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Good sleeper Center for us....

shocktheworld : 3/25/2020 5:14 pm
I put this in the Dallas signing Poe thread, but thought it may be interesting to some who may not view that thread.

We have some big time DT's in our division, and we all know how shitty it is seeing our Center consistenly pushed back into the QB's lap...this has been a common thing for FAR too long. We absolutely MUST get a big, strong, athletic Center to protect DJ, and create holes for Saquon.

By far, my favorite pick for this draft is the Center from Michigan, Ruiz...he's going to be a stud at the next level.
If he doesn't fall to pick #36, then I am hopeful Lloyd Cushenberry from LSU lasts to #36. He is very similar to Ruiz, and honestly, some people like Cush as the #1 Center in this draft. He is def worth our pick at #36, as well.

Tyler Biadasz's star has really fallen...he isn't the athlete or "power" player I want at the Center spot...Matt Hennessey from Temple falls into the same category. Both are very smart,technique sound, 100% effort types and respected leaders for their college teams, but I think they are more finesse, zone blocking scheme fits.

Again, not what I would prefer for our new oline. I want them to put a line in place that resembles what Dallas did. Big, athletic, highly effective "Hog Mollies" haha. Biadaz and Hennessey ARE NOT that...

If for some reason, we aren't able to capitalize on Ruiz or Cush in round 2, I wanted to introduce you guys to my sleeper pick(round 5 or so) that can be exactly what we need, but at a considerable discount:

Gage Cervanka, Clemson, 6'3, 325 lbs

Let's get his main negative out of the way first. He started college as a DT prospect and has only played OLine since 2016...so his main knock is technique and things a newer player would struggle with. These are all correctable and honestly what you would expect. You can coach these issues up, but you can't coach up his incredible strength and size components. This guy put up 225lbs 44 times!! You can see how it translates to the field, because this dude destroys people on tape.

He is a force in the run game already, and will continue to get better in pass pro (technique improvement). He played center and guard, and is just starting to come into his own...he is an ascending player and will be a damn good guard or center in the league. He may not be a plug and play from day one like Ruiz or Cush, but he's worth the gamble in the later rounds.

He could end up being a dominate guard too, or worst case scenario a solid back up C/G. I see him at Center and can guarantee he WON'T ever be physically over matched haha. If his technique can catch up to his immense physical talents, we have a sleeper keeper on our hands!
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Good job  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2020 5:19 pm : link
I love these types of threads leading up to the draft. I will admit that I haven't paid much attention to Cervenka because he's projected as a late day 3 type. We teams like NE constantly finding solid OL late in the draft or among the UDFA's. If the Giants don't add another center in free agency then I wouldn't be opposed to them drafting two centers. I like Hennessy as well because he seems like the type who gets the most out of his ability and goes on to have a solid NFL career.
Cushenberry  
aGiantGuy : 3/25/2020 5:23 pm : link
Rarely, if ever, gets to the second level and gets a clean block. He has some problems moving laterallly and those are Ruiz’s strengths. To me, the two aren’t alike at all. I’d rather Biadasz over Cushenberry
RE: Good job  
shocktheworld : 3/25/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14849647 Jay on the Island said:
[quote] I love these types of threads leading up to the draft.


Jay, I like Hennessy's make up. He is a leader and smart as hell. He is your prototypical center in many ways...but he doesn't anchor well, and can be pushed back...that's he main negative..he struggles with power in college, so imagine at the NFL level. with that said, I think he will be a good player, and certainly wouldn't be pissed if we got him in the middle rounds... I just want a power player at center that can contend with our killer's row of divisonal DT's haha! Let's match power with power! But I digress hehe
Netane Muti.  
Earl the goat : 3/25/2020 5:28 pm : link
From Fresno st is another sleeper to watch. No one talking about him
RE: Cushenberry  
shocktheworld : 3/25/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14849655 aGiantGuy said:
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Rarely, if ever, gets to the second level and gets a clean block. He has some problems moving laterallly and those are Ruiz’s strengths. To me, the two aren’t alike at all. I’d rather Biadasz over Cushenberry


fair enough, but Biadasz was not good this year...and power players had a field day with him...so I would disagree with the comparison. Cush is much better overall
RE: Netane Muti.  
shocktheworld : 3/25/2020 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14849667 Earl the goat said:
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From Fresno st is another sleeper to watch. No one talking about him


agreed my friend (you and I think alike often!)

