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Top 5 pick- what should there criteria be?

DG talked about the Gold Jacket angle before taking Barkley. Looking at this years highly rated players, which ones “could” hit that mark.? Saquon was kind of a slam dunk, usually there’s a bit of projection involved. Skipping QBs, I see guys like Young, Simmons and maybe Brown getting to that level Both lineman have been extremely disruptive at the college level and project that way in the pros. Simmons is harder to project, but he was just as disruptive in college because of ELITE speed and quickness. If put in the proper system, he could also reach that level.
The O lineman. This is really meant to be the focus of this thread. When I look at the common top 4, only two seem to me to be able to get to the Gold Jacket level. Wirfs and Becton. Wirfs because of his age and athleticism and Becton because of his size/ athletic combo. If DG is picking at 4 or 6 and wants to draft OL, I hope it’s one of these two. The other two are relatively ordinary. Discuss
Benton probably has highest ceiling  
But lowest floor and highest risk
Age  
UGADawgs7 : 4:11 pm : link
What do you mean? All 4 are in the 20-21 year old range.
RE: Benton probably has highest ceiling  
GFAN52 : 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14852415 George from PA said:
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But lowest floor and highest risk


You mean Becton?
If it goes Burrow, Young, Tua (as I project)  
SGMen : 4:20 pm : link
the safest "Gold Jacket" is CB Okudah. Is it a position of "need" for the team right now? NO

But I guarantee he is our best DB if drafted as a rookie. Yes, better than all the players we have now including Baker, Bradlee, Beal, Ballantine, etc.
Gold Jacket should not be a criterion  
For OL. We need above average or even competent guys that can play well together.

I'd go with Thompson on a trade down.
Clemson’s  
tyrik13 : 4:26 pm : link
Isaiah Simmons
An OT whose last name starts with a "W"  
PatersonPlank : 4:28 pm : link
that should be the criteria
Jay I agree with you  
BUT for the purpose of THIS discussion, we must assume that’s the criteria (DG will), and we WILL be taking an OL. The “who would you take” is for another discussion.
PP- nothing about Wills  
strikes me as special. Solid yes special no. Not Gold Jacket material to me. Thomas “should” be better than he is. Don’t see Gold Jacket there either. Now if we are picking 9 or later after a trade down, any of them is fine. But that’s not the point of this discussion.
Take the more likely Gold Jacket Defender  
at 4,5 or 6 and get your OL later in the draft.

As stated by many we need upgrades on the OL, not necessarily all pros or even above average. At this point if you told me we could add an average/slightly better than avg OT and C to man those positions adequately for the next 10 years I'd do cartwheels!

My ideal scenario would be a trade back to 6 and get Young/Okudah/Simmons?Brown and then the best OT and C with the next two picks.

Then still plenty of picks to add flyers at WR, FS etc.
RE: PP- nothing about Wills  
PatersonPlank : 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14852449 Dave on the UWS said:
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strikes me as special. Solid yes special no. Not Gold Jacket material to me. Thomas “should” be better than he is. Don’t see Gold Jacket there either. Now if we are picking 9 or later after a trade down, any of them is fine. But that’s not the point of this discussion.


I really like Wirfs and Wills is growing on me, thats why I said "W". Thomas for sure will be good also, but since this is all personal opinion I put him 3rd. Really out of those 3 you can't go wrong. At #4 we should have our choice.

What I don't want to do is go into next season with a starting line of Gates-Zeitler-Pio-Hernandez-Solder. That would be a disaster, but this will happen if we ignore the OL in the draft (as some want to do). We can get a starting OT at #4 and then a starting C in the 2nd round. Now we will have 3 young talented OL starters, Barkley, DJ, and Slayton to build around.
Pio is NOT being tendered  
so I don’t think he’s being resigned- which means a new center next year. This is a HIGH priority.
RE: Pio is NOT being tendered  
PatersonPlank : 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14852480 Dave on the UWS said:
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so I don’t think he’s being resigned- which means a new center next year. This is a HIGH priority.


Oops, I forgot that. So then Pulley, just as bad. What's the point of spending top picks on DJ and Barkley if you have Gates and Pulley in front of them.
If you're picking 4, 5, or 6  
BillT : 5:32 pm : link
And you're taking Wirfs or Becton you are potentially getting players that may never live up to that pick. Wirfs has been regularly talked about as possibly better at guard. Becton is the greenest and least ready to immediately contribute. They are both combine heros who were considered good players but who's major buzz came about because of their combine performance. They don't inspire confidence in me as top 5 picks.
RE: RE: PP- nothing about Wills  
Bruner4329 : 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14852475 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14852449 Dave on the UWS said:


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strikes me as special. Solid yes special no. Not Gold Jacket material to me. Thomas “should” be better than he is. Don’t see Gold Jacket there either. Now if we are picking 9 or later after a trade down, any of them is fine. But that’s not the point of this discussion.



I really like Wirfs and Wills is growing on me, thats why I said "W". Thomas for sure will be good also, but since this is all personal opinion I put him 3rd. Really out of those 3 you can't go wrong. At #4 we should have our choice.

What I don't want to do is go into next season with a starting line of Gates-Zeitler-Pio-Hernandez-Solder. That would be a disaster, but this will happen if we ignore the OL in the draft (as some want to do). We can get a starting OT at #4 and then a starting C in the 2nd round. Now we will have 3 young talented OL starters, Barkley, DJ, and Slayton to build around.


