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PA Aggie : 3/25/2020 9:48 am
What's your story about a traffic citation that just didn't seem fair?

Yesterday, took my wife to the grocery store. Got pulled over. Officer was perfectly professional the whole way, did his job. My registration had expired. (My wife does the bills in our house and she is meticulous to a fault. PA sends you a new form to renew, she swears we never got it....anyway...) Still, my fault. But $194?! I thought that was extreme. That's part of it.

The second part is more aggravating because where we live in south central PA, driving is practically a free-for-all. Local police are not allowed to take radar. I am serious. Only state troopers are allowed. We joke that the speed limits around here are whatever the car in front of you is doing. 10-15 over is regular, needless to say, tailgating is also very common. (Side note, I grew up in north Jersey, so Rt 3, the Parkway, 80, were "normal" roads to me.) Last, hand held devices are still allowed in Pa. While texting is technically not allowed, people are on their phones constantly. It's no wonder other states hate Pa drivers.

It's just frustrating to have our officers instructed to collect revenue that is virtually impossible to fight while the rest of the roads are something out of Death Race 2000. Thank you for allowing me to vent a bit. If you have your own story of disproportionate fines or incidents, fire away.
If you are an Aggie  
lono801 : 3/25/2020 10:28 am : link
You should be used to terrible drivers...Texas has the worst drivers I have ever seen. Particularly in College Station

Don’t even get me started on BCS cops
I got pulled over for an expired inspection sticker.  
Dirt1 : 3/25/2020 10:34 am : link
My registration was fully up to date but I was two weeks past inspection. Simply forgot about it. $130. Not only was I pulled over but two more cop cars arrived all with their lights flashing, had to step out of the car. Really? I respect the police, some family members were cops, but just shows there may be too many on the payroll they have nothing more to do. Why not make the fine $500, nothing we can do about it.
Got hit in MD with a photo speeding ticket  
BillT : 3/25/2020 10:37 am : link
Seems in a construction zone they can ticket you for speeding based on photo/radar set up. Sent me the ticket/fine in the mail. $40. Doubt it stands up in court but by ticketing out of state drivers who won't contest the $40 fine they have a little money making scheme they can get away with.
In freaking Virginia, I got pulled  
Tim in Capital City : 3/25/2020 10:42 am : link
Over for going 45 in a 25. I was leaving Dulles Airport and on the on-ramp preparing to merge onto the Toll Road. Apparently the speed limit had not yet changed from 25 to 55. The Loudon County cops were standing outside of their vehicles pulling over every single car. Nothing but a money grab/toll on travelers. Anyway, lesson learned.
I once got a ticket for going 9 mph over the speed limit...  
Gmaniac1 : 3/25/2020 10:48 am : link
... on an interstate highway.
... where I was in a group of cars and everybody was going slightly above the speed limit.

I was in another state, though, and I therefore had an out-of-state license plate... I figure that's why I was the one that got pulled over.

Still, 9 mph over the limit... sheeesh.

You can pull over 80+% of folks on the road for that "crime"
I hear ya Aggie  
Jeever : 3/25/2020 10:48 am : link
Here's my story.

I'm sitting at a stop light on a 2 lane road about to cross a 4 lane road. There's a steep hill as soon as you cross the intersection that you cannot see the oncoming traffic. From dead stop to clearing the top of the hill is no more than 100 feet.

As I crest the hill I'm pulled over by 4 police stationed at the top of the hill along with an older lady who was behind me. I think the speed limit was 25 on the side street but I can see a sign with a 35 mph limit 100 feet up the road.

The problem is I have no idea what my speed was because I had my eyes on the road as I crested the hill as I should have. OK what can I do.

But here's the galling thing. As they were writing our tickets a souped up car is approaching from the other direction at about 60-70 mph. One of the officers stands in the road to flag him down. There's no way this car can stop so at the last minute the officer jumps out of the way and the car screeches down the hill, runs the red light and takes a hard right and proceed to squeal his tires as he runs away. What is the police response. All 4 officers have a great laugh and get back to writing our tickets.

This is long before dashcams and cell phones. A few months later in the same general area I was second in line coming down a hill exceeding the speed limit. The cops waved the car in front of me over but seeing how lazy these a$$holes were last time I kept on trucking. They never came after me.

