Chris Simms ranks Tua behind Jordan Love

are talking up Love. He's going to be a fast riser and could go to Miami at #5.

So there's that.

If fact here are his rankings...
Tier 1
Murray
Lock
Haskins
Tier 2
Stidham
Finley
Jones
Tier 3
Thorson
Grier

ranks Love

In comment 14849503 rasbutant said:

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So there's that. If fact here are his rankings... Tier 1 Murray Lock Haskins Tier 2 Stidham Finley Jones Tier 3 Thorson Grier

Understood. What are your thoughts on his expressed opinion of Tua beyond his ranking? Just curious

In comment 14849495 Matt in SGS said:

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are talking up Love. He's going to be a fast riser and could go to Miami at #5.

I think it's obvious that the Chargers are going QB in round 1. They're the team I would prefer to trade down with as the Giants would pick up at least a 2nd round pick while also having all the top OT's still on the board and possibly Isaiah Simmons too. Imagine landing
1st LB Isaiah Simmons
2nd OT Isaiah Wilson
2nd C Cesar Ruiz
3rd WR Antonio Gandy Golden
4th OT Ben Bartch

I know you're not supposed to put a lot of stock into the Senior Bowl, but he did not look comfortable throwing the ball in the pocket, and his release left a bit to be desired. I mentioned the Senior Bowl because you heard some buzz that week at the practices that he had a big arm, but you need so much more.

As far as Tua goes, there have been many Alabama QB's before him who didn't look half as good as Tua. You can have all of the talent around you, but you still have to perform, and he did play against some of the best.

In comment 14849508 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14849495 Matt in SGS said: Quote: are talking up Love. He's going to be a fast riser and could go to Miami at #5. I think it's obvious that the Chargers are going QB in round 1. They're the team I would prefer to trade down with as the Giants would pick up at least a 2nd round pick while also having all the top OT's still on the board and possibly Isaiah Simmons too. Imagine landing 1st LB Isaiah Simmons 2nd OT Isaiah Wilson 2nd C Cesar Ruiz 3rd WR Antonio Gandy Golden 4th OT Ben Bartch

That would be something. We would likely bet some high round future picks next year I assume as well (1st/2nd or more)

to predict. Coaching and talent around them will be a big part of it in the NFL. Tua had a lot of talent around him but he also performed at a elite level with it. Saban really altered his offensive philosophy with Tua.

I like his chances and his injuries will be a concern but really any QB or player can be one play away from a devastating injury.

Trent Dilfer, who has done the Elite 11 QB's for a long time said Tua is the best prospect he has ever had.

or does Chris Simms come off as a huge douche bag? Discuss among yourselves...haha jk...but I find him hard to listen to...dickish quality to him

1. Tagovailoa
2. Love
3. Burrow
4. Herbert
5. Fromm

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Quote: Here’s how his 2020 quarterback rankings look: 1. Joe Burrow, LSU 2. Justin Herbert, Oregon 3. Jordan Love, Utah State 4. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama 5. Jacob Eason, Washington

I like Herbert and think the NFL people will as well. One thing with Burrow is he has one year as a starter and did not get on the field with Ohio State. Then you have the OC coming from the Saints. How much was the offense he was in a shock to teams having not seen it or really understanding tendencies? Would he have the same stats after the SEC and others had a year to adjust to?

In comment 14849495 Matt in SGS said:

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are talking up Love. He's going to be a fast riser and could go to Miami at #5.

If someone trades up, it may be for Love, not Tua or Herbert.

But, I was never sold on Tua as the #1 pick when the Giants were potentially in the running (last year or this)...and that is pre-injury. I see him being injured often in the NFL.

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1. Tagovailoa 2. Love 3. Burrow 4. Herbert 5. Fromm

I don't know about Dave's QB ratings. These seem strange to me, and remember he still hates DJ

he's a top 5 pick

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1. Tagovailoa 2. Love 3. Burrow 4. Herbert 5. Fromm

Can't see Cincinnati passing on Burrow.

if you want to downgrade Tua because of injuries.

