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GFAN52 : 3/21/2020 12:45 pm
The Giants trade their #4 pick to the Raiders for their #12 pick (Jedrick Wills) and their #19 pick (K’Lavon Chaisson (DE/OLB, LSU).
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i would be all for that  
uther99 : 3/21/2020 12:47 pm : link
but he has Wills going after Wirfs, Thomas and Becton. That seems unlikely
That would be a homerun if true but no way does Wills  
robbieballs2003 : 3/21/2020 12:47 pm : link
Last that long.
I would be all over that  
The_Boss : 3/21/2020 12:48 pm : link
That’s some solid GM’ing if Dave can pull something like that off.
RE: i would be all for that  
GFAN52 : 3/21/2020 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14844959 uther99 said:
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but he has Wills going after Wirfs, Thomas and Becton. That seems unlikely


Agreed, but there should still be a good OT prospect there at #12 who you could start at RT.
This also doesn't make sense to me.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/21/2020 12:50 pm : link
Maybe Mayock changes thing but Gruden sucks with rookie QBs if that is what he is trading up for. He has always done better with vets he can rely upon. They also just signed Mariota. Yes, Mariota is not going to stop them from drafting a QB but how does a rookie QB fit with Carr and Mariota? They'd have to move one of them and right now there is probably no market for either in terms of getting back anything substantial.
I think the Giants go OT as well  
Simms2McConkey : 3/21/2020 1:03 pm : link
However, I can't see Oakland trading up for a QB with the Mariota signing. Oakland would be smart to stand pat at 12 and take the best WR available.

The most plausible trade-down scenario to me is moving to 6 and grabbing an extra second-rounder from the Chargers. And then the Giants pick their best OT at 6 and double dip on defense in the beginning of the 2nd round.
RE: This also doesn't make sense to me.  
Chocco : 3/21/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14844966 robbieballs2003 said:
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Maybe Mayock changes thing but Gruden sucks with rookie QBs if that is what he is trading up for. He has always done better with vets he can rely upon. They also just signed Mariota. Yes, Mariota is not going to stop them from drafting a QB but how does a rookie QB fit with Carr and Mariota? They'd have to move one of them and right now there is probably no market for either in terms of getting back anything substantial.


Trade Carr to the Pats?
RE: RE: This also doesn't make sense to me.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/21/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14845010 Chocco said:
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In comment 14844966 robbieballs2003 said:


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Maybe Mayock changes thing but Gruden sucks with rookie QBs if that is what he is trading up for. He has always done better with vets he can rely upon. They also just signed Mariota. Yes, Mariota is not going to stop them from drafting a QB but how does a rookie QB fit with Carr and Mariota? They'd have to move one of them and right now there is probably no market for either in terms of getting back anything substantial.



Trade Carr to the Pats?


Possibly but NE is always frugal with their contracts. How does Carr's contract look after a trade?
Wills  
PaulN : 3/21/2020 1:25 pm : link
Could be there at 11, but one of the top guys will be, this is the kind of move we all would love to see, but the leopard never changes its spots, and I can already hear the this player was the one we couldn't move off our spot for. Don't count on him trading back. When you never did it and you are as paranoid as him, its not happening. He has had plenty of opportunity I am sure, he just has a stron conviction about his board, and an owner who wants to know what player you are getting if you trade back. So the chances are slim to none.
Raiders would have to add more  
Nine-Tails : 3/21/2020 1:37 pm : link
Like a 3rd rder and another mid round pick. Don't see Gettleman trading away a pick of any of the top olineman to hoping one drops to twelve
I agree 4 QBs in the top 6 but not the Raiders ...  
Spider56 : 3/21/2020 1:39 pm : link
Burrows at 1 to the Bengals
Young at 2 to the Skins
then
Tua to either Miami or Jax (or Detroit)
Herbert to the loser of the Tua sweepstakes
Love to the LAC at 6

The Giants play is determined by what Detroit does.
That would be awesome  
Jay on the Island : 3/21/2020 1:42 pm : link
But I think the Raiders are content with their QB’s. They will likely evaluate Mariota and hope that he has a Tannehill type of rebirth this season. If not they will likely focus on the top QB’s next year.

Remember that Mike Mayock had Mariota as his top QB prospect in that years draft. I would love to see them trade up with us but I don’t see it happening. I don’t think that Gettleman will trade down that far. Also they would need to include another pick more likely a 2nd or 3rd in 2021.
Would love this except Id take Murray  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 3/21/2020 1:42 pm : link
I keep reading chaisson's motor is inconsistent.
That mock illustrates why #12 is too far.  
Torrag : 3/21/2020 1:45 pm : link
We got the last OT. What are the odds we really like all four? Or the one we don't like would be the last one available. Too risky.