Muti has multiple major injury history, which is why NFL teams are spotty on him, but he is a nice looking player to shoot for in later rounds!!
Lot's of Dallas o-line penis envy on BBI  
WillieYoung : 3/25/2020 5:34 pm : link
That line has won exactly 1 playoff game even with an above average QB in each season it's been together. Not my idea of a team to emulate.
DARRYL WILLIAMS  
Pete in MD : 3/25/2020 5:35 pm : link
Not the one you're thinking, the G/C prospect from Coach Judge's alma mater, Mississippi State. Late round pick or UDFA.
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Team captain and three-year starter who is short on traits and athleticism but plays with savvy and determination.

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RE: RE: Good job  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2020 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14849664 shocktheworld said:
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Jay, I like Hennessy's make up. He is a leader and smart as hell. He is your prototypical center in many ways...but he doesn't anchor well, and can be pushed back...that's he main negative..he struggles with power in college, so imagine at the NFL level. with that said, I think he will be a good player, and certainly wouldn't be pissed if we got him in the middle rounds... I just want a power player at center that can contend with our killer's row of divisonal DT's haha! Let's match power with power! But I digress hehe

You're right but a lot of OL struggle with power early on because they need to get much stronger before they are ready to compete at the next level. I wouldn't want Hennessy as my starting center next year but with a year or two in an NFL strength and conditioning program he might develop into a solid player.
A potential 3rd round pick  
Jay on the Island : 3/25/2020 5:51 pm : link
that might be the answer at center is Calvin Throckmorton from Oregon. He has started at every position along the OL in college. Most are projecting him to guard but he might also be a good option for the Giants at center. Worst case scenario is that they have a versatile backup that can play every position.
i saw this thread title...  
only1eli : 3/25/2020 5:51 pm : link
and in my exhaustion, i hoped "good sleeper center" was a place i could send my newborn.
RE: RE: Netane Muti.  
Earl the goat : 3/25/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14849676 shocktheworld said:
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In comment 14849667 Earl the goat said:


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From Fresno st is another sleeper to watch. No one talking about him



agreed my friend (you and I think alike often!)

Muti has multiple major injury history, which is why NFL teams are spotty on him, but he is a nice looking player to shoot for in later rounds!!


Yes we do. BTW. I’m betting Sy has Becton as number one OT. Your thoughts
Yes, please give the Giants a Center they can SLEEP on.  
David B. : 3/25/2020 6:37 pm : link
We all know how uncomfortable Halapio is as a mattress. EVERYONE in the Giants tells you explicitly: "Don't sleep on Halapio!"

Love to know which Giant is a comfortable mattress.
Muti  
AcidTest : 3/25/2020 7:13 pm : link
has played five games in the last two seasons. He had an achilles tendon injury in 2018, and a Lisfranc last year. He's still probably a day two pick. He was clearly by doctors at the combine, but his draft stock may be hurt by the cancellation of pro days and the inability of team doctors to examine him. That's true for a lot of players, and is an unfortunate consequence of the coronavirus.

I'd take Biadasz at #99. He had hip surgery in the spring of 2019. His 2018 is awesome.

Cervenka sounds like an intriguing day three prospect.
LY round 1, C round 2! Great start to the draft.  
Jack Stroud : 3/25/2020 7:40 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Netane Muti.  
shocktheworld : 3/25/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14849700 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 14849676 shocktheworld said:

Yes we do. BTW. I’m betting Sy has Becton as number one OT. Your thoughts


Earl, I was just getting on board with Becton when you posted in November (I believe), and he has skyrocketed up the board. I hoped for him to "stay quiet" and we could snag him at #36, so how crazy that he could realistically be our pick at #4...and I am 100% all for it! You just don't see many players of his stature with those special athletic traits! He is 365lbs and moves like a man 100 lbs lighter! Absolute freak of a player, and has the long arms and quick feet to make up for any lack of technique (which is definitely part of his con list) but imagine that dancing bear with NFL coaching and strength and conditioning? Sky is limit!!
RE: Lot's of Dallas o-line penis envy on BBI  
shocktheworld : 3/25/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14849678 WillieYoung said:
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That line has won exactly 1 playoff game even with an above average QB in each season it's been together. Not my idea of a team to emulate.