Besides that? Seems like an attention - grab. There is nothing on tape that supports this take.

of his talent, Tua's injury history makes it much less likely IMO that someone will trade up for him. Pro days and physical and medical evaluations and examinations from team doctors would have been required to alleviate those concerns, and therefore justify trading the draft capital to move up to get him. That is obviously impossible. I think teams will be more likely to trade up for Herbert and Love simply because they're healthy.

He's another guy that some rate as the top QB and some have him much lower.

Everyone has an opinion I guess.

If Tua stays relatively healthy (BIG IF), I think he’s going to be the best QB in this class, by far. I absolutely love Tua’s game. I hope he doesn’t go to the Skins, even if it means they take Young.

argument, especially at QB. Tua has most of what you're looking for, tremendous accuracy and release, a good arm. He's a little mechanical in his reads and can lock onto guys, but you can say that about almost any college QB. I think he moves in the pocket really well, his injuries were due to holding the ball too long trying to make something happen.

I think anyone taking Love over Tua is making a big mistake. Tua has made plays in the biggest games. Love is an intriguing prospect, and he had a spectacular soph year, but he turned the ball over a ton last year.

is Jacob Eason a relative of the superb ‘83 class of QBs that had Tony Eason as part of it?

No one should sleep on Jacob Eason.

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argument, especially at QB. Tua has most of what you're looking for, tremendous accuracy and release, a good arm. He's a little mechanical in his reads and can lock onto guys, but you can say that about almost any college QB. I think he moves in the pocket really well, his injuries were due to holding the ball too long trying to make something happen. I think anyone taking Love over Tua is making a big mistake. Tua has made plays in the biggest games. Love is an intriguing prospect, and he had a spectacular soph year, but he turned the ball over a ton last year.

It’s been used on here many times when Eli’s impact on our two SB runs are discussed

In comment 14849581 Danny Kanell said:

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If Tua stays relatively healthy (BIG IF), I think he’s going to be the best QB in this class, by far. I absolutely love Tua’s game. I hope he doesn’t go to the Skins, even if it means they take Young.

I think the Skins will very much be in play if they have any doubts about Haskins which I think they will. Snyder I think will stay out of it.

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argument, especially at QB. Tua has most of what you're looking for, tremendous accuracy and release, a good arm. He's a little mechanical in his reads and can lock onto guys, but you can say that about almost any college QB. I think he moves in the pocket really well, his injuries were due to holding the ball too long trying to make something happen. I think anyone taking Love over Tua is making a big mistake. Tua has made plays in the biggest games. Love is an intriguing prospect, and he had a spectacular soph year, but he turned the ball over a ton last year.

And people use the opposite argument to build up a QB they like (such as DJ) when they point to the sub-par talent around him as an excuse for the QB's sub-par college play.

In comment 14849587 Big Blue '56 said:

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is Jacob Eason a relative of the superb ‘83 class of QBs that had Tony Eason as part of it?

Not that I am aware of

I'm no QB guru and it's obvious Burrow is going #1 but I'd draft Herbert next. Smart, size, arm talent, nice release, strong, athletic, healthy, multiple years of production. Competitive in multiple sports. My comp for him is Bledsoe but he's more nimble and agile.

That checks all my boxes.

and swagger. I too make him my hipster top QB prospect.

And I rank Burrows and Herbert high, no significant red flags or question marks with either, unlike just about most prospects for the last 10 years. Hoping for some sort of feeding frenzy.

In comment 14849503 rasbutant said:

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So there's that. If fact here are his rankings... Tier 1 Murray Lock Haskins Tier 2 Stidham Finley Jones Tier 3 Thorson Grier

He also had Lamar Jackson as the # 1 quarterback, so he was ahead of the curve on that player

He picked him as best QB in draft when no one else did, but he was wrong about Daniel Jones and admitted that on the air. So I guess we will see about Tua.

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argument, especially at QB.

I think it's valid to an extent, look at Haskins and Jones. Stats don't tell the whole picture

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In comment 14849587 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: is Jacob Eason a relative of the superb ‘83 class of QBs that had Tony Eason as part of it? Not that I am aware of

Interesting from Wiki in part:

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“ Eason was born to Tony and Christine Eason and was raised in Lake Stevens, Washington. His father, Tony Eason, played college football at the University of Notre Dame,[1] but is not the Tony Eason who played for the New England Patriots and New York Jets in the 1980s.....”

