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NFT: Zoom meetings are much better than meatspace meetings

Gary from The East End : Admin : 3/26/2020 4:48 pm
I hate to say that there are positives to the terrible pandemic, but it's true that teleconference meetings, either by Zoom or Microsoft Teams, are just so much better than meeting in person.

I can just sit in my chair. I don't have to go anywhere and find a free conference room. I can even check e-mail or do work on my second screen.

I hope we can keep them, even when it's OK to be within six feet of people again
I saw Zoom has a free account  
robbieballs2003 : 3/26/2020 4:55 pm : link
They do unlimited 1 on 1. But if you have 3 or more they put a 40 min. limit on it. When does that limit end? 24 hours? Or do they just end the call and you can do a new one later?
so true  
TJ : 3/26/2020 5:03 pm : link
I should not even be in at least 1/3 of the meetings I'm expected to attend. And my involvement is minimal in at least another 1/2.

The ability to actually accomplish something while attending virtual meetings boosts my productivity. Plus people can't see the faces I make when they say something idiotic.
RE: I saw Zoom has a free account  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/26/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14850730 robbieballs2003 said:
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They do unlimited 1 on 1. But if you have 3 or more they put a 40 min. limit on it. When does that limit end? 24 hours? Or do they just end the call and you can do a new one later?

It’s per meeting, not per day. Paid plans with no limit are available also, and are pretty reasonable.
RE: so true  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/26/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14850737 TJ said:
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I should not even be in at least 1/3 of the meetings I'm expected to attend. And my involvement is minimal in at least another 1/2.

The ability to actually accomplish something while attending virtual meetings boosts my productivity. Plus people can't see the faces I make when they say something idiotic.

I heard someone say  
Matt in SGS : 3/26/2020 5:11 pm : link
that one of the good things about this is we are going to find out what meetings could be done just with an email.
I heard Zoom is waiving the limitation during the pandemic  
widmerseyebrow : 3/26/2020 5:15 pm : link
Is that true?
Never heard of Zoom prior to this week  
NYG27 : 3/26/2020 5:19 pm : link
Now, everyone is using it from work, family\friends and even a schedule doctors visit will be conducted over video on Zoom.

All that said, it is pretty easy to use and I like it much better than Microsoft Teams.
Zoom and Teams  
11 to 89 : 3/26/2020 5:19 pm : link
are also handling the surge in bandwidth needs well also. Pretty much no issue at all. Webex, Goto Meeting and Skype on the other hand ...
Zoom and Teams  
11 to 89 : 3/26/2020 5:20 pm : link
are also handling the surge in bandwidth needs well. Pretty much no issue at all. Webex, Goto Meeting and Skype on the other hand ...
RE: I heard Zoom is waiving the limitation during the pandemic  
Ben in Tampa : 3/26/2020 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14850746 widmerseyebrow said:
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Is that true?


I was on a call today and they waived it. I got a pop up at about 35 minutes telling me we keep going.
RE: Zoom and Teams  
Ben in Tampa : 3/26/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14850751 11 to 89 said:
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are also handling the surge in bandwidth needs well also. Pretty much no issue at all. Webex, Goto Meeting and Skype on the other hand ...


I have friends who work at Microsoft who tell me Skype is being sunset for Teams in general, so it’s not surprising it’s not holding up well.

I’ve used Zoom for years, it is THE best service. The founder/ceo Eric Yuan is a rock star. He worked at WebEx, said “this could be so much better”, then quit and founded Zoom.
Microsoft Teams  
Johnny5 : 3/26/2020 5:46 pm : link
Teams has been my work life for over a year now. Most of us block our cameras though... lol
yep been on it all day  
Stu11 : 3/26/2020 5:58 pm : link
working as an OT in a school I'm a total newb to this tech for meetings and its great. Zoom is one company thats going to make an absolute killing on this as well they should. They've created a great product and made it readilly available in a time of need. Stephanie Rhule on MSNBC referenced to this a few weeks back that even when this whole pandemic thing is over this is going to change our system forever. There will be a lot less business travel and the success of remote work will really turn on the light bulb for a lot of companies. Obviously working with students in a school this won't affect us as much but who knows.
Are Zoom and RIng Central owned by the same company  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/26/2020 6:01 pm : link
I use Ring Central Meetings for work, and I've found that the interface for both RC and Zoom are the exact same in terms of the design and location of different buttons/features.