It won't happen because Pio is not on the roster. Also if we choose an OT it should not be with the 4th pick. They should try and trade down to 6th or 7th. I do not think any one of the OTs really stand out ahead of the other as you even inferred so one of them will be available with any pick between 6-10 IMO. Taking one of these OTs is an over reach at 4.
That whole gold jacket thing is just Gettleman being Gettleman  
Milton : 5:33 pm : link
The criterion should be value plain and simple. In this particular case, I believe the best value will be in trade. I'm normally against trading down. In fact I can't recall the last time I favored it, but this year I do based on the premium that the league puts on the QB position and the fact that the Giants already have one.
I've used that term too ...  
Manny in CA : 5:46 pm : link

"Gold Jacket", but from a strict definition, point-of-view it mostly doesn't apply. Out of the 23,204 men that have played in the NFL, only 326 are in the HOF, only 1.4%.

Elite is probably a better term; intelligence, speed, agility and consistent proven on-the-field performance - that's what sets these players apart.
I’ll use a different term  
Biteymax22 : 5:58 pm : link
Impact. They have to make an impact on my team, no just be a guy thats there and does his thing. Barkley is an impact player when healthy.

Okudah is an impact player, as is Simmons if the coaching staff uses him correctly.

Any of the tackles that keep Jones standing up make an impact.
You have to see an All Pro at his position for multiple years...  
Torrag : 5:59 pm : link
and he has to be ready to start and play at a high level now.

That's my criteria in the Top 6.
Torrag seems to be the only one  
who gets the point of this thread. It’s to just focus on the OL candidates and do you think any will be a special, special player. If so, why? So many responses here belong in another thread. I made my case for Wirfs and Becton. Make the case for Wills and Thomas, or refute my points.
Gold jacket potential  
at as much a premium position as possible with tolerable risk.

Becton, Wills ,Simmons (because of versatility), Okudah fit this bill . Wirfs risk is just too high for LT.

Obviously marrying need plays a role for all players within the same tier.

The only generational guy in his own tier is Young. But with him likely gone...Becton Wills Simmons Okudah all in same row (i.e grade range) . Take the OT as it is bigger team impact for current team make-up/ personnel .
I figured since we are all stuck at home  
a lively football discussion would’ve be welcome.
Ok Dave, direct answer  
IMHO none of the Tackles are likely to become elite or Gold Jacket. Impactful yes, more so than a better or similarly ranked players at other positions? I don’t think so.

Much depends on how much of a drop off you think there is between the top 4 and next several OL available later on.
Hope - that’s very plausible  
AND possible. That’s why I would favor a trade down. Why do you think none of the 4 could be “elite”?
Becton will be the pick  
Earl the goat : 7:30 pm : link
And for all of those who think defense in first round. Remember protecting your two most important assets. Jones and Barkley
Nowadays  
ghost718 : 7:32 pm : link
You can do what Richard Dreyfus did in Let It Ride,go down to the track and take a survey.But since there is no track available,Twitter can take it's place.
Whoever the OL  
OC2.0 : 7:48 pm : link
they might go with doesn't need to be "Gold Jacket". However, at 4 he better be ready to start & make a solid contibution today. Anything for the better is gravy
I wrote this in another thread. I’ll reiterate it here:  
The_Boss : 3/29/2020 9:07 am : link
If you’re picking in the top 5, you had better be picking someone who projects as a potential perennial pro bowler at best. At worst, a guy who is top 5 at his position. Asking for an All Pro or HOF’er is unrealistic for any player, really. There are maybe a handful of players in this draft you could say that about and unfortunately, I don’t think any are the OT’s. Guys like Young, Brown, Okudah, and perhaps Lamb and/or Jeudy. I’m not including Simmons because I’m not sure what position he’ll play and I’m also skeptical of his ability to be a very good player at the nfl level.
Boss- I could agree  
Dave on the UWS : 3/29/2020 11:48 am : link
with that analysis for a top 5 pick (its actually how I look at it). Wirfs and Becton are “possible”. It is a significant projection but I think Garrett and Columbo know what they are doing. I believe they will be able to develop people. We haven’t had that in a long time.
We will go BPA or trade down. None of the OL are top ten talent.  
TMS : 3/29/2020 3:09 pm : link
never mind top four. Most will end as guards at the next level or cut.
Are we convinced should we take Simmons in this draft  
TMS : 3/29/2020 4:08 pm : link
Patrick Graham and Judge will know how to use his speciall skill set in our defense. Sure this is already generating discussion. Because at #4 or later he will probably be BPA.
As I said before  
Carl in CT : 3/30/2020 8:16 am : link
People in the room love Brown. Not saying he is their guy. Don’t be surprised as this board is talking OL and Simmons most of the time.
RE: As I said before  
The_Boss : 3/30/2020 9:24 am : link
In comment 14853828 Carl in CT said:
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People in the room love Brown. Not saying he is their guy. Don’t be surprised as this board is talking OL and Simmons most of the time.


I believe you. I’d be on board with Brown as I think he’s one of the very few true blue chips in this draft. I just don’t get how he’d fit along a crowded DL. Now, if they were to rescind the tag on LW and get Clowney then draft Brown? Now we’re talking.
That he can start right away  
Rolyrock : 3/30/2020 9:13 pm : link
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