In comment 14849503 rasbutant said:

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So there's that. If fact here are his rankings... Tier 1 Murray Lock Haskins Tier 2 Stidham Finley Jones Tier 3 Thorson Grier

Well, Murray looks legit, Denver fans love Lock, and Haskins is TBD. Also, I'm not ready to say Jones should have been picked 6th. Are you?

No one is gonna get it 100% but looking back, I'd say he did a pretty good job last year in his rankings.

What's the guy going to do and learn and KNOW between Tuesday and half a second before every single snap. That's it---it cannot be scouted at the College level.

Can watch Tua and Love and think they are anywhere close. I'm not even a big fan of Tua. I think he's extremely overrated, but I think he's much better than Jordan Love even if you factor in his injury history.

In comment 14849576 Sy'56 said:

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if you want to downgrade Tua because of injuries. Besides that? Seems like an attention - grab. There is nothing on tape that supports this take.

Agreed. Tua is a damn good QB.

is a much better QB than Love, but I wonder if teams will be reluctant to trade up for him given his injury history and the cancellation of team physicals and pro days.

In comment 14849508 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14849495 Matt in SGS said: Quote: are talking up Love. He's going to be a fast riser and could go to Miami at #5. I think it's obvious that the Chargers are going QB in round 1. They're the team I would prefer to trade down with as the Giants would pick up at least a 2nd round pick while also having all the top OT's still on the board and possibly Isaiah Simmons too. Imagine landing 1st LB Isaiah Simmons 2nd OT Isaiah Wilson 2nd C Cesar Ruiz 3rd WR Antonio Gandy Golden 4th OT Ben Bartch

I'd take that draft any day of the week.

In comment 14849508 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14849495 Matt in SGS said: Quote: are talking up Love. He's going to be a fast riser and could go to Miami at #5. I think it's obvious that the Chargers are going QB in round 1. They're the team I would prefer to trade down with as the Giants would pick up at least a 2nd round pick while also having all the top OT's still on the board and possibly Isaiah Simmons too. Imagine landing 1st LB Isaiah Simmons 2nd OT Isaiah Wilson 2nd C Cesar Ruiz 3rd WR Antonio Gandy Golden 4th OT Ben Bartch

Ideal Scenario. Have Faith Giants fans. There is something to collective consciousness - aka Rupert Sheldrake and morphogenic field. ;-)

and that his style of play wont translate to the NFL. I would tend to agree. I wouldnt take him in the top 10 because I dont feel like he will have a log career. Until a running QB lasts in the NFL there will be a red flag. the only one who has remained mostly injury free is Wilson and he was a 3rd round pick.

I'm not saying the other QBs are better than him but longevity has to be a major concern.

In comment 14850097 Rudy5757 said:

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and that his style of play wont translate to the NFL. I would tend to agree. I wouldnt take him in the top 10 because I dont feel like he will have a log career. Until a running QB lasts in the NFL there will be a red flag. the only one who has remained mostly injury free is Wilson and he was a 3rd round pick. I'm not saying the other QBs are better than him but longevity has to be a major concern.

I can certainly see being wary of Tua because of his injury history, but he is not a running QB by any stretch. He had 23 rushes in 8 games, 50 in the full year prior. By comparison, Joe Burrow, who no one would call a running QB, had 115 rushes this year alone.

Often wrong
Was below average at best
Always hurt

Called Patrick Mahommes and several others

When he misses, he certainly owns up to it

Even before the injury... I just don't see his game translating at the NFL level... Haven't seen him make the tight window throws that Burrow makes and his arm strength is pretty average... I know others here disagree on those points, but Simms called both of those out as well.

In comment 14849546 shocktheworld said:

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or does Chris Simms come off as a huge douche bag? Discuss among yourselves...haha jk...but I find him hard to listen to...dickish quality to him

You just found out he's college friends with Shanahan....and hence, LOL.

I think he's better than his father, as an analyst.

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Often wrong Was below average at best Always hurt

He keeps Mike Florio in check.