NY Post: Giants FA signings review

If you assume that Bradberry replaces Jenkins and Martinez replaces Ogletree, are they that much better? Maybe they’re both upgrades but is it anything to get excited about? Ogletree’s main deficiency was pass coverage as is Martinez. If Fackrell was tha good, why did GB feel the need to sign 2 edge rushers, both of whom seem way better than our guy. Gettleman had a ton of money to sign free agents . I’m not convinced that this defense is measurably better than last years pitiful,defense.

In comment 14852544 Samiam said:

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If you assume that Bradberry replaces Jenkins and Martinez replaces Ogletree, are they that much better? Maybe they’re both upgrades but is it anything to get excited about? Ogletree’s main deficiency was pass coverage as is Martinez. If Fackrell was tha good, why did GB feel the need to sign 2 edge rushers, both of whom seem way better than our guy. Gettleman had a ton of money to sign free agents . I’m not convinced that this defense is measurably better than last years pitiful,defense.

I dint think it’s a one step approach. The draft is the most critical aspect of team building, isn’t it? Let’s wIt to see how they look after it’s all said and done.

Can this mean they carry a 4th TE, could it mean they’re leaning heavily towards an OT and are bringing as many blocking TEs as they can have to compete for an extra hand in blocking on Solders side or to help out said rookie OT?

I agree with your comment on the draft. But, having spent most of a huge amount of CAP space on the defense, I would have thought that the defense would look much better than what was a horrible defense last year. For now, it looks marginally better.

In comment 14852549 UGADawgs7 said:

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Can this mean they carry a 4th TE, could it mean they’re leaning heavily towards an OT and are bringing as many blocking TEs as they can have to compete for an extra hand in blocking on Solders side or to help out said rookie OT?

I think it means that their plans for this offense involve 2 TE. one designated as the Blocking guy the other the reciver. Tomlinson backs up Toillolo at 1 spot, EE and Smith at the other spot. Means more specilized TE play not looking for the two way TE that barley exists in the NFL anymore

In comment 14852549 UGADawgs7 said:

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Can this mean they carry a 4th TE, could it mean they’re leaning heavily towards an OT and are bringing as many blocking TEs as they can have to compete for an extra hand in blocking on Solders side or to help out said rookie OT?

I think the Giants will carry 4 TE's next season with roster expansion. Obviously Engram, Smith, and Toilolo are locks but the fourth spot will be between CJ Conrad, Dickerson, Tomlinson, and perhaps a day 3 draft pick.

I hope that they find a small school or hidden gem TE at some point on day 3. Adam Trautman is one player I would love to land on day 3 if he is still on the board. Over the next few weeks I will try to find some solid blocking TE's who were underutilized as a receiver in college due to scheme or poor QB play.

Ogletree, and Fackrell can be at least as productive as Golden. Giants may yet get Golden too.

Fleming is about equal to Remmers and is a lot younger and not gimpy.

I think they came out ahead.

Ogletree, and Fackrell can be at least as productive as Golden. Giants may yet get Golden too.

Fleming is about equal to Remmers and is a lot younger and not gimpy.

I think they came out ahead.

In comment 14852544 Samiam said:

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If you assume that Bradberry replaces Jenkins and Martinez replaces Ogletree, are they that much better? Maybe they’re both upgrades but is it anything to get excited about? Ogletree’s main deficiency was pass coverage as is Martinez. If Fackrell was tha good, why did GB feel the need to sign 2 edge rushers, both of whom seem way better than our guy. Gettleman had a ton of money to sign free agents . I’m not convinced that this defense is measurably better than last years pitiful,defense.

I think Bradberry AT THIS POINT is a shade of an upgrade over Jenkins; and Martinez is a shade of an upgrade over Ogletree. Not much upgrade overall though on defense via UFA but we should be better as youth matures and perhaps coaching staff is better?

I still think signing Golden is a good idea but the price has to be right.

about improving as replacing older players with younger ones who are a little better.

Or a little better? The Giants had a huge amount of CAP dollars and a pitiful defense, and our 2 top free agent signings are just slightly better than the previous guys. And, Ogletree could not cover anyone in space but neither can Martinez. I dont know Fackrell but heard a podcast from a GB reporter that he cant stop the run. I agree that the keys going forward are the draft and the development of the young players. But, we have a GM with a poor record on free agents here and more cash to spend than I can remember and the piss poor defense is slightly better.

I think the coaching staff changed as well.

In comment 14852728 ZogZerg said:

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I think the coaching staff changed as well.

