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Could Washington go with CB Jeff Okudah at 2?

Anakim : 3/23/2020 9:30 pm
I mean they have NOTHING on the outside. They just traded Dunbar to Seattle. They signed Kendall Fuller back, but he's best as a nickel. Same can be said for Fabian Moreau. I suppose they could kick the tires on someone like Xavier Rhodes, Ronald Darby, Trumaine Johnson or Prince Amukamara, but those guys are not exactly sure things to rebound from down seasons.


They may try to trade back (Dolphins?) for Okudah, but there's no guarantee he'll fall. I mean many have been penciling Okudah to the Lions for months. If Washington goes with Okudah and Detroit decides to trade down for a team wanting Tua, guess who will be available at 4...
Not  
AcidTest : 3/23/2020 9:36 pm : link
a chance. I still think they'll take Young unless they're offer a haul of picks.
They Should Lable These...  
Jim in Tampa : 3/23/2020 9:38 pm : link
As Fantasy Football Threads.

What else would you call another highly unlikely scenario in which both the "Skins and Lions (with defensive HCs) pass on the best player in the draft?
If they do, the Lions will jump at Chase Young  
JohnB : 3/23/2020 9:53 pm : link
they'd be doing a happy dance if the Redskins pass on him. And I doubt that anyone could pry that #3 pick away from them.
Doubt it  
WillVAB : 3/23/2020 10:15 pm : link
Rivera is a good defensive coach and knows good defenses are predicated on a quality pass rush. CBs are a dime a dozen.
Cmon...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/23/2020 10:20 pm : link
...man~
RE: Doubt it  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/23/2020 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14847675 WillVAB said:
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Rivera is a good defensive coach and knows good defenses are predicated on a quality pass rush. CBs are a dime a dozen.


Well for starters modern analytics would disagree with the notion that good Corners are somehow unimportant.

I'm also frustrated by the inclination of many around here to oversimply everything. The importance of edge rushers doesn't make corners "a dime a dozen". They can both he important at the same time.

You need quality players at many different positions to win. Even cornerback. Yes, even running back.
Could they? The answer to that is always yes. Of course they could.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/23/2020 11:04 pm : link
Will they? Highly, highly unlikely. I mean, aliens could land tomorrow and cure coronavirus, cancer and old age. I wouldn't spend a lot of time thinking about it but it could happen.

But we're on a football site, there are no sports to watch on TV, so, sure, why not? Let's discuss.
That said  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/23/2020 11:06 pm : link
The way Young gets to the Giants would probably involve both Washington and Detroit trading out. I wouldn't bet on it.

But I also dont like the definitive statements about who will or won't get picked, or what scenarios are impossible because the talking heads say they are.

I don't know. You dont know. They dont know.


Did last year teach us nothing?
RE: Doubt it  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/23/2020 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14847675 WillVAB said:
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Rivera is a good defensive coach and knows good defenses are predicated on a quality pass rush. CBs are a dime a dozen.


I foresee a day when all the positions are marginalized to the point that the Punter becomes the most valuable guy on the field...
I would say no way Young falls  
Chocco : 3/23/2020 11:08 pm : link
But when the 3 teams drafting in front of you are Cincinnati, Washington and Detroit you never know.
I also think  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/23/2020 11:17 pm : link
that many are too easily dismissing the possibility of Detroit going QB.
RE: Doubt it  
BleedBlue : 3/23/2020 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14847675 WillVAB said:
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Rivera is a good defensive coach and knows good defenses are predicated on a quality pass rush. CBs are a dime a dozen.


Yea thats horseshit.

BB has always empahsized getting quality corners. I think he would get a big time corner vs a big tike pass rusher. The reason for that is it allows him to play man and get pressure by bringing extra guys.

Corners a dime a dozen is a really bad take man
All this posturing is for naught  
micky : 3/23/2020 11:27 pm : link
The top 3 are already set.
...  
christian : 3/23/2020 11:37 pm : link
The Redskins had a higher pressure percentage and 1 fewer sacks than the Pats last year and gave up 210 more points. They also gave up nearly a thousand more passing yards.

I wonder what the difference between the elite defense and the terrible one was. Hint, it wasn't the pass rush.
The Redskins have a long franchise history of great DB's...  
Torrag : 3/23/2020 11:49 pm : link
and have used Top 5 picks on them before. That said it would be a pretty big surprise.
RE: The Redskins have a long franchise history of great DB's...  
christian : 3/23/2020 11:56 pm : link
In comment 14847739 Torrag said:
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and have used Top 5 picks on them before. That said it would be a pretty big surprise.


The Skins dumping all their DBs might be a sign of things to come.
No chance  
Joey in VA : 3/24/2020 12:00 am : link
None at all. Snyder is a monkey see, monkey do owner. He saw a #2 pick go to SF and they go from the cellar to the Super Bowl. I'm sure he thinks drafting Young and adding it to his 1st round DL picks in Sweat, Kerrigan, Allen and Payne means he's going to the Super Bowl. He loves Dwayne Haskins, he chose him specifically and he's going to pick Chase Young.
No.  
David B. : 3/24/2020 12:04 am : link
They're taking Chase Young. Get over it and hope the Giants pick an OT to cope with him.
RE: No chance  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/24/2020 12:09 am : link
In comment 14847746 Joey in VA said:
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None at all. Snyder is a monkey see, monkey do owner. He saw a #2 pick go to SF and they go from the cellar to the Super Bowl. I'm sure he thinks drafting Young and adding it to his 1st round DL picks in Sweat, Kerrigan, Allen and Payne means he's going to the Super Bowl. He loves Dwayne Haskins, he chose him specifically and he's going to pick Chase Young.


