue stock-piling CBs. And we sign a JAG MLB instead of acquiring a good one. The excuses for this team are getting old. I am hopeful we are in a new day but this roster still looks like a joke especially on the defensive side.

You seem to be missing an important part of your view. Perhaps certain things that you describe as simple aren't so simple? Maybe there is other information that is integral that you aren't aware of.