Using it for meetings, as well as virtual happy hours with our couple friends has been great.
My company has been using Zoom  
pjcas18 : 3/26/2020 6:15 pm : link
for years. I like it. Skype for business is the worst.

I didn't realize Zoom doesn't have passcodes though. I thought you could restrict meeting access to those people you invite though, I think.

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Zack Whittaker
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This is pretty horrifying: A school in Norway has stopped using Zoom after a naked man "guessed" a meeting link used for a video lesson.

Security researchers said last year that guessing Zoom meeting links was pretty easy because many don't use passcodes.
RE: Are Zoom and RIng Central owned by the same company  
Josh in the City : 3/26/2020 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14850776 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I use Ring Central Meetings for work, and I've found that the interface for both RC and Zoom are the exact same in terms of the design and location of different buttons/features.

Using it for meetings, as well as virtual happy hours with our couple friends has been great.

RingCentral licenses zoom for their video calls/meeting technology.
My wife is an Enterprise Rep for Zoom  
John formerly in CharlotteNC : 3/26/2020 6:24 pm : link

She is absolutely slammed....great product
RE: Microsoft Teams  
Darth Paul : 3/26/2020 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14850764 Johnny5 said:
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Teams has been my work life for over a year now. Most of us block our cameras though... lol


Teams is pretty sweet. We all use cameras, especially now. Company wants us video chatting with clients as well.
Videoconference has its upside,  
81_Great_Dane : 3/26/2020 7:37 pm : link
especially if you're not really participating in the meeting.

But after two weeks of isolation (except for my wife) I'm finding myself pretty on edge.
RE: RE: Microsoft Teams  
Johnny5 : 3/26/2020 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14850793 Darth Paul said:
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In comment 14850764 Johnny5 said:


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Teams has been my work life for over a year now. Most of us block our cameras though... lol



Teams is pretty sweet. We all use cameras, especially now. Company wants us video chatting with clients as well.


Yeah I agree. I love the way it integrates with Outlook. I had to give a data center tour to a big customer last Monday, due to the virus only 2 of them made it. So I joined the teams meeting with my iphone and shared my video while we walked the space, and able to point out everything while those on the call asked. Worked really well. And somehow I was steady enough to not Blair witch project it... lol
Everyone has to use it now  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 3/26/2020 7:54 pm : link
So, when this is all over and someone says, why don't we save some time and do this on Teams or Zoom, nobody is going to have the excuse that they can't or don't know how. It will be just another thing everyone has to be able to do like e-mail.

This has been coming for a long time, this just accelerated the adoption by a few years.
RE: Everyone has to use it now  
Del Shofner : 3/26/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14850879 Gary from The East End said:
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So, when this is all over and someone says, why don't we save some time and do this on Teams or Zoom, nobody is going to have the excuse that they can't or don't know how. It will be just another thing everyone has to be able to do like e-mail.

This has been coming for a long time, this just accelerated the adoption by a few years.


Agree completely. I wasn't much of a Zoom user two weeks ago and now I use it pretty much every day.
consider risk due to Zoom's development team in China  
jcp56 : 3/26/2020 8:30 pm : link
I've used to use WebEx, but I mostly use Skype for Business (which I don't really care for) since WebEx is owned by Cisco, a competitor to one of my clients.