It's like talking to a wall.

You guys literally have no fucking ability to smell your own shit.
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Peppers : 3/24/2020 5:21 am : link
A for Effort..
Anakim  
M.S. : 3/24/2020 5:43 am : link

Your make several valid observations in your well though out thread starter, but IMO there is zero chance that Jeff Okudah goes to Washington at #2. And Jeff Okudah won't go at #2 regardless of which team ultimately ends up with the pick.
RE: RE: Doubt it  
WillVAB : 3/24/2020 7:10 am : link
In comment 14847712 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 14847675 WillVAB said:


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Rivera is a good defensive coach and knows good defenses are predicated on a quality pass rush. CBs are a dime a dozen.



Well for starters modern analytics would disagree with the notion that good Corners are somehow unimportant.

I'm also frustrated by the inclination of many around here to oversimply everything. The importance of edge rushers doesn't make corners "a dime a dozen". They can both he important at the same time.

You need quality players at many different positions to win. Even cornerback. Yes, even running back.


Look at the market for corners and ER’s every year. Good corners are available in FA every single year. Quality ER’s rarely hit the market.

The NFL agrees with me. Teams have to make choices in a capped league and the corners get sacrificed over ER’s. Just look who was available in FA this year.
RE: I also think  
ZogZerg : 3/24/2020 7:12 am : link
In comment 14847727 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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that many are too easily dismissing the possibility of Detroit going QB.


Not happening. Detroit coaches need to win this year. They aren't passing on a stud CB (or DE that won't be there).
if it were to happen  
Giantsfan79 : 3/24/2020 7:39 am : link
perhaps Washington justifies the move by saying that the drop-off in talent between Okudah and the corners that would be available in later rounds is far more significant than the drop off between Young and the pass rushers available in the later rounds.

Plus the top QBs in this league can get the ball out so quickly that they can neutralize a pass rush. Good corners are vital.
Adding to this conspiracy theory  
stoneman : 3/24/2020 8:41 am : link
they also do not have a second round pick. Pretty nuts not to listen to offers for Young. Its going to be hard to pass up 3 1sts from either Mia, Jax, or LV.
If your looking for an alternative to Washington taking Young  
BillT : 3/24/2020 9:03 am : link
It would be Tua. Rivera may be a "defensive" coach but he knows that without a QB he's going nowhere. The question is does he think he's got a QB. I wouldn't but what do I know.
It thought that could happen initially, but  
barens : 3/24/2020 9:14 am : link
just seems so unlikely.
I actually think the answer is Yes  
LBH15 : 3/24/2020 9:20 am : link
More interesting are the numerous responses on this thread that say "no way", yet so many posters are fixated on Okudah being okay for us at #4.

RE: I actually think the answer is Yes  
barens : 3/24/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14847883 LBH15 said:
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More interesting are the numerous responses on this thread that say "no way", yet so many posters are fixated on Okudah being okay for us at #4.


It's not because he's not worth that pick, it has more to do with Young being a special player, and the best player in the draft.
The only way they don't  
Amtoft : 3/24/2020 11:43 am : link
draft Young is if they trade out IMO. Maybe they trade with Detroit to keep Young out of the division and drop only one spot to still get Okudah, but they won't let Young get to the Giants.
Amtoft +1  
JonC : 3/24/2020 11:48 am : link
but the Redskins not picking Young for their former LB head coach would be a surprise, including Young's blue chip hard to find talent.
You also have to take into account  
stoneman : 3/24/2020 12:03 pm : link
how far away are Wash and Det to competing. More than the life of Young's rookie contract. They have draft capital now to acquire alot more talent and get competitive faster. They will not have this opportunity again if they slowly get better. You don't get the #1 or #2 pick that often, even tanking like Mia did.
Not happening  
Gruber : 3/24/2020 12:22 pm : link
Okudah's a future Pro Bowler, but Chase Young is a beast. No way they take Okudah ahead of Chase Young. It's 90% certain it's Chase Young, unless Cincy upset the applecart and took him instead or traded out from #1 to a side not needing a QB. The 10% of doubt is if Ron Rivera gets the hots for Tua or Herbert.
RE: RE: I actually think the answer is Yes  
LBH15 : 3/24/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14848135 barens said:
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In comment 14847883 LBH15 said:


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More interesting are the numerous responses on this thread that say "no way", yet so many posters are fixated on Okudah being okay for us at #4.




It's not because he's not worth that pick, it has more to do with Young being a special player, and the best player in the draft.


I know i am in the minority here and not saying Young doesn't have well sought after skills, but too many putting him on a pedestal.

Almost like hand of god stuff.
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