He’s distracted by things outside this board and it doesn’t have anything to do with some perceived drama? Maybe a new job. Maybe he decided to cut back on his internet screen time.Could be something as trivial as a new hobby. I’d venture to guess that it’s something like that before I pointed to anything that happened on here.
But if your wife let no chance go by to tell you the car sucks, the house sucks, your job sucks, your past decisions suck and your beliefs suck...we all say maybe its time to tell her to STFU.
That's an apt metaphor, but I think it illustrates a different level of how personally invested some fans can be.
If someone insults the Giants, I don't feel as though my decision to root for them has been attacked as I would in the examples you provided. But perhaps some people do.
Bill, I whole heartedly agree with your above post. For lack of a sophisticated way to express it, his management style annoys me.
When taking a step back and realizing he's a single character in a play that's hopefully progressing from Cats to Tartuffe soon, I can muster more positivity.
When taking a step back and realizing he's a single character in a play that's hopefully progressing from Cats to Tartuffe soon, I can muster more positivity.
there's no doubt he's been overwhelmingly negative in his takes, but the takes are always thought out and articulated well.
Awful ownership/managment/coaching and results for the better part of a decade SHOULD drive fans to a pretty negative and skeptical stance.
I'd rather read those posts any day of the week than 150 words of derpity-derp-derp deference to every single move the FO makes. (...which is not to say that anybody with anything positive to say is in that camp, but I personally find one a hell of a lot more grating than the other)
on football threads these days. I lost interest in "predict the future" threads a long time ago. I just watch the games and hope for the best. Was the Daniel Jones pick a good one? Can they win with Gettleman as the GM? I don't have much interest in debating those things because the correct answers will reveal themselves in time.
on football threads these days. I lost interest in "predict the future" threads a long time ago. I just watch the games and hope for the best. Was the Daniel Jones pick a good one? Can they win with Gettleman as the GM? I don't have much interest in debating those things because the correct answers will reveal themselves in time.
i really think this what it comes down to. I like the discussions and debates but DG was always going to be defined by these next few years more than 2018-2019. The giants were never winning big those years anyway and anyone with half a brain knew so. We were hopeful for a run with Eli at the end, but they simply didnt have enough great talent to sustain anything worthwhile. Maybe they could have stolen 9-10 games in those years, but that was their ceiling. this was always a long game approach no matter what horse crap lip service we were fed from Mara, DG or anyone else.
So here we are, year 3 of the rebuild. New staff. Second year QB. DG can walk into the sunset a hero here if the Giants start to win again and 9 and no one will give a fuck about Solder, Omamahe, Stewart or 9 total wins over 2 seasons. None of that will matter if 2020 mimics 2005.
but stopped doing because it ends up going nowhere.
Even if you are convinced DG is a moron and the Maras are incompetent, what does stating it over and over actually do? I get being critical, but it’s an obsession for some people like if you say it enough everyone else will agree to and we can storm MetLife and demand answers.
There have been several posters who said they continued to post it so that the team would take notice and take action. Terps was one of them. He said he would continue to say how shitty the team was being run because he knew people associated with the organization read BBI.
The guys railing about analytics said the same thing.
I chuckle at the image of Mara reading BBI and thinking that the poster who wants everyone on a rookie contract and would keep a stable of mobile QB's on the roster is the voice of reason that shows he should change his ways.
But that's what the reality is...
As someone that worked for the organization, they absolutely read BBI. Front office people 100% do.
but to what extent? And even if they read every single word it isn't comparable to hearing boos and firing chants during games which are much much worse.
I said that I have first-hand knowledge that people inside the organization read BBI. I've been contacted regarding posts I've made in the past.
What I don't think happens is that posts are used to drive moves or behavior. Or that there are paid shills on here.
So complaining over and over again with the goal of changing things is pretty futile. That's different from noticing, and I still have that funny image of Mara reading BBI.
To how fans can influence change by expressing their dissatisfaction, but let's not act like Go Terps' motivation was, first and foremost, to try and steer the ship through complaining.
