The video really shows why he'll be a better, safer prospect working on the inside. His technique needs a lot of work on the edge. His footwork, anticipation and response to adversity when it doesn't go well make it clear. I believe he correctly has Wirfs as his OT #4 in this class.
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...as the best one. Cossell has Wills as the best as do many others(they all have their favorites as do we)and frankly he has a better track record than dave that I've followed for years. Jeremiah has Becton. Everyone misses.
I would actually prefer to hear what you guys think. I read the draft pundits. I already know what they think. I don't need to enter into conversations here to get that stuff. It's much more interesting to get the fanbase perspective. Why bother posting someone elses ideas.
I find it kind of funny that you are parroting draft people to make your argument, showing a YouTube video of another guy sharing his opinion, and then say I would prefer to hear what you guys think.
To top it off when people tell you what they think you treat them like they are idiots and insult scouts who don’t agree with you. Wirf is not an OG and will probably be very good. So will Wills maybe. Becton also. Thomas is clearly the safest pick tho. If you want to talk tape that is. I mean that is what you care about then Thomas should be your guy.
Low EQ.
Lol that may be the core issue leading him to Wirfs in this case. Though Wills is very strong and explosive in his own right.
Yes, very much so.
Not that there aren't some decent football opinions on BBI, but I think that credibility dissipates pretty quickly when you start talking about offensive line play and clearly when it moves to projecting OL play at another level.
I really do think it boils down to what the Chargers want to do. Do they want an OT, a QB or Simmons.
I agree Becton or Wills will be the better pick but almost every year we get a few clues about who the Gmen really like. We've heard multiple reports about Wirfs and maybe a one off here and there about anyone else.
This doesn't count opinions thrown out there on who we SHOULD draft but analysts coming back saying they are hearing DG loves Wirfs.
This doesn't count opinions thrown out there on who we SHOULD draft but analysts coming back saying they are hearing DG loves Wirfs.
Vacchiano is also usually pretty good with this kind of thing in particular and he's been saying it repeatedly.
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This doesn't count opinions thrown out there on who we SHOULD draft but analysts coming back saying they are hearing DG loves Wirfs.
Vacchiano is also usually pretty good with this kind of thing in particular and he's been saying it repeatedly.
Vacchiano has over the years been one of the most if not the top inside beat guy.
He's saying Wirfs and that is a bit worrisome. Because we could end up taking the B tackle (but maybe a grade A OG) instead of the A or A+ Left Tackle in Wills or Becton.
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This doesn't count opinions thrown out there on who we SHOULD draft but analysts coming back saying they are hearing DG loves Wirfs.
Vacchiano is also usually pretty good with this kind of thing in particular and he's been saying it repeatedly.
Vacchiano has over the years been one of the most if not the top inside beat guy.
He's saying Wirfs and that is a bit worrisome. Because we could end up taking the B tackle (but maybe a grade A OG) instead of the A or A+ Left Tackle in Wills or Becton.
Or Wills and Becton would be the B tackle and Wirfs the A or A+... I love it when people like a player and they act like they are experts on the matter. My favorite thing to do also.
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This doesn't count opinions thrown out there on who we SHOULD draft but analysts coming back saying they are hearing DG loves Wirfs.
Vacchiano is also usually pretty good with this kind of thing in particular and he's been saying it repeatedly.
Vacchiano has over the years been one of the most if not the top inside beat guy.
He's saying Wirfs and that is a bit worrisome. Because we could end up taking the B tackle (but maybe a grade A OG) instead of the A or A+ Left Tackle in Wills or Becton.
Or Wills and Becton would be the B tackle and Wirfs the A or A+... I love it when people like a player and they act like they are experts on the matter. My favorite thing to do also.
Lol I would love to be wrong Am. But the film shows for all the athleticism very tight and coiled movement when it comes to pass pro. He got away with it in College because he can dominate on that ridiculous athleticism alone but this will be exposed on the NFL level. Cosell and Tucker and Jeremiah all seem to have the same take.
Yet with Wills I see the Point Gaurd background coming out which is excellent for the tackle position in terms of quick footwork, peripheral vision, awareness and anticipation. Love the sum of the parts with him the intangible/tangible package coming together for an amazing LT prospect with very little holes in his game.
Thomas has pretty great athleticism (not as much as Wills), but he has a great size for the position, incredible length, large hands...he's got a great body for the position, enough really good tape, is nasty vs the run and shows enough competence in the pass game to project to a very good LT in the NFL.
At this stage, I kind of prefer him, but I'm still early in my evaluation. I do definitely like him over Wirfs, even though I can acknowledge that Wirfs may end up being an absolutely dominant OG in the NFL.
I really wish Becton had done more at the combine than just 40 and bench. There's definitely less to go on with fewer visits and no Pro Days this year.
But I want to say, Torrag, I'm glad you posted this. For my money, nobody I've seen on YouTube breaks down OL play better than Voch Lombardi. And he is a former OL himself, he understands the techniques, fundamentals, and footwork necessary to be successful and does a great job communicating that to his audience. I do weight his opinion over a LOT of guys specifically when it comes to OL play.
Try the second one because it's obvious the opinions I've shared on this site are my own. I've arrived at them by watching college football and what video is available post season.
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This doesn't count opinions thrown out there on who we SHOULD draft but analysts coming back saying they are hearing DG loves Wirfs.
Vacchiano is also usually pretty good with this kind of thing in particular and he's been saying it repeatedly.
Vacchiano has over the years been one of the most if not the top inside beat guy.
He's saying Wirfs and that is a bit worrisome. Because we could end up taking the B tackle (but maybe a grade A OG) instead of the A or A+ Left Tackle in Wills or Becton.
Or Wills and Becton would be the B tackle and Wirfs the A or A+... I love it when people like a player and they act like they are experts on the matter. My favorite thing to do also.
Lol I would love to be wrong Am. But the film shows for all the athleticism very tight and coiled movement when it comes to pass pro. He got away with it in College because he can dominate on that ridiculous athleticism alone but this will be exposed on the NFL level. Cosell and Tucker and Jeremiah all seem to have the same take.
Yet with Wills I see the Point Gaurd background coming out which is excellent for the tackle position in terms of quick footwork, peripheral vision, awareness and anticipation. Love the sum of the parts with him the intangible/tangible package coming together for an amazing LT prospect with very little holes in his game.
This is the best JerseyJoe post in awhile. Checks every box
So if some people have Wirfs rated higher, it probably isn’t because they think he was a better college player. They like his upside to be a better NFL player. There’s a huge difference.
Again I like Wirfs but he has issues and not just one. Issues Wills doesn't have. Wills is a combination of playing at a high level in both phases vs the best college football competition, good technique and upside.
As far as Becton goes he's just a different kind of specimen. I started out with him as OT #4 and he's up to #2. He's proving he has the work ethic and mindset to exploit his off the charts physical gifts.
Thomas is the second safest as he's going to be a terrific run blocker, is battle tested vs elite competition. I like his wide base and shoulder/hip orientations at contact better than Wirfs.
Wirfs had 3 years of superior coaching. Wills the same. One looks so much more natural in pass pro (Wills) the other doesn't .
Conversely, Becton did NOT have good coaching. Coaches son who apparently was not a good OL coach then saw improvement under a better coach his junior year .