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Let's not Roast Gettleman

Captplanet : 3/23/2020 11:26 am
If he is unable to trade back in the draft.

There needs to be a team willing to trade up to 4 in order for him to trade back.
Unfortunately with the coronavirus halting travel and personal work outs, I think players like Tua, Herbert and Jordan Love may not have an opportunity to impress enough people in the draft. Their draft status may be locked in place.

If Miami is able to trade with Washington or Detroit and able to draft Tua, is a team willing to move up in the draft to take Herbert or Love based on thier tape and with out ever meeting them? Or even attending their Pro-day?

The draft is going to be interesting. A lot of teams will go into the process with a lot less information than they are use to having.

I’ll be fine with whomever  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2020 11:33 am : link
Judge/DG peg at 4, if they don’t get what they would want in a trade down
I think the big name players like Tua and Herbert  
Chip : 3/23/2020 11:35 am : link
are very well known. The kids that are capable of playing in the NFL from the FCS schools and the smaller conferences will be affected the most. There is plenty of film around of games through out college will help the scouts.
Herbert was at one point  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/23/2020 11:35 am : link
The top QB for the 2020 class wasn't he?
he will be judged on his overall performance  
MM_in_NYC : 3/23/2020 11:38 am : link
and people's satisfaction with the outcome.

he may get roasted if the 5th pick gets traded for a combination people would have been happy with at 4.

i personally dislike the expression that you can't be disappointed about not trading down because you need a trade partner. it strikes me as a truism. one gm said it one day and then everyone started repeating it like it was the perfect comeback anytime anyone mentioned they'd look to trade down. there's always a market of teams looking to trade and teams looking to trade down. a gm's job is to navigate that market. it's not a matter of it being easy or not.
Its had always been Tua but Burrow had an unbelievable year  
Chip : 3/23/2020 11:39 am : link
and has passed him on a lot of draft boards. Then Herbert was next who I like.
I think the Giants have limited maneuvering room  
Reb8thVA : 3/23/2020 11:42 am : link
to negotiate a trade.

1.) Detroit is in the catbird seat. Teams looking to draft Tua will be looking to the Lions not the Giants for a trade. Should the Lions make the pick and not select Tua then that is advantageous to the Giants.

2.) if the Giants goal is to pick one of the top 4 OTs available they probably cannot move lower than the 9 or 10 slot without putting that objective at risk.
The Panthers, Jets, Cardinals , and Browns all have very glaring OT needs.
Forget what we think of these players,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2020 11:43 am : link
but Snyder might actually want Newton or Jameis on the team. Would anyone be surprised?
RE: he will be judged on his overall performance  
Burtman : 3/23/2020 11:45 am : link
In comment 14846893 MM_in_NYC said:
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and people's satisfaction with the outcome.

he may get roasted if the 5th pick gets traded for a combination people would have been happy with at 4.

i personally dislike the expression that you can't be disappointed about not trading down because you need a trade partner... there's always a market of teams looking to trade and teams looking to trade down. a gm's job is to navigate that market. it's not a matter of it being easy or not.


I can see your point but all I ever see from fans is the concern about that year's draft. A GM has to see across multiple drafts. Just because fans may be happy with what a following team was able to get doesn't mean what that team got was the value needed for the original's team's spot.

Dave Gettleman can't settle for less or he will always be expected to settle for less in future years.
Tua is an exception but the other QBs are well known and well scouted.  
Ivan15 : 3/23/2020 11:45 am : link
I think MIAMI backed off a bit on Tua after his injury and may take a chance by not trading up. But I think they will still take him.

This will be a test of who has the best scouting department for Day 2 and Day 3.
I agree  
PaulN : 3/23/2020 11:52 am : link
I believe for the first time in 4 or 5 years everyone is on the same page, and I believe Judge and Gettleman will prove to make a good combination to building the team. At my age I hope it isn't too long, I am hoping for a .500 season with some young players stepping up, and I am hoping to add 2 pieces of that line in this draft and a wideout to strech the defense, if we do that, I will be thrilled.
I am fairly certain Gettleman will do something  
LBH15 : 3/23/2020 11:58 am : link
to get himself roasted besides not trading back.
there's more than a few QB needy teams directly behind us  
GiantsLaw : 3/23/2020 12:02 pm : link
IMHO I will be disappoint if we can't find a trade partner.
Who is QBing the Chargers? Jacksonville?  
George from PA : 3/23/2020 12:09 pm : link
Miami and Carolina even...