I said that I have first-hand knowledge that people inside the organization read BBI. I've been contacted regarding posts I've made in the past.
What I don't think happens is that posts are used to drive moves or behavior. Or that there are paid shills on here.
So complaining over and over again with the goal of changing things is pretty futile. That's different from noticing, and I still have that funny image of Mara reading BBI.
Smart businesses in modern times would be using feedback from BBI to gauge customer sentiment, just like you can use Twitter to gauge customer/fan sentiment. This board is better gauge then any social media platform because it is full of the NY Giants core demographics.
It’s not going to drive everything, such as the draft picks or player personnel decisions (though professional teams use gauges how much money a team will make by signing big FA players ie Phillies signing Harper was money driven data analysis), but they certainly factor fan sentiment into some of the decision making that they do.
I believe many in the organization are very smart. I've made sure to compliment what are clear skills in personnel evaluation in DG while pointing out that it isn't enough when you are up against even less intelligent people with better information and tools.
What some people miss time and time again is that you can be very smart and terrible at innovation. Two very different things.
The Giants still don't have any person with a math and computer science background with anything resembling a senior title in the organization which is an ongoing problem. That was the problem with calling people "computer guys" diminutive and still reflects a poor understanding the type of culture you need to attract high quality creative technologists.
The Giants aren't using customer sentiment to make micro football decisions. No one thinks that.
But let's at least get back to the primary criticism; is posting your genuine feelings on the team heard?
The answer to that is an emphatic yes -- whether the Giants are operating in this century with a sophisticated social and customer sentiment monitoring service or tool, or if management/ownership is just reading the sports media.
The beat writers are a great example of this -- they all read BBI. They all lift from BBI.
Terps is 100% right, when you express your displeasure with the team in some small part that gets in front of management and ownership.
The Giants still don't have any person with a math and computer science background with anything resembling a senior title in the organization which is an ongoing problem. That was the problem with calling people "computer guys" diminutive and still reflects a poor understanding the type of culture you need to attract high quality creative technologists.
Jon Berger - Senior Director of Football Information
Jon Berger, who has been associated with the Giants for 38 years, is in his 13th season as the team's Senior Director of Football Information. Berger develops research reports for coaches, player personnel and management based on the analysis of statistical and tactical trends, and frequently makes presentation to players regarding strategy, game situations and rules interpretations. He works particularly closely with head coach Pat Shurmur and several members of the coaching staff.
Jon Berger, who has been associated with the Giants for 38 years, is in his 13th season as the team's Senior Director of Football Information. Berger develops research reports for coaches, player personnel and management based on the analysis of statistical and tactical trends, and frequently makes presentation to players regarding strategy, game situations and rules interpretations. He works particularly closely with head coach Pat Shurmur and several members of the coaching staff.
Prior to assuming his current position, Berger spent 21 years as the Giants' Director of Information Technology. In that position, he was responsible for maintaining the data network to assisting the coaching staff in analyzing tendencies and trends of both the Giants and their opponents.
Berger was first affiliated with the Giants organization in 1981, when he worked in the team's preseason training camp as an on-the-field assistant and later as an intern in the media services department.
After graduating from Stuyvesant High School, the Queens native attended the University at Albany, where he majored in computer science and mathematics, earning a B.S. degree and graduating Cum Laude with Dean's List honors in 1985. He was also a member of the Purple & Gold honor and service society. As an undergraduate Berger served as a computer science teaching assistant. After graduation, he remained at the University at Albany for another year as the computer coordinator for the physical education department, producing programs for all of the men's and women's intercollegiate teams.
and just a part of what is at work in the best predictive software systems these days.
And the point is that you wouldn't call someone you respected as a senior member of your organization a "computer guy" that's like calling a scout a "stopwatch guy"
but doing something doesn't necessarily mean they are innovating or fostering innovation. They have a lot of catching up to do to build out the kind of data set a team like the Pats have.