Yeah, too bad we all know that the Giants five successive defensive draft picks after Daniel Jones - Lawrence, Baker, Ximines, Love and Connelly - all of whom flashed signs of promise last year and all of whom figure to be starters or at least rotational contributors, along with the previous year's supplemental pick Sam Beal (who also showed promise during his brief stint of health his second year) will of course play no better in their second or third years.

Not to mention uber athlete Lorenzo Carter or small school surprise Corey Ballantine.

Imrovement in 2020 over 2019 was ALWAYS going to be about those guys first and foremost.

Throw Hill and Tomlinson on that pile, too.

In comment 14852600 Ivan15 said:

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Ogletree, and Fackrell can be at least as productive as Golden. Giants may yet get Golden too. Fleming is about equal to Remmers and is a lot younger and not gimpy. I think they came out ahead.

Fackrell had ten sacks two Years ago. Granted it was with Graham, but I get the sense a lot of people on here have this idea that Fackrell is a sure thing to replace Goldens production which I think is a lot to ask

In comment 14852777 Ned In Atlanta said:

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In comment 14852600 Ivan15 said: Quote: Ogletree, and Fackrell can be at least as productive as Golden. Giants may yet get Golden too. Fleming is about equal to Remmers and is a lot younger and not gimpy. I think they came out ahead. Fackrell had ten sacks two Years ago. Granted it was with Graham, but I get the sense a lot of people on here have this idea that Fackrell is a sure thing to replace Goldens production which I think is a lot to ask

Fackrell is NOT an upgrade over Golden. But I do think Golden will be a Giants in 2020 and beyond if the price is right $$$. If not, if we lose him in UFA, we lost our best pass rusher and this team has no real bonafide proven pass rushers.

We have to hope Ximines and Carter produce else we will struggle against better teams.

And didn't mortgage their future in the process. That's good. However, it remains to be seen whether or not they got better. Clearly, replacements were needed for Ogletree, Jenkins, Ellison, etc., but it's also pretty clear that the team still has a lot of holes to fill, and they most likely won't all be filled this year. It's still a team that's very short on talent.

was that bad and Bradberry is a notch above Jenkins.

But it’s not like the improvement will shine thru each week.

Recognition that there are holes all over the place so lets not panic.

Lets get younger, more durable and structure contracts we can get out of quickly enough or quickly renegotiate to take advantage of players that may come available all through pre season and the season.

Better player comes available, move quickly to upgrade.

All seem smart enough and coachable.

Special Teams seems like it might be an elite unit.

Depth is important. Guys who don't make mistakes matter in a league that is capped.

Id like to see one more clearly better than average but not great player ( Logan Ryan or Marcus Golden) that buys everyone time to develop and upgrades overall pass defense.

If they can get one of those then to me it was a solid FA season. We don't need splashy we need low risk of failure per player and future payroll flexibility.

In comment 14852544 Samiam said:

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If you assume that Bradberry replaces Jenkins and Martinez replaces Ogletree, are they that much better? Maybe they’re both upgrades but is it anything to get excited about? Ogletree’s main deficiency was pass coverage as is Martinez. If Fackrell was tha good, why did GB feel the need to sign 2 edge rushers, both of whom seem way better than our guy. Gettleman had a ton of money to sign free agents . I’m not convinced that this defense is measurably better than last years pitiful,defense.

Ogletree wasn't good against the run, Martinez near the top of the league in tackles last 3 seasons?

Good to finally have a LB'er leading the team in tackles again, been so rare for us for a long time.

Fixing the OL. We can't waste another year of Bark and DJ. Barkley has a limited shelf life at RB. I don't want to see DJ running for his life. If we can fix the OL we can run the ball, eat the clock, shorten the game, rest our defense, keep the opponents offense off the field and keep games closer so we can win a few more.

Please fix this OL.

In comment 14852969 Jeever said:

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Fixing the OL. We can't waste another year of Bark and DJ. Barkley has a limited shelf life at RB. I don't want to see DJ running for his life. If we can fix the OL we can run the ball, eat the clock, shorten the game, rest our defense, keep the opponents offense off the field and keep games closer so we can win a few more. Please fix this OL.

So much this

Is an upgrade and I really liked Jenkins.....we got a guy that faced a lot of premier WRs ..... if we can generate pressure via the scheme/system the back end should be ok ..... question still is who is covering TEs ..... Is Simmons the answer? as mentioned we got a lot of TEs so do we go more 2 TE sets or even 3 and move EE around and/or split Barkley out? That’s causes multiple mismatches. The DL at this point is the key we have improved depth and the rotation and that is key later in the game guys should not be winded .... ie getting pressure via the scheme, hopefully.