New York Mets starter Noah Syndergaard has a torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow and is expected to undergo Tommy John surgery in the near future, sources tell ESPN. The procedure will keep him out until at earliest April 2021 and likely into the summer months.
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deGrom, Stroman, Matz, Porcello, Wacha. Yuck.
A lot of orthos have surgical centers.
As for the Mets, better now in this mess of a season than next year.
the next most Met thing is going to be when they sign Harvey, get a month of press around it, he throws a gem in his first game back, and then falls apart.
It seems 50/50 whether there's an MLB season anyway at this point. Hopefully the owners stick to the letter of the CBA and no one accrues service time.
Wilpons are going to regret not selling the team sooner.
not related to this per se, but the market in general. They probably lost a 3rd of the value by waiting.
Thanks for telling us this hurts their chances.
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The joke is that this comes off a season where he has no injury, a quiet offseason, a normal spring training, a quarantine where baseball stops...and then this comes out??? Haha, fuck the Mets. Seriously, fuck this embarrassing, dumbass franchise. Retract the team and save me from the next 50 years of ineptitude. The Wilpons and this team kill any enjoyment out of baseball.
Just devastating. But not at all surprising considering this franchise's luck.
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Just devastating. But not at all surprising considering this franchise's luck.
A trade could lift your spirits. I can’t think of any names right now because I haven’t spent any time thinking about baseball with everything going on. I would expect a trade once things start up again.
the next most Met thing is going to be when they sign Harvey, get a month of press around it, he throws a gem in his first game back, and then falls apart.
So true.
They will also trade McNeil for a Zambrano type pitcher to replace him
The joke is that this comes off a season where he has no injury, a quiet offseason, a normal spring training, a quarantine where baseball stops...and then this comes out??? Haha, fuck the Mets. Seriously, fuck this embarrassing, dumbass franchise. Retract the team and save me from the next 50 years of ineptitude. The Wilpons and this team kill any enjoyment out of baseball.
And we were SO CLOSE to a complete cult tie change away from the Coupons.
And they even screwed that up
Plus, it probably explains why his slider did not have the same bite last year. Elbow was probably allready bothering him.
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Plus, it probably explains why his slider did not have the same bite last year. Elbow was probably allready bothering him.
He's been pretty vocal about this lately. Said it was the stitches in the 2019 ball. The ball was very slick. Thor said it felt like gripping an "ice cube". Took many pitchers a while to get a feel for it last year.
This is no longer a conspiracy either as MLB has now admitted what happened.
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We were finally set to have the most complete roster I've seen in years.
Just devastating. But not at all surprising considering this franchise's luck.
A trade could lift your spirits. I can’t think of any names right now because I haven’t spent any time thinking about baseball with everything going on. I would expect a trade once things start up again.
Yeah. Mets might need to be in the market for another TOR starter in season if they want to win the whole thing now. This is really no different than most teams expecting to compete though. Losing Thor just brings our rotation down from "special" to good/average. Yankees got Cole (deGrom), Tanaka (Stroman), and a bunch of question marks. Same boat. Matz looked great this spring. Somebody like him could take a step forward out of nowhere and suddenly we are fine again. Not saying that will happen, but you have to play the games. I could see David Peterson making an impact mid-season also. Obviously, losing Thor SUCKS though. Not trying to sugar coating. Just trying to be optimistic. Our lineup is still probably one of the best in baseball and our bullpen "could" be elite.
We always get worked up by the flame throwers and dream on them (Izzy, Wilson, Pulsipher anyone?), but the reality is there is almost no chance for them to stay healthy in modern baseball.
I think Sandy was right to shift to the more of the "David Peterson" type prospect or at least try to go for more of a blend near the end of his tenure.
Starters that throw 99 mph are ticking time bombs. Its just a matter of when.
My 2 cents.
If the rotation isnt performing (Wacha, Porcello) make the swap 1/3rd of the way in. Lugo has been begging to start again and in a reduced innings season, now might be that time. (Again this assumes bullpen performance from the rest of the guys at that point and bad performances from Wacha/Porcello).
I also dont allow Gsellman to make the team. Send him to AAA and stretch him out again. He isnt that valuable as the last guy in the pen anyway. Somebody like Lockett or Sewald can fill that spot. Gsellman is young enough and has success as a SP. Stretch him out and now you have "some" depth again. If he isnt needed you can always call him up for the pen again later in the year.
Doesnt fix things but probably makes the best of this situation and gives the Mets a few options/flexibility again without any additions.
Pitchers break. I would definitely rethink my investment strategy for pitchers. Maybe higher AAV shorter duration or just try and avoid them in FA.
If the Mets are looking to acquire someone I'd reach out to Boston and see if they can pry away Eduardo Rodriguez by taking on Jackie Bradley Jr (or worst case JD Martinez).
Wilpons are going to regret not selling the team sooner.
not related to this per se, but the market in general. They probably lost a 3rd of the value by waiting.
I'd hold him until the ASB next year, let him hopefully get tuned up for a month or two so he can lead the team to a WS championship in Cohen's first season as owner.