Them working now doesn't mean they aren't shamefully late to the party. They deserve every bit of the hard time they've gotten from me and others
RE: Good, i'm glad they are finally doing something
but doing something doesn't necessarily mean they are innovating or fostering innovation. They have a lot of catching up to do to build out the kind of data set a team like the Pats have.
Them working now doesn't mean they aren't shamefully late to the party. They deserve every bit of the hard time they've gotten from me and others
That's bullshit.
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Them working now doesn't mean they aren't shamefully late to the party. They deserve every bit of the hard time they've gotten from me and others
Because you are operating from a base opinion that you KNOW what they have been doing, when it has been painfully obvious you don't. If you start the argument at the premise the Giants haven't done anything, then any move they make is going to be viewed as being late to the party.
And as pointed out above, you don't even have a clue of the qualifications of the very people you disparage.
You've been a fish out of water in your knowledge of
this field from day 1. People like you contributed to them taking a long time to make any kind of real progress.
Congratulations
A fish out of water??
You will hate to hear this - but the Giants are in the middle of the pack in terms of their analytics, while you've claimed they are at the bottom or even the bottom.
There are still several teams that don't even have a Director of analytics.
What has become obvious over the months is that you guys beating the analytics drum were woefully off the mark in proclaiming that Gettleman was doing nothing and thet he'd likely continue to do nothing because he "shuns" it.
they are being disparaged for their performance and nothing else. The rest is just context supporting those points. They deserve that.
Your aren't even being clear in what you're supposedly clear about. Your last post about them being behind and "late to the party" is specifically targeted to their use of analytics, not their performance or record.
But this is par for the course. You aren't even able to communicate what you are clear on.
RE: You've been a fish out of water in your knowledge of
this field from day 1. People like you contributed to them taking a long time to make any kind of real progress.
Congratulations
It's silly to believe fans here on either side of the argument contributed to anything the Giants have or haven't done with regard to this subject. Neither you nor Fatman have influenced it.
RE: You've been a fish out of water in your knowledge of
timeouts in game. Holding onto 3 timeouts against the Saints at the end of the half TWO years ago. No folly in pointing that out.
No folly in pointing out allocating steep assets to an RB position especially when your team isn't ready to compete is not a smart thing to do.
My point was never that they were at the bottom. But the fact that they were in New York and not leveraging that to be on the cutting edge was negligent.
You can twist it however you like, that's what you love to do. But the fact is I really know advanced predictive systems, and you really don't. And I have no more time for this.
Smart businesses in modern times would be using feedback from BBI to gauge customer sentiment, just like you can use Twitter to gauge customer/fan sentiment. This board is better gauge then any social media platform because it is full of the NY Giants core demographics.
It’s not going to drive everything, such as the draft picks or player personnel decisions (though professional teams use gauges how much money a team will make by signing big FA players ie Phillies signing Harper was money driven data analysis), but they certainly factor fan sentiment into some of the decision making that they do.
The difference is that at the end of the day, just about anyone who spends their time posting on BBI is as loyal as fans get. The fans here are not at risk of rooting for another football team or picking up golf on Sundays instead. They're not going anywhere so the sentiment matters less than customer sentiment for an airline or a brand on Twitter where there are other very plausible options.
There are mostly assumptions that drive the analysis. Slight differences creates huge variability in outcomes.
I know we don’t lag, but we have some different assumptions that may or may not be applicable in the long term.
Having someone like Ty Siam is a slam dunk. He’s very good.
For those complaining about the Giants being behind the times, you should pay close attention to what Kicker says on the subject. If you've followed his posts on the Covid-19 thread, you'll see that he's quite qualified to opine on this subject.
RE: Recall I started this because the Giants didn't know how to use
timeouts in game. Holding onto 3 timeouts against the Saints at the end of the half TWO years ago. No folly in pointing that out.
Shanahan did the exact same thing in the Super Bowl. In fact it likely cost them the game. Are you blaming their lack of analytics experts? Of course not. Because it wasn’t the Giants.