I've said all along Jax at #9 is as far back as I'd go. I've also felt all along the most likely spots for us are #6 and #9.
RE: That mock illustrates why #12 is too far.  
Spider56 : 3/21/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14845056 Torrag said:
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We got the last OT. What are the odds we really like all four? Or the one we don't like would be the last one available. Too risky.

I've said all along Jax at #9 is as far back as I'd go. I've also felt all along the most likely spots for us are #6 and #9.


I agree ... the top 9 include 4 QBs, Simmons, Okudah, Brown and 2 of the tackles ... then somebody is going to get a vg WR at 10.
RE: That mock illustrates why #12 is too far.  
Klaatu : 3/21/2020 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14845056 Torrag said:
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We got the last OT. What are the odds we really like all four? Or the one we don't like would be the last one available. Too risky.

I've said all along Jax at #9 is as far back as I'd go. I've also felt all along the most likely spots for us are #6 and #9.


Agreed.
RE: RE: That mock illustrates why #12 is too far.  
LBH15 : 3/21/2020 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14845090 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14845056 Torrag said:


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We got the last OT. What are the odds we really like all four? Or the one we don't like would be the last one available. Too risky.

I've said all along Jax at #9 is as far back as I'd go. I've also felt all along the most likely spots for us are #6 and #9.



Agreed.


I think I would still do it though. Add in their 3rd to make up for chucklehead's LW deal.
Agreed....dropping to 12 is too far  
George from PA : 3/21/2020 2:20 pm : link
But like the publicity.

As Miami and Chargers must think we are willing to do so......
RE: Wills  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/21/2020 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14845027 PaulN said:
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Could be there at 11, but one of the top guys will be, this is the kind of move we all would love to see, but the leopard never changes its spots, and I can already hear the this player was the one we couldn't move off our spot for. Don't count on him trading back. When you never did it and you are as paranoid as him, its not happening. He has had plenty of opportunity I am sure, he just has a stron conviction about his board, and an owner who wants to know what player you are getting if you trade back. So the chances are slim to none.


Listen to what DG said at the combine PC. He specifically sited if we trade down too far to 8 (which happens to be right after the 3 QB needy teams) we may not get the top tier guys we want.

Very unlikely we are trading down to 12
I  
AcidTest : 3/21/2020 2:30 pm : link
don't see the Giants trading down that far, and even if they did, would want at least another third to do so. I also don't see Wills lasting to #12. A small trade down is probably all we can expect. We'd be very lucky to get a #2 from San Diego.
I'm hoping we come out with at least 1 of Simmons or Wills. Trading  
Ira : 3/21/2020 2:31 pm : link
down that far makes this impossible.
Dropping to 12 is way to far.  
Giant John : 3/21/2020 3:11 pm : link
7 is as low as I would go and I’d want a ransom for that.
I can see a trade down.  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/21/2020 3:11 pm : link
but not with the Raiders. Good chance all 4 of the OL are gone before 12 tbh
RE: I would be all over that  
GMen72 : 3/21/2020 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14844963 The_Boss said:
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That’s some solid GM’ing if Dave can pull something like that off.


Think you just answered the question of whether this will happen. Pipe dream!
That would be a great trade  
jeff57 : 3/21/2020 5:12 pm : link
Too bad it’ll never happen.
Dont get  
XBRONX : 3/21/2020 5:23 pm : link
the big deal with Chaisson. One year with 6.5 sacks 3.5 coming in two games.
RE: Dont get  
Rjanyg : 3/21/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14845251 XBRONX said:
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the big deal with Chaisson. One year with 6.5 sacks 3.5 coming in two games.


He is really good. You have to watch the type of twitch and speed he plays with. Plus he is physical.

Chaisson will be a great pro. You have to get past the lack of sacks, he is a complete OLB
clickbait  
BigBlueCane : 3/21/2020 10:42 pm : link
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RE: I think the Giants go OT as well  
since1925 : 3/22/2020 9:59 am : link
In comment 14844985 Simms2McConkey said:
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However, I can't see Oakland trading up for a QB with the Mariota signing. Oakland would be smart to stand pat at 12 and take the best WR available.

The most plausible trade-down scenario to me is moving to 6 and grabbing an extra second-rounder from the Chargers. And then the Giants pick their best OT at 6 and double dip on defense in the beginning of the 2nd round.


Mariota couldn't make it work with Super Bowl talent around him. He is a change up QB. A guy who comes in and adds a dimension at QB. Maybe wins a game for you. If they don't believe in in Carr....
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