I hear you...but if you're saying their line (at it's peak) isn't/wasn't the envy of pretty much every team in the NFL...then I have a bridge to sell you, haha! It is starting to crumble a bit now, as player age and retire (Travis F.)
But that is the prototypical line across the board, and I frankly, I hope having Garrett helps us try to build the same type of monster Oline.

Very stiff  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2020 8:36 pm : link
He won't make a 53 man roster.

The real sleeper was free agent BJ Finney (from PIT)that just signed with SEA
RE: Very stiff  
Rjanyg : 3/25/2020 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14849797 Sy'56 said:
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He won't make a 53 man roster.

The real sleeper was free agent BJ Finney (from PIT)that just signed with SEA


Sy,

You got a Center you think may be available in late 3rd early 4th round that could possibly start?
RE: RE: Very stiff  
Sy'56 : 3/25/2020 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14849808 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14849797 Sy'56 said:


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He won't make a 53 man roster.

The real sleeper was free agent BJ Finney (from PIT)that just signed with SEA



Sy,

You got a Center you think may be available in late 3rd early 4th round that could possibly start?


This is a really strong OC class - I see 5 or 6 starters.

Will one be there end of round 3? I think so, yes. But will it be the one I want? No. I think NYG may need to strongly looking there top of round 2.
I was listening to Tony Pauline's podcast  
Tom in NY : 3/25/2020 10:19 pm : link
He mentioned the Giants had scheduled Ishmael from San Diego St for a visit to the team facility, but due to the Coronavirus had to cancel/postpone.

This would indicate a solid level of interest as a mid-later round selection.
RE: RE: RE: Very stiff  
Rjanyg : 3/25/2020 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14849844 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14849797 Sy'56 said:


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He won't make a 53 man roster.

The real sleeper was free agent BJ Finney (from PIT)that just signed with SEA



Sy,

You got a Center you think may be available in late 3rd early 4th round that could possibly start?



This is a really strong OC class - I see 5 or 6 starters.

Will one be there end of round 3? I think so, yes. But will it be the one I want? No. I think NYG may need to strongly looking there top of round 2.


I’ll guess Ruiz is they guy you want. If he is there I can see it. We need a Center as much as an OT.
Sleeper center  
Bill in UT : 3/26/2020 12:24 am : link
I thought you were talking about a place to get diagnosed for a CPAP
RE: Sleeper center  
shocktheworld : 3/26/2020 1:10 am : link
In comment 14849955 Bill in UT said:
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I thought you were talking about a place to get diagnosed for a CPAP


Umm, you get diagnosed for sleep apnea, the fix for sleep apnea is to use a CPAP... plus you’re late to the party bud! Someone already said that haha.
RE: RE: Sleeper center  
Bill in UT : 3/26/2020 1:34 am : link
In comment 14849967 shocktheworld said:
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In comment 14849955 Bill in UT said:


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. plus you’re late to the party bud! Someone already said that haha.


Sorry, I missed that. I must have dozed off
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WillVAB : 3/26/2020 7:16 am : link
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RE: Lot's of Dallas o-line penis envy on BBI  
NYG007 : 3/26/2020 9:44 am : link
In comment 14849678 WillieYoung said:
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That line has won exactly 1 playoff game even with an above average QB in each season it's been together. Not my idea of a team to emulate.


He is not above average, that is why they keep losing. Regular season he stacks up stats on play action and broken deep ball plays. Why? Because of his OLINE! The man can run back there for 8 seconds and heave. When you get to the playoffs, you play only the better teams. So your 40:1 TD to INT ratio becomes a fantasy stat. You have to scheme and beat good teams, and good qbs do that. He, like Romo, does not and will never do it.
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