The 49ers are roundly applauded for their analytics and still made the same in game decision as the Giants. Analytics are a tool. They aren’t the final decision maker. That’s on the coach.
So essentially, you have no freakin clue on how analytics played a role or didn’t play a role in not calling timeouts against the Saints. None.
Some people stare facts in the face and pretend they don't exist
Sometimes the best education anyone can get is just losing
I truly hope you've enjoyed being the guy on the titanic telling everyone that it would never sink. How could it, people at the top of their field built it, it was unsinkable.
For the record, my argument has always been that this front office could possibly win but they are severely limiting their upside by not embracing technological advancements. People are here on the record as saying they are working night and day to overhaul their practices now. I told you this in the middle of our arguments that I speak in shades and hedge my positions well.
Even if they win this year seems like it will be the result of finally taking the steps that myself and others were advocating.
I'm happy I was an advocate for progress as opposed to suggesting it was ridiculous to assume anything but the Giants were on top of innovation.
know him in the real world. I wouldn't suggest that he doesn't know what he's saying.
I would respectfully disagree with him that Siam is the right kind of hire to lead an advanced analytics effort. And he's been with the team for 4 years and 5 months. The results on the field would absolutely support that, it's been one of our worst runs of football in franchise history. If he was providing say the front office with top flight information and we had these results it would imply that the people running the show were of below average intelligence. So what in people's estimation is the issue? Great information bad people? Great people and bad information? Or what?
RE: RE: Recall I started this because the Giants didn't know how to use
timeouts in game. Holding onto 3 timeouts against the Saints at the end of the half TWO years ago. No folly in pointing that out.
Shanahan did the exact same thing in the Super Bowl. In fact it likely cost them the game. Are you blaming their lack of analytics experts? Of course not. Because it wasn’t the Giants.
The 49ers are roundly applauded for their analytics and still made the same in game decision as the Giants. Analytics are a tool. They aren’t the final decision maker. That’s on the coach.
So essentially, you have no freakin clue on how analytics played a role or didn’t play a role in not calling timeouts against the Saints. None.
He reminds me of my teen aged son who sometimes after he learns something about a topic proceeds to act like an expert on the topic and will dig in hard when arguing someone else is wrong about something related to the topic. Usually it ends with him sheepishly apologizing when something he didn't consider was pointed out to him. He is sharp and will soon learn to not react prematurely because it's all part of the maturing process teens must go through. Right now he just gets a little to enthused about something he has learned that he finds interesting. NoGain reminds me of that, just harmless enthusiasm from a fan on a topic he finds interesting.
But if your wife let no chance go by to tell you the car sucks, the house sucks, your job sucks, your past decisions suck and your beliefs suck...we all say maybe its time to tell her to STFU.
That's an apt metaphor, but I think it illustrates a different level of how personally invested some fans can be.
If someone insults the Giants, I don't feel as though my decision to root for them has been attacked as I would in the examples you provided. But perhaps some people do.
When taking a step back and realizing he's a single character in a play that's hopefully progressing from Cats to Tartuffe soon, I can muster more positivity.
When taking a step back and realizing he's a single character in a play that's hopefully progressing from Cats to Tartuffe soon, I can muster more positivity.
Hey, Cats doesn't really qualify as a pla...
Oh, I see... another apt metaphor.
Smiling and waving and looking so fine - ( New Window )
I challenged him a few times on copying the Patriots Way...
The Patriots Way only works with Bill Belichick.
Without Lil Bill - the Pats are the worst team in the league. Worse than Miami.
Maybe Odell
That's an interesting love triangle there
Awful ownership/managment/coaching and results for the better part of a decade SHOULD drive fans to a pretty negative and skeptical stance.
I'd rather read those posts any day of the week than 150 words of derpity-derp-derp deference to every single move the FO makes. (...which is not to say that anybody with anything positive to say is in that camp, but I personally find one a hell of a lot more grating than the other)
Sounds like a very stressful way to approach things.