Also if anything I think this helps keep Syndergaard long term. We know this year was an unlikely year for them to go anywhere on the field anyway since the division is even better than last year, and since the ownership change got delayed for all practical purposes the negotiation with Thor was going to come down to next year's walk year. So If anything this lowers that price and makes it more likely he will be amenable to resign, even if just a short term deal to prove he is healthy.
If Thor won a CY during this transition/shortened year he'd be looking at a $200-300m extension and whoever the new owner is would be in a tricky negotiation right away. And him winning a CY wouldn't have even guaranteed the team making the playoffs.
Everybody wants to extend players after they have proved themselves but nobody ever wants to be proactive on a guy when his chips are down.
I was screaming to give Wheeler a friendly extension 2 years ago and most fans then were talking about "1/2 seasons" and "injury history". You arent going to get a good deal without the risk.
I don't see Harvey as having demonstrably more upside than any of the other shitty options and if it goes poorly it will end badly, and no one needs that.
I'd look for a trade and i wouldn't wait.
I don't see Harvey as having demonstrably more upside than any of the other shitty options and if it goes poorly it will end badly, and no one needs that.
I'd look for a trade and i wouldn't wait.
Hell no on Harvey. He's finished. Agree 100%
I'd rather let him throw a few games and hope to catch lightning in a bottle than Corey Oswalt.
And yes to an extension with Thor, they should have been trying for both him and wheeler the past 2 years, but #wilponzis. Unfortunately it's unlikely there will be any extensions until new ownership - hopefully Cohen just comes in and gets a quick sale with the Wilpons likely completely freaking out and that's the first thing he does.
Everybody wants to extend players after they have proved themselves but nobody ever wants to be proactive on a guy when his chips are down.
I was screaming to give Wheeler a friendly extension 2 years ago and most fans then were talking about "1/2 seasons" and "injury history". You arent going to get a good deal without the risk.
I don't think it's cold. I see it as a win-win. Pay him a bit more while he is hurt and recovering, and get him on the cheap on the backend. Both parties are balancing risk.
As for Harvey, I'd take a flier on him on a minor league deal. Worst case scenario is he flames out.
I hope noone is suggesting an immediate trade. With nobody knowing what is going to happen this season, I think it would be foolish to trade beforehand at this point.
I was thinking he was looking for a one year deal similar to what he got with the Angels. That's not happening.
Minor leagues? Sure, he can go to Syracuse and play with Tebow for a few months.
He will get a minimum or near minimum deal, if that.
But let's say we can get a 2-3 week ST to start in early May with a opening day target of Memorial Day/June 1.
That could allow for:
-100 game season
-Expanded postseason tournament
Could still make for an interesting season and would allow more teams the opportunity to "go for it".
Holding out hope we still get to see something similar to that. Of course if this break goes into mid summer, the outlook of a "fun season" dwindles a lot more.
I was thinking he was looking for a one year deal similar to what he got with the Angels. That's not happening.
Minor leagues? Sure, he can go to Syracuse and play with Tebow for a few months.
ERA over 7 last year. Wouldn't shock me if he had to settle for a minor league deal
He will get a minimum or near minimum deal, if that.
Yeah I meant more a one year "prove it" deal on a guaranteed contract, less about the AAV.
I think Harvey under any circumstance on a "major league" deal is a no no for me.
I do. How do you make it work even to start? Harvey is on record stating he doesnt want to relieve. We still hav 5 SP slated for spots. How does he even get a chance if he wont come out of the pen at least? Are we supposed to give him a rotation spot over Wacha/Porcello. No thanks. And that's before we get into what drama mouthpiece he can be.
If he's willing to go Syracuse at the start of the season, prove he can dominate there for a bit, and maybe give himself the option to be called up later... Im down. Otherwise, he's not worth the headache.
What is the risk of the unknown? Worst case I believe is they don't play an inning this year in which case IMO things roll over to next year as they are currently (service time, contract, etc.)
And there are impacts to Harvey. No it wouldn't be a nice reunion, people have short memories it was shit show after shit show once Harvey's career began to crater.
IMO Harvey is the Mets way out - give the people what they want - but it's lazy - the Mets DO need to address the loss of Syndergaard, and it's not with Harvey.
I would be ok with a trade now if one presented itself. However, we did sign 2 SP for 1 spot this offseason. The only reason to do that was to guard against injury. Well, an injury happened. If you liked Wacha on a bounce back/age upside for almost 10 million in AAV with incentives reached, this shouldn't have changed that IMO. Im still ok with letting things unfold a little bit.
If Wacha stinks, Peterson isnt ready, nobody from the Gonzalves/Lockett pool proves capable, Lugo is needed in the pen and cant be moved, Gsellman stinks as a pen piece and rotation piece... Basically no internal options present themselves... Yeah, you need to make a trade. And that assumes the Mets lineup and pen is carrying them and they are still in it (because if not, what's the point?).
But I think there are a bunch of variables and unknowns still at this point.