The QB market should remain hot
RE: Herbert was at one point  
Captplanet : 3/23/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14846890 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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The top QB for the 2020 class wasn't he?


He was before the season started, but he had a decent 2019. Not great.
Tua was always the top QB in this draft, until his injury. In fact, if he did not get hurt and Burrows still had the year that he had, we would be talking about Tua going #1 and which team will trade up to 2 for Burrows.
Herbert had his pro-day  
Dave on the UWS : 3/23/2020 12:12 pm : link
the last day they were allowed (and by all accounts impressed). I think there is a decent chance both the Lions and Giants will end up trading out. There are a number of players who should end up on the same row for NY. Okudah, Simmons, Wirf, Wills, Brown probably all end up on the same row. That would mean they could trade down to 8 or 9 if need be. Securing more early picks would help a lot.
Jordan Love doesn't help  
rasbutant : 3/23/2020 12:13 pm : link
Teams might be willing to stay put and let him fall to them.
RE: Forget what we think of these players,  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/23/2020 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14846901 Big Blue '56 said:
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but Snyder might actually want Newton or Jameis on the team. Would anyone be surprised?

Snyder is the gift that keeps on giving, God bless this man to a long and healthy life of ownership of the Redskins.
RE: I am fairly certain Gettleman will do something  
EricJ : 3/23/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14846921 LBH15 said:
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to get himself roasted besides not trading back.


like making a solid pick with our first choice like he did the last two seasons?
I would hope that some people  
TrueBlue56 : 3/23/2020 12:24 pm : link
Will have learned their lesson last year. Gettleman got absolutely eviscerated for selecting Daniel Jones. You can have your opinion of Daniel Jones, but he was nowhere near the atrocity that the media and fans alike made him out to be..

I have no clue who the giants should draft or whether there will be a reasonable offer for the giants to trade down (and how they have players rated). My hope is they get the right player and continue to add pieces to build this team (whoever that player is).

I am not going to get hyped up by the media or even by some on this board who continue to pound the table that gettleman needs to draft player x or needs to trade down.
RE: Who is QBing the Chargers? Jacksonville?  
pa_giant_fan : 3/23/2020 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14846942 George from PA said:
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Miami and Carolina even...

The QB market should remain hot

Didn't Carolina sign Bridgewater to a 3 year 63 mil. contract,
I believe this Giants coaching staff understands personnel and  
Spider56 : 3/23/2020 12:40 pm : link
will have a huge input to the draft. JJ comes from the trade down background so the Giants will do this at least once to gather more picks. Garrett and Kitchens know talent on offense and they will get what they want. I’ve said before, DG has nothing to gain by not listening to the coaches.
People are going to freak out over the pick  
Mike from Ohio : 3/23/2020 12:41 pm : link
and roast Gettleman. It is still to think they won't. There are people here who think Okudah or Simmons have to be the pick because they are elite defenders. There are also people who think it has to be a tackle regardless of rating. And there are those who think any trade down for any compensation is fine.

There is no pick that will make all of those groups happy. Some will rejoice and some will go ballistic. To expect anything else is silly.
RE: I would hope that some people  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/23/2020 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14846970 TrueBlue56 said:
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Will have learned their lesson last year. Gettleman got absolutely eviscerated for selecting Daniel Jones. You can have your opinion of Daniel Jones, but he was nowhere near the atrocity that the media and fans alike made him out to be..

I have no clue who the giants should draft or whether there will be a reasonable offer for the giants to trade down (and how they have players rated). My hope is they get the right player and continue to add pieces to build this team (whoever that player is).

I was one of them, but to be fair Gettleman has DRAFTED pretty decently, its FA or trades (minus Odell) that have been bad.

I am not going to get hyped up by the media or even by some on this board who continue to pound the table that gettleman needs to draft player x or needs to trade down.
RE: RE: I am fairly certain Gettleman will do something  
LBH15 : 3/23/2020 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14846969 EricJ said:
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In comment 14846921 LBH15 said:


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to get himself roasted besides not trading back.



like making a solid pick with our first choice like he did the last two seasons?