What is this " I don't like to debate the unknowable" thing?
Clearly enough to merit and immediate issue and a long chapter in DSM-VI
i really think this what it comes down to. I like the discussions and debates but DG was always going to be defined by these next few years more than 2018-2019. The giants were never winning big those years anyway and anyone with half a brain knew so. We were hopeful for a run with Eli at the end, but they simply didnt have enough great talent to sustain anything worthwhile. Maybe they could have stolen 9-10 games in those years, but that was their ceiling. this was always a long game approach no matter what horse crap lip service we were fed from Mara, DG or anyone else.
So here we are, year 3 of the rebuild. New staff. Second year QB. DG can walk into the sunset a hero here if the Giants start to win again and 9 and no one will give a fuck about Solder, Omamahe, Stewart or 9 total wins over 2 seasons. None of that will matter if 2020 mimics 2005.
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but stopped doing because it ends up going nowhere.
Even if you are convinced DG is a moron and the Maras are incompetent, what does stating it over and over actually do? I get being critical, but it’s an obsession for some people like if you say it enough everyone else will agree to and we can storm MetLife and demand answers.
There have been several posters who said they continued to post it so that the team would take notice and take action. Terps was one of them. He said he would continue to say how shitty the team was being run because he knew people associated with the organization read BBI.
The guys railing about analytics said the same thing.
I chuckle at the image of Mara reading BBI and thinking that the poster who wants everyone on a rookie contract and would keep a stable of mobile QB's on the roster is the voice of reason that shows he should change his ways.
But that's what the reality is...
As someone that worked for the organization, they absolutely read BBI. Front office people 100% do.
What I don't think happens is that posts are used to drive moves or behavior. Or that there are paid shills on here.
So complaining over and over again with the goal of changing things is pretty futile. That's different from noticing, and I still have that funny image of Mara reading BBI.
What I don't think happens is that posts are used to drive moves or behavior. Or that there are paid shills on here.
So complaining over and over again with the goal of changing things is pretty futile. That's different from noticing, and I still have that funny image of Mara reading BBI.
Smart businesses in modern times would be using feedback from BBI to gauge customer sentiment, just like you can use Twitter to gauge customer/fan sentiment. This board is better gauge then any social media platform because it is full of the NY Giants core demographics.
It’s not going to drive everything, such as the draft picks or player personnel decisions (though professional teams use gauges how much money a team will make by signing big FA players ie Phillies signing Harper was money driven data analysis), but they certainly factor fan sentiment into some of the decision making that they do.
Sounds like a very stressful way to approach things.
What is this " I don't like to debate the unknowable" thing?
Clearly enough to merit and immediate issue and a long chapter in DSM-VI
LOL!
Some of the same posters who have vehemently argued that the Giants aren't a smart business, expect them to listen via this site:)
What some people miss time and time again is that you can be very smart and terrible at innovation. Two very different things.
The Giants still don't have any person with a math and computer science background with anything resembling a senior title in the organization which is an ongoing problem. That was the problem with calling people "computer guys" diminutive and still reflects a poor understanding the type of culture you need to attract high quality creative technologists.
But let's at least get back to the primary criticism; is posting your genuine feelings on the team heard?
The answer to that is an emphatic yes -- whether the Giants are operating in this century with a sophisticated social and customer sentiment monitoring service or tool, or if management/ownership is just reading the sports media.
The beat writers are a great example of this -- they all read BBI. They all lift from BBI.
Terps is 100% right, when you express your displeasure with the team in some small part that gets in front of management and ownership.
The Giants still don't have any person with a math and computer science background with anything resembling a senior title in the organization which is an ongoing problem. That was the problem with calling people "computer guys" diminutive and still reflects a poor understanding the type of culture you need to attract high quality creative technologists.
