We had three first round picks last year

Baker not so much. But he did play well the last 3-5 weeks, which is encouraging.

...better?

you need to revisit how success is defined for a ROOKIE in the NFL if you think DL and DJ didnt play well....BOTH played great and are serious contirbutors going forward.

Baker i agree, but nobody bats 1000. that being said, corner is a probably the second hardest position to adjust to in NFL so lets see how he plays this year. if we were to hit on 2 of the 3, its great. all 3 is a homerun and not something that is common

But yours must be hemlock...

rookie interior players. Jones is the teams starting quarterback and Baker (at a position that notoriously develops slowly) played well down the stretch.

All pro's? No. Pieces to build around going forward? Yes.

We can only focus on this year. Chase Young is a major pipe dream unless you want Gettleman to mortgage the future and try and trade up to the first pick, which would be unwise.

Many great pass rushers are drafted in every round. Our very own Michael Strahan was a 2nd round pick. Osi a 2nd round pick. Tuck a 3rd round pick. Kiwi was the last pick of the 1st round. John Randall The HOF DT for the Vikings was undrafted. Danielle Hunter of the Vikings was a 3rd round pick as was the guy everybody loves Yannick Ngakoue.

We can't reach for one, we can't overdraft. We have to allow the draft to bring the BPA and hope that our scouts, coaches and GM can find a player with lots of natural ability they can coach up and put in a position to succeed.

Please try to keep your chin up in these trying times.

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both showed why they were picked where they were. Baker definitiely struggled but looked like he was coming on. Better coaching and using him in coverages he is better suited for will help.

and played excellent. It was the dogshit veteran play at every other position on the field that dragged the Giants to another lost season.

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Get in line

Lawrence was our beat DL behind Williams and Baker was our best corner

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This defense will never improve until it develops a consistent pass rush.

What is your definition of a consistent pass rush?

I can't even say 'Ok Boomer' (and I am a Boomer)

from the fumbles, Daniel Jones had one of the more remarkable seasons in football history for a rookie (especially when you consider the lack of surrounding support).

Dexter Lawrence played as well as advertised.

None of them performed far enough to either end of the spectrum to have strong conviction either way.

Jones started 12 games.

His 24 touchdown passes was the fourth-most by a rookie quarterback in a single season in NFL history.

seems a bit of a stretch, IMO.

In comment 14848074 UberAlias said:

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None of them performed far enough to either end of the spectrum to have strong conviction either way.

To be fair, you can say that about everyone after year 1.

Based on Year one production, though, I don't get the OP claim.

We got three starters and players who will be the building blocks for us moving forward. Plus we got XMan, Love, Connely, and Ballentine, all of which contributed and hopefully will continue to contribute. Pretty damn good for a draft.

Dexter Lawrence was named named to Pro Football Writers of America’s All-Rookie Team.

did you feel better about after his rookie seaosn?

Phil Simms
Eli Manning
Daniel Jones

Lots of guys you can see it in them early on, one way or another.

when some of the um...less tolerant posters, were here.

Good grief.

But I did not feel Eli was the disaster everyone else did his rookie year either. Warner held onto the ball far too long. He would sooner take a sack (often fumble) than throw it away so his stats were padded. NYG was by fat #1 most sacked team in the league under Warner. Under Eli, they projected to top 10 fewest sacks in the league (if you project his sack totals onto 16 game season). And that was while facing a murder's row of pretty much all the top pass rushing defenses (Philly, Baltimore, Pittsburgh -even teams like Atlanta ranked high in pass rush).

The ball came out quick with Eli, and his stats took a hit. But that was a disaster of block of defenses to throw him out there especially behind that Oline. Complicated offense too.

would be any good.

So we are even.

He was fantastic. And Jones, despite fumbling issues and holding the ball too long, had a very productive year 1 at QB. I get that Baker didn't play particularly well, but CB is a tough position for rookies to handle, so it isn't that much of a surprise. I also thought he showed flashes late that leave me bullish on his future.

In comment 14848086 Eric from BBI said:

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did you feel better about after his rookie seaosn? Phil Simms Eli Manning Daniel Jones

Probably Jones. Eli scared the crap out of me, his rookie starts were brutal until the Dallas game. That last drive showed me what he could be.

I was a big Phil fan after his rookie year. He wasn't great, but the Giants won 6 of his 11 starts, something we hadn't seen in a while. After watching Pisarcik for too many years, Phil looked like peak Johnny U!

Coronavirus causing dementia??

There are a slew of really fucking stupid threads created today.

In comment 14848145 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Coronavirus causing dementia?? There are a slew of really fucking stupid threads created today.

Cabin fever most likely :-)

In comment 14848086 Eric from BBI said:

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did you feel better about after his rookie seaosn? Phil Simms Eli Manning Daniel Jones

Jones. Eli did show guts with in the final game of his rookie year against Dallas. But overall Jones had an very good year given his poor OLine play last year.

Since 1925

In comment 14847998 Bradshaw's Decal said:

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But yours must be hemlock...

"I just drank WHAT???"

In comment 14848063 Jay in Toronto said:

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I can't even say 'Ok Boomer' (and I am a Boomer)

Maybe you could ask, "How's Elvis?"

In comment 14848101 UberAlias said:

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But I did not feel Eli was the disaster everyone else did his rookie year either. Warner held onto the ball far too long. He would sooner take a sack (often fumble) than throw it away so his stats were padded. NYG was by fat #1 most sacked team in the league under Warner. Under Eli, they projected to top 10 fewest sacks in the league (if you project his sack totals onto 16 game season). And that was while facing a murder's row of pretty much all the top pass rushing defenses (Philly, Baltimore, Pittsburgh -even teams like Atlanta ranked high in pass rush). The ball came out quick with Eli, and his stats took a hit. But that was a disaster of block of defenses to throw him out there especially behind that Oline. Complicated offense too.

So, you weren't happy with Jones' rookie year, but come up with this bunk re: Eli's rookie year.

I love this place.

That's not at all what I said. I said Jones had the better rookie year. And when did I say I wasn't happy with Jones season? Keep making shit up.

NYG sack rates went down notably when Eli took over despite his facing several of the top rated pass rushing defense.

and three promising young players in the starting lineup.

Patience.

Of Slayton or Connelly while knocking last year's draft.

In comment 14848081 PatersonPlank said:

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We got three starters and players who will be the building blocks for us moving forward. Plus we got XMan, Love, Connely, and Ballentine, all of which contributed and hopefully will continue to contribute. Pretty damn good for a draft.

Oops, I forgot Slayton. So that's 4 key starters

None of the 1st round picks played like it? Lawrence was one of the best rookies in the NFL and he outplayed Quinnen Williams and Christian Wilkins who went ahead of him. Clearly you didn't actually watch closely because Lawrence often commanded double teams.

Daniel Jones showed far more than anyone expected last season but I won't waste anymore time pointing out how stupid this thread is.

was mind-boggling. Easy pitch and catch for opposing offenses. Certainly didn’t help him any, but he’s more of a bump and run, man to man coverage guy. There had to be a reason, other then stupidity. Anyway, I think Baker will have a better year with one year experience under his belt.

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Hitting on all 3 is a three run double. IMO any team with the need would take DJ and DL in a heart beat. Baker will be vastly improved this coming year.

We picked #2 in each round. We got Barkley who is a great player but some could argue taking a running back that high on a bad team is not the correct selection and after him ALL the other picks were disappointing last season.

Very good at times but more inconsistent than you'd prefer. Baker was misused by an idiot coordinator for about half the season. He's a press corner. He played better the last six weeks

I'm hopeful the best is yet to come with all of them.