I'm still pissed about 30 years later.
A few years ago  
Kevin999 : 3/25/2020 10:58 am : link
I pulled up to a red light. There was a cop car in the left turn lane. The light turned green, I went through and about 30 sec later I see flashing lights. The cop said I ran the light. I chose to fight it and didn't hear back for about a year! The court date written was a Sunday, I called and they said "well then you should probably come Monday" Get to the court and the cop is at the door. Says he would reduce it to a basic infraction and I said no and he got upset. After an hour wait, they call my case the judge says the same, I said I was green and she asks if I want a trial. I asked if I had to come back and she said it would be done right after all the other cases. So the "trial" starts and the cop reads his notes, which included me stopping. The judge asks my side and I said how dumb would I have to be to stop at a red light, see a cop next to me and then run the light. She asks him if he was in a marked car, he replied yes and that it. I was told I would get the verdict in 30 days..... 8 months later I got a letter saying it was dismissed.
I live East of Reading, PA and everything PA Aggie writes is true!  
GiantBlue : 3/25/2020 10:59 am : link
I am a transplant from Long Island moving here in 1992 at 32 years of age. Don't get me wrong, I love it here....but the drivers!!!

* Tailgating is almost an every-minute occurrence.
* High Schools & Driving Schools DO NOT teach Pennsylvanians how to merge onto a highway. They either crawl down the ramp at 5 mph or just barrel down and wait to the last possible second to jump into lane often causing other cars to have to make a split second decision.
* Texting and driving is rampant...especially among younger women.
* Pizza delivery cars........ARGHHHHHH

Anyway....have been lucky evading the law to date, but it is correct that speed limits are basically ignored and everyone drives in concert with each other in a group-law-breaking frenzy!
Pennsylvania Drivers...  
BamaBlue : 3/25/2020 11:19 am : link
are no match for drivers in Boston. The only place where traffic is worse is Rome, Italy. Nobody who owns a scooter in Italy can be more than 30 years old... they must die in bunches.
I got ticketed for  
Jay in Toronto : 3/25/2020 11:32 am : link
not coming to a full stop at a stop sign.

Apparently there is no distinction between 'running' a stop sign and not coming to a full stop.


Pretty sure there was no traffic and I probably rolled with my manual shift :(
RE: Pennsylvania Drivers...  
MotownGIANTS : 3/25/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14849234 BamaBlue said:
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are no match for drivers in Boston. The only place where traffic is worse is Rome, Italy. Nobody who owns a scooter in Italy can be more than 30 years old... they must die in bunches.


My trip to Boston was awesome but the Uber rides was like being on a game show ... "When will we crash?"
Once  
Mr. Nickels : 3/25/2020 11:38 am : link
there was no parking at courthouse so I proceeded to make a lap back to where I came from to look for more spots in New Brunswick. One car was in front of me at a red light and when it turned green. Car was not paying attention so I honked at him and then eventually we both made a left hand turn. I turned as it was yellow. I was pulled over for tailgating and failure to obey a traffic signal ("I ran a yellow light") and unsafe driving. Had to plea to unsafe driving.

last year  
lightemup : 3/25/2020 12:17 pm : link
I was delivering medication to a hospital in Brooklyn in the morning. Everyday id put my phone in a dash display. Out of nowhere a cop pulls me over and tells me he saw me with my phone in my hand. I told him it was impossible because I don't touch my phone from the time i leave to the time i get to my destination.

He goes writes up the ticket, when he came back, he does his best to avoid pointing his body cam in the direction of my phone on the mount. My court date is supposed to be next month.
Almost 15 years ago, read a story about N.Y.C ticket maids were giving  
idinkido : 3/25/2020 1:15 pm : link
out bogus tickets. A couple of years later, after moving down from New York to Florida, I get a ticket for an out of date New York State registration. At the date of the ticket, I had been living in Florida for a couple of years and had not been back to New York, and my car was registered in Florida. I corresponded with the New York court and explained that I was a full time Florida resident and my car was registered in Florida. Well that judge, made me go through so much paperwork over and over again, until I was cleared of that ticket. The article I read was that ticket agents were taking 2 plus hour lunch breaks, shopping when they were suppose to be working, and collecting license plate numbers to later be used to give out bogus tickets.
RE: Got hit in MD with a photo speeding ticket  
BigBlueShock : 3/25/2020 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14849167 BillT said:
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Seems in a construction zone they can ticket you for speeding based on photo/radar set up. Sent me the ticket/fine in the mail. $40. Doubt it stands up in court but by ticketing out of state drivers who won't contest the $40 fine they have a little money making scheme they can get away with.

Same exact thing happened to me. I was in MD for work for a week. Three weeks later I get a speeding ticket in the mail. $40. Their “proof” was a still photo of my truck taken by the camera. I didn’t even recognize the random street I was supposedly speeding on but they said I was doing 39 in a 25. Its impossible to even fight that. That shit should be illegal
RE: I live East of Reading, PA and everything PA Aggie writes is true!  
PA Aggie : 3/25/2020 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14849203 GiantBlue said:
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I am a transplant from Long Island moving here in 1992 at 32 years of age. Don't get me wrong, I love it here....but the drivers!!!