Jon Berger - Senior Director of Football Information
Jon Berger, who has been associated with the Giants for 38 years, is in his 13th season as the team's Senior Director of Football Information. Berger develops research reports for coaches, player personnel and management based on the analysis of statistical and tactical trends, and frequently makes presentation to players regarding strategy, game situations and rules interpretations. He works particularly closely with head coach Pat Shurmur and several members of the coaching staff.
Do you think those teams have good systems for predicting performance?
Do you think those teams have good systems for predicting performance?
Being of the opinion he is doing a poor job is an entirely different point than the one you made.
Prior to assuming his current position, Berger spent 21 years as the Giants' Director of Information Technology. In that position, he was responsible for maintaining the data network to assisting the coaching staff in analyzing tendencies and trends of both the Giants and their opponents.
Berger was first affiliated with the Giants organization in 1981, when he worked in the team's preseason training camp as an on-the-field assistant and later as an intern in the media services department.
After graduating from Stuyvesant High School, the Queens native attended the University at Albany, where he majored in computer science and mathematics, earning a B.S. degree and graduating Cum Laude with Dean's List honors in 1985. He was also a member of the Purple & Gold honor and service society. As an undergraduate Berger served as a computer science teaching assistant. After graduation, he remained at the University at Albany for another year as the computer coordinator for the physical education department, producing programs for all of the men's and women's intercollegiate teams.
And the point is that you wouldn't call someone you respected as a senior member of your organization a "computer guy" that's like calling a scout a "stopwatch guy"
If you knew what the Giants are actually doing in this space ( six days a week) since season end you would ask gidie to delete
Them working now doesn't mean they aren't shamefully late to the party. They deserve every bit of the hard time they've gotten from me and others
Them working now doesn't mean they aren't shamefully late to the party. They deserve every bit of the hard time they've gotten from me and others
That's bullshit.
Because you are operating from a base opinion that you KNOW what they have been doing, when it has been painfully obvious you don't. If you start the argument at the premise the Giants haven't done anything, then any move they make is going to be viewed as being late to the party.
And as pointed out above, you don't even have a clue of the qualifications of the very people you disparage.
Congratulations
I know we don’t lag, but we have some different assumptions that may or may not be applicable in the long term.
Having someone like Ty Siam is a slam dunk. He’s very good.
Congratulations
A fish out of water??
You will hate to hear this - but the Giants are in the middle of the pack in terms of their analytics, while you've claimed they are at the bottom or even the bottom.
There are still several teams that don't even have a Director of analytics.
What has become obvious over the months is that you guys beating the analytics drum were woefully off the mark in proclaiming that Gettleman was doing nothing and thet he'd likely continue to do nothing because he "shuns" it.
I think most of the board realizes your folly.
Your aren't even being clear in what you're supposedly clear about. Your last post about them being behind and "late to the party" is specifically targeted to their use of analytics, not their performance or record.
But this is par for the course. You aren't even able to communicate what you are clear on.
Congratulations
It's silly to believe fans here on either side of the argument contributed to anything the Giants have or haven't done with regard to this subject. Neither you nor Fatman have influenced it.
Congratulations
You can’t be serious with that
He thinks the Giants haven't implemented analytics because the fans have generally been happy and supportive.
And even as I type that, I'm snarting shit out of my nose.
No folly in pointing out allocating steep assets to an RB position especially when your team isn't ready to compete is not a smart thing to do.
My point was never that they were at the bottom. But the fact that they were in New York and not leveraging that to be on the cutting edge was negligent.
You can twist it however you like, that's what you love to do. But the fact is I really know advanced predictive systems, and you really don't. And I have no more time for this.
You are a Peach, Captain Analytics!!
If you really know advanced predictive systems, you are incredibly poor at communicating that expertise.
Smart businesses in modern times would be using feedback from BBI to gauge customer sentiment, just like you can use Twitter to gauge customer/fan sentiment. This board is better gauge then any social media platform because it is full of the NY Giants core demographics.
It’s not going to drive everything, such as the draft picks or player personnel decisions (though professional teams use gauges how much money a team will make by signing big FA players ie Phillies signing Harper was money driven data analysis), but they certainly factor fan sentiment into some of the decision making that they do.