Be careful of potential security risk/exposure with Zoom though, since most of its development team is based in China. I'd be leary about the Chinese government leaning on someone there to get access.
another vote for Zoom  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/26/2020 8:53 pm : link
excellent conferencing environment
RE: consider risk due to Zoom's development team in China  
Eli Wilson : 3/26/2020 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14850907 jcp56 said:
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I've used to use WebEx, but I mostly use Skype for Business (which I don't really care for) since WebEx is owned by Cisco, a competitor to one of my clients.

Be careful of potential security risk/exposure with Zoom though, since most of its development team is based in China. I'd be leary about the Chinese government leaning on someone there to get access.


What is ironic is that our students in China cannot access Zoom since it's blocked by the Chinese firewall.
WebEx  
Trainmaster : 3/26/2020 9:32 pm : link
Due to ITAR/EAR requirements.
RE: My company has been using Zoom  
newjacksm : 3/27/2020 2:22 am : link
In comment 14850780 pjcas18 said:
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for years. I like it. Skype for business is the worst.

I didn't realize Zoom doesn't have passcodes though. I thought you could restrict meeting access to those people you invite though, I think.

They do have passcodes, the user or administrator has to enable it.

Seems like bad practice. Zoom meetings are easily guessable because the links to get into zoom meetings are xx.zoom.com/[9 alphanumeric codes]

now put someone whos bored at home knows a little programming or a few tools out on the web to automate a guessing game 1-9 and a-z on 9 digits and characters and they're bound to hit. It's not uncommon for businesses to not put passwords on meetings because its just convenient.


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Zack Whittaker
@zackwhittaker
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This is pretty horrifying: A school in Norway has stopped using Zoom after a naked man "guessed" a meeting link used for a video lesson.

Security researchers said last year that guessing Zoom meeting links was pretty easy because many don't use passcodes.

Zoom  
newjacksm : 3/27/2020 2:23 am : link
^^^^^ seems like I screwed up something..
Original post I posted.
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Seems like bad practice. Zoom meetings are easily guessable because the links to get into zoom meetings are xx.zoom.com/[9 alphanumeric codes]

now put someone whos bored at home knows a little programming or a few tools out on the web to automate a guessing game 1-9 and a-z on 9 digits and characters and they're bound to hit. It's not uncommon for businesses to not put passwords on meetings because its just convenient.
RE: RE: RE: Microsoft Teams  
Darth Paul : 3/27/2020 6:49 am : link
In comment 14850872 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14850764 Johnny5 said:


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Teams has been my work life for over a year now. Most of us block our cameras though... lol



Teams is pretty sweet. We all use cameras, especially now. Company wants us video chatting with clients as well.



Yeah I agree. I love the way it integrates with Outlook. I had to give a data center tour to a big customer last Monday, due to the virus only 2 of them made it. So I joined the teams meeting with my iphone and shared my video while we walked the space, and able to point out everything while those on the call asked. Worked really well. And somehow I was steady enough to not Blair witch project it... lol


We went to Office 365 awhile back. Can now access all of these tools just from a browser, so basically any device can be used.
They are fine but let’s be real not even in same  
bhill410 : 3/27/2020 7:37 am : link
League as an in person meeting. Also most people don’t use these with cameras. 90% of my meetings are on chime (the worst) and i don’t think I have had one with video enabled once. People don’t like being viewed on a camera and I don’t think any of this will change that.
I've worked remote for nearly 5 years at my current company  
Scyber : 3/27/2020 9:30 am : link
Fortunately my company is fairly remote friendly due to the workforce being split between 2 office. And one office is engineering and one is product, so it forced video conferencing as a necessity. So jumping on a conference call is rather routine. We have a few remote employees so it was rare that I was the only one not in a conference room.

That said, the current situation has definitely reduced my FOMO concerns. As a fully remote employee there were definitely some "water cooler" conversations over the years that I got left out of. My company has been very good about bringing me into the loop, but I could see how that could be an issue at other companies.
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