Moreso by opening his mouth
Why should anyone  
Marty866b : 3/23/2020 1:32 pm : link
Expect Gettleman to trade down? He NEVER has and please don't tell me he's never been offered to do so.
people will continue to roast DG  
mphbullet36 : 3/23/2020 1:34 pm : link
until he puts a winning product on the field, which is fair. Its that simple.
Do you think the lack of pro-days and in-person meetings  
GiantBlue : 3/23/2020 2:01 pm : link
will have a higher, same or lower chance of pushing the QB's up the draft as we get closer (like other years)?

It seems like the late panic to get a QB in the draft sometimes is based on a great pro-day.

With social distancing, do you think there might be less push to get one of the QB's not named Burrow and Tua?

If that rush does come, than DG should acknowlege and consider every call and trade offer.
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ryanmkeane : 3/23/2020 2:09 pm : link
in the NFL it is pretty apparent that you have to give any GM at the bare minimum, 2 years, probably 3 if we are being honest. Now that we've officially transferred over to post Eli and the 2020 Giants will basically be Gettleman's team, this should provide a huge indicator of whether or not Gettleman was the right choice. He made the pick at QB, he shed the roster, and the offense and defense will basically be all of his players, aside from Shepard, Engram, and Tomlinson (hopefully I'm not missing any other big ones)

If 2020 is a disaster, he's gone.
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ryanmkeane : 3/23/2020 2:11 pm : link
and on the flipside, if we win 8+ games and are really competitive in basically every game, that should provide the clarity to fans that we are on the right track.
If Burrows and Tua go in the top 3 picks teams needing QB's  
gtt350 : 3/23/2020 2:13 pm : link
will get icthy as hell. I think we would have more than one team wanting our pick. DG has to make them pay big for it
Trading back  
ryanmkeane : 3/23/2020 2:15 pm : link
but staying in the top 10, to get Wirfs or Wills, and getting a boatload of picks on top of it, is my #1 choice right now
RE: I’ll be fine with whomever  
TMS : 3/23/2020 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14846886 Big Blue '56 said:
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Judge/DG peg at 4, if they don’t get what they would want in a trade down
Agree with you Blue. Do not want a reach with the #4 pick in this draft for a player who may never play the position at a high level. From what I have read they are all guards, high first or 2nd round picks. BPA or trade down for more picks and try to get a need pick there.
Trading back 1 spot  
Chip : 3/23/2020 3:34 pm : link
and getting all of Miami's draft picks next year is my #1 choice
Two likely scenarios  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/23/2020 3:40 pm : link
1. Burrow,Young And Detroit trades with Miami for Tua. We trade to 6 for an additional pick and still get Simmons or preferred OT. (Okudah goes 5 to Det)

2. Burrow, Young Okudah. Miami gives us something to prevent LAC from jumping them or LAC gives us even more to do so for a QB. Either way we get the additional pick(s) and stay in position to take Simmons, OT or much less likely Brown but ya never know.

I just can’t imagine a scenario where trading down to 5 or 6 where we don’t get one of Simmons, Okudah, Brown or OT #1. (Assumes if the trade is to Chargers they take the 3rd QB) so 3 QBs, Young and Okudah are off the board at 6, or 2 QBs Young and Okudah if we pick at 5.

Either way we get the same player at 5 or 6 we would’ve taken at 4 but add another pick or few. Like most here I’d like to see us have at least 3 top 40 picks to come away with a OT, C and difference maker on defense.
Would Like Some Opinions  
BobA : 3/23/2020 4:19 pm : link
Would you give up a early blue chip draftee prospect for 2 (or possibly 3) red draft prospects?

BLue Chip possible All-Pro
Red Chip possible above average 10 year starter
RE: Would Like Some Opinions  
LBH15 : 3/23/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14847240 BobA said:
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Would you give up a early blue chip draftee prospect for 2 (or possibly 3) red draft prospects?

BLue Chip possible All-Pro
Red Chip possible above average 10 year starter


All the time for 3 red. With this current roster/team you do it for 2 red. With an average or good roster you stay with the blue.
I don't think you Roast Gettleman for not trading back  
DavidinBMNY : 3/23/2020 6:47 pm : link
But I think you DO roast him if after 3 years he wasn't able to fix the OL. So that's an end of year thing. He had resources to apply to it, he has done some of that and it has improved but it's not "fixed".
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