The difference is that at the end of the day, just about anyone who spends their time posting on BBI is as loyal as fans get. The fans here are not at risk of rooting for another football team or picking up golf on Sundays instead. They're not going anywhere so the sentiment matters less than customer sentiment for an airline or a brand on Twitter where there are other very plausible options.
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But the fact is I really know advanced predictive systems, and you really don't. And I have no more time for this.
You are a Peach, Captain Analytics!!
If you really know advanced predictive systems, you are incredibly poor at communicating that expertise.
Well, he is a CEO. That's what his profile says.
I know we don’t lag, but we have some different assumptions that may or may not be applicable in the long term.
Having someone like Ty Siam is a slam dunk. He’s very good.
For those complaining about the Giants being behind the times, you should pay close attention to what Kicker says on the subject. If you've followed his posts on the Covid-19 thread, you'll see that he's quite qualified to opine on this subject.
Shanahan did the exact same thing in the Super Bowl. In fact it likely cost them the game. Are you blaming their lack of analytics experts? Of course not. Because it wasn’t the Giants.
The 49ers are roundly applauded for their analytics and still made the same in game decision as the Giants. Analytics are a tool. They aren’t the final decision maker. That’s on the coach.
So essentially, you have no freakin clue on how analytics played a role or didn’t play a role in not calling timeouts against the Saints. None.
Sometimes the best education anyone can get is just losing
I truly hope you've enjoyed being the guy on the titanic telling everyone that it would never sink. How could it, people at the top of their field built it, it was unsinkable.
For the record, my argument has always been that this front office could possibly win but they are severely limiting their upside by not embracing technological advancements. People are here on the record as saying they are working night and day to overhaul their practices now. I told you this in the middle of our arguments that I speak in shades and hedge my positions well.
Even if they win this year seems like it will be the result of finally taking the steps that myself and others were advocating.
I'm happy I was an advocate for progress as opposed to suggesting it was ridiculous to assume anything but the Giants were on top of innovation.
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But the fact is I really know advanced predictive systems, and you really don't. And I have no more time for this.
You are a Peach, Captain Analytics!!
If you really know advanced predictive systems, you are incredibly poor at communicating that expertise.
Well, he is a CEO. That's what his profile says.
Haha. Riiiight.
If I want to post sumptin when I dont know nothing I will. You dont own me. This is a Merica! I got rights. I can piss on myself whenever I want.
If I dont want to ever learn you cant take my freedom.
Commie.
I would respectfully disagree with him that Siam is the right kind of hire to lead an advanced analytics effort. And he's been with the team for 4 years and 5 months. The results on the field would absolutely support that, it's been one of our worst runs of football in franchise history. If he was providing say the front office with top flight information and we had these results it would imply that the people running the show were of below average intelligence. So what in people's estimation is the issue? Great information bad people? Great people and bad information? Or what?
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timeouts in game. Holding onto 3 timeouts against the Saints at the end of the half TWO years ago. No folly in pointing that out.
Shanahan did the exact same thing in the Super Bowl. In fact it likely cost them the game. Are you blaming their lack of analytics experts? Of course not. Because it wasn’t the Giants.
The 49ers are roundly applauded for their analytics and still made the same in game decision as the Giants. Analytics are a tool. They aren’t the final decision maker. That’s on the coach.
So essentially, you have no freakin clue on how analytics played a role or didn’t play a role in not calling timeouts against the Saints. None.
He reminds me of my teen aged son who sometimes after he learns something about a topic proceeds to act like an expert on the topic and will dig in hard when arguing someone else is wrong about something related to the topic. Usually it ends with him sheepishly apologizing when something he didn't consider was pointed out to him. He is sharp and will soon learn to not react prematurely because it's all part of the maturing process teens must go through. Right now he just gets a little to enthused about something he has learned that he finds interesting. NoGain reminds me of that, just harmless enthusiasm from a fan on a topic he finds interesting.