* Tailgating is almost an every-minute occurrence.
* High Schools & Driving Schools DO NOT teach Pennsylvanians how to merge onto a highway. They either crawl down the ramp at 5 mph or just barrel down and wait to the last possible second to jump into lane often causing other cars to have to make a split second decision.
* Texting and driving is rampant...especially among younger women.
* Pizza delivery cars........ARGHHHHHH

Anyway....have been lucky evading the law to date, but it is correct that speed limits are basically ignored and everyone drives in concert with each other in a group-law-breaking frenzy!


We could swap stories for hours....
Agree on entrance ramps...why do people stop cold when we behind are going to merge onto a 65 MPH road?
Running stop signs...rolling through a stop sign at 10-15 is common. Complete stop? HA!
If you are at a red light, and it turns green...look both ways! At least once a day I see someone barreling through a red light thinking they "made it" on green.
And the texting...cars weaving, changing speeds, and I can't tell you how many times I have gotten screwed at a green light because the jackass in front of me hasn't noticed the light changed, they go, and I coast up to a red light steaming.

We recently had a young girl sadly die in an accident. 17, on her way to school. Hit the back of a school bus loading at 45 mph. She was so involved in her phone that she never saw the lights, the bus, and never applied the brakes.

Why on earth would lawmakers not change the hands free law? I go to NJ to visit family regularly, NJ has only a small fraction of people on their phones compared to PA. It's insane out there, stay well.
RE: RE: Pennsylvania Drivers...  
PA Aggie : 3/25/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14849252 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 14849234 BamaBlue said:


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are no match for drivers in Boston. The only place where traffic is worse is Rome, Italy. Nobody who owns a scooter in Italy can be more than 30 years old... they must die in bunches.



My trip to Boston was awesome but the Uber rides was like being on a game show ... "When will we crash?"


Insane Uber rides, that may be another thread? Some of those you are truly shaking hands with the devil.
Your local politicians are the problem...  
EricJ : 3/25/2020 2:47 pm : link
and are responsible for the cost of the tickets.... not the police
I doubled parked  
ArtVandelay : 3/25/2020 3:09 pm : link
for literally less than a minute to buzz the door at my ex- girlfriend’s apartment to let her know I was there. This was obviously before cell phones. I come back to my car and a cop is writing a ticket. Gives me the “it’s too late once I start writing it” line. I lost my temper a bit. It’s never a good idea to call a cop a douche even when it’s true. He demanded to see my license, registration and insurance card. Gave me
another ticket for expired insurance. My insurance wasn’t expired but I didn’t have the updated card with me.
RE: RE: Got hit in MD with a photo speeding ticket  
Matt M. : 3/25/2020 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14849383 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14849167 BillT said:


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Seems in a construction zone they can ticket you for speeding based on photo/radar set up. Sent me the ticket/fine in the mail. $40. Doubt it stands up in court but by ticketing out of state drivers who won't contest the $40 fine they have a little money making scheme they can get away with.


Same exact thing happened to me. I was in MD for work for a week. Three weeks later I get a speeding ticket in the mail. $40. Their “proof” was a still photo of my truck taken by the camera. I didn’t even recognize the random street I was supposedly speeding on but they said I was doing 39 in a 25. Its impossible to even fight that. That shit should be illegal
Not so in NYC. Now, if you get caught by a speed camera, there is basically nothing you can do. They have reacted to the most common defenses. So, along with your ticket and the still photos, you get a link to a website where you view video evidence. Additionally, they provide a certified statement that the equipment is up to date, along with the most recent test results. There is nothing you can say to dispute at that point.
RE: In freaking Virginia, I got pulled  
Gregorio : 3/26/2020 2:08 am : link
In comment 14849173 Tim in Capital City said:
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Over for going 45 in a 25. I was leaving Dulles Airport and on the on-ramp preparing to merge onto the Toll Road. Apparently the speed limit had not yet changed from 25 to 55.


I was ticketed at this same location for the same reason. It’s a trap. 35 years of driving and this was 1 of 2 moving violations. Just be cautious leaving Dulles airport.
NYC alone has instituted a policy of giving  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/26/2020 2:56 am : link
"school speeding zone tickets" issued by implanted radar devices near schools -


that operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, year round, last summer.

I freaking blew a gasket to see I was issued a speeding ticket in August near a Parochial High School in Queens, about 8 pm at night, on a Sunday!!!!

Seems The City farmed out traffic speeding violations to a private company to install the radar guns and photographing equipment, and the private company rewrote the speed laws...
photo radar  
PA Aggie : 3/26/2020 8:33 am : link
Does anyone know how much flex you have in these photo radar guns? 3mph? 5mph? I can't imagine it is anything over 6 or 7?
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