Tristan Wirfs

they are just someone’s opinion/projection. And Gettelman definitely wanted Barkley.

If they already have a trade down offer in hand and are trying to control the narrative to get their guy to drop. Sounds very Belichick like

I wouldn't draft him at #4. I hope the Giants feel the same way.

Wills/Becton at #4

Thomas/Wirfs if we trade down and they^^^ are gone.

until he's picked. But having watched Esch's Value Board on THR for quite a few years, he has a pretty good track record of slotting the top 200 players somewhere around where they get drafted. And he now believes that the NFL has Wirfs as their top rated OL and the 7th most valued prospect in the draft. (Note: Their value estimate is entirely separate from their talent assessments.)

The Huddle Report Value Board - ( New Window )

so it's going to come down to the individual teams assessment. Best OT class in years. I think all four of these guys would probably have been last years #1 OT ahead of Jonah Williams who went #11 overall.

He needs to nail #4, and Wirfs seems like a DG guy for some reason. I can almost hear him, like after he drafted Jones... 'you don't mess around'. Just a gut feeling after hearing some of the rumors that the Giants like him, that he's their guy.

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He needs to nail #4, and Wirfs seems like a DG guy for some reason. I can almost hear him, like after he drafted Jones... 'you don't mess around'. Just a gut feeling after hearing some of the rumors that the Giants like him, that he's their guy.

Actually, I thing Wirfs sounds like a Reese guy. Uber athlete who has folks exited because of a huge combine performance.

If the Giants choose Wirfs he will be eternally known as “wifs” by approximately 25% of the board when he misses his first blocking assignment and DJ gets sacked in the pre-season or regular season. Just saying.

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If the Giants choose Wirfs he will be eternally known as “wifs” by approximately 25% of the board when he misses his first blocking assignment and DJ gets sacked in the pre-season or regular season. Just saying.

The most accurate assessment I have seen this year.

the Giants liked Wirfs before the combine.

he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years. Some think he may end up at guard. Fact is if you draft him in the top 10 and he ends up as a right tackle it is a disaster. You can find right tackles in rounds 2 to 4. While this guy has great upside whoever drafts him is taking a BIG risk.

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he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years. Some think he may end up at guard. Fact is if you draft him in the top 10 and he ends up as a right tackle it is a disaster. You can find right tackles in rounds 2 to 4. While this guy has great upside whoever drafts him is taking a BIG risk.

Brandon Sherff and Qu8nten Nelson disagree. If you end up with a dominant guard or RT from a top 10 spot your team is not exactly hamstrung for the next 5 years. You only have a problem if you have to move them because you spent time watching them fail at LT.

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until he's picked. But having watched Esch's Value Board on THR for quite a few years, he has a pretty good track record of slotting the top 200 players somewhere around where they get drafted. And he now believes that the NFL has Wirfs as their top rated OL and the 7th most valued prospect in the draft. (Note: Their value estimate is entirely separate from their talent assessments.) The Huddle Report Value Board - ( New Window )

What does the NFL know about football. I'd much rather trust BBI threads and youtube clips

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he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years. Some think he may end up at guard. Fact is if you draft him in the top 10 and he ends up as a right tackle it is a disaster. You can find right tackles in rounds 2 to 4. While this guy has great upside whoever drafts him is taking a BIG risk.

I’m sure the Eagles really regret draft Lane Johnson with a top 4 pick. What a disaster of a pick that was.

about "not showing our hand"

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he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years. Some think he may end up at guard. Fact is if you draft him in the top 10 and he ends up as a right tackle it is a disaster. You can find right tackles in rounds 2 to 4. While this guy has great upside whoever drafts him is taking a BIG risk.

That is ridiculous. If he ends up being a perennial all pro at OG, it's a bad pick? Ask Indy if they regret taking Nelson at #5.

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I wouldn't draft him at #4. I hope the Giants feel the same way.

I like Wirfs, but I agree with this. Trade down and take the best one available.

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In comment 14852890 Chris L. said: Quote: he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years. Some think he may end up at guard. Fact is if you draft him in the top 10 and he ends up as a right tackle it is a disaster. You can find right tackles in rounds 2 to 4. While this guy has great upside whoever drafts him is taking a BIG risk. That is ridiculous. If he ends up being a perennial all pro at OG, it's a bad pick? Ask Indy if they regret taking Nelson at #5.

totally agree. As long as he ends up being a top player who cares where.

There are many ways to read what is going on. For 1, they may be doing a lot of work on the offensive lineman in case a trade down scenario presents and it is too good an offer to refuse. In addition, perhaps the player (maybe SImmons) they want goes at 3. They need a fall back option and after spending so many resources on cornerback Okudah may not be an option. You don’t want a repeat of 1996...so you need to Johns the o-lineman inside and out since figuring out which one of the 4 will be the best is difficult. Or it could be they want an O-lineman at all costs regardless of who may be there at 4.
There are no clues based on DG drafting history. In Carolina he used more resources on LB than he did on O-lineman. Yet with the Giants he preaches o-line...so who knows? Not me.

Has anyone said Wirfs will be a hall of fame guard? Also, the problem is if he turns out to be a guard you STILL need a LT and you can only find those in the top half of the first round when you still will have big holes on defense. Also, you already have two significant assets already playing guard (high second round pick and a former pro bowl guard). what do we do with one of those valuable pieces...move them to the bench? The Lane Johnson comparison is great because Lane Johnson DID become a good tackle who is going to have to play LT. How many guys that people weren't sure about as LT prospects have busted out as left tackles? The list is VERY long. You guys seem to quickly forget the Eric Flowers debacle. My only point is there is BIG risk with Wirfs in the top 10 because if he doesn't prove to be LT worth you will have made a BIG draft day mistake.

Interest could mean many things but with Wirfs and Becton there's more projection than with Wills and Thomas who are more NFL pro ready out of the gate. The risk projections between Wirf's all world athletic ability and his actual production might be driving more intense scouting and deep dive team interest into what he has now and what it would take to get him to where he needs to go at the next level?

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Has anyone said Wirfs will be a hall of fame guard? Also, the problem is if he turns out to be a guard you STILL need a LT and you can only find those in the top half of the first round when you still will have big holes on defense. Also, you already have two significant assets already playing guard (high second round pick and a former pro bowl guard). what do we do with one of those valuable pieces...move them to the bench? The Lane Johnson comparison is great because Lane Johnson DID become a good tackle who is going to have to play LT. How many guys that people weren't sure about as LT prospects have busted out as left tackles? The list is VERY long. You guys seem to quickly forget the Eric Flowers debacle. My only point is there is BIG risk with Wirfs in the top 10 because if he doesn't prove to be LT worth you will have made a BIG draft day mistake.

It was you who said "If they pick Wirfs in the top 10 he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years." That's what we were all commenting on, no one is guaranteeing Wirfs is a surefire all pro guard or right tackle.

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he MUST be a left tackle starter for 10 years. Some think he may end up at guard. Fact is if you draft him in the top 10 and he ends up as a right tackle it is a disaster. You can find right tackles in rounds 2 to 4. While this guy has great upside whoever drafts him is taking a BIG risk.

Agreed. All of the tackle prospects haven't had enough dominance at Left Tackle to say any one of them a sure thing prospect that deserves to be a top 10 pick. Chase Young and Isaiah Simmons are the two players that we can build around on defense and teams will have to game plan to compensate for their talents.

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If the Giants choose Wirfs he will be eternally known as “wifs” by approximately 25% of the board when he misses his first blocking assignment and DJ gets sacked in the pre-season or regular season. Just saying.

Lol

And it certainly feels like that with Wirfs. Definitely worrisome.

I would want to leave them at RT & draft a Left Tackle in the 2nd. We would then have to get our Center in the 3rd.

I don't want to move anyone as a rookie. Down the road I could see it if it were deemed to be the best move for the team, but if we believe that either Wills or Wirfs is too good to pass on then I'd pencil them in at RT and leave them there.

Wirfs does have shorter than ideal arm length for an OT and he spends a lot of time on the ground so he might be a Guard and I don't want them to make a projection with this high a draft choice. What might save him as an OT is his feet are good but he must work on his balance and lateral quickness.

Becton scares me as a boom or bust type whose success has come too easily for him based on his natural attributes. He's never had to develop his technique so I don't know how good he can truly become. It depends on his willingness to work & learn.

I am warming up to the idea of trading down and drafting both Thomas & Wilson out of Ga. to be our LT & RT for the next 12 years. They are polished at their positions but both have some upside to them.

Who knows who the Giants like at OT... Maybe none of the top four. Who knows..... If we stay at four and draft the best player available it might not be any of them. We might be looking at a defender who has that gold jacket feel to him that Getty gets all hot bothered about....

In a year when the late great George Young has finally been voted into the HOF my preference would be to build the Offensive Line once and for all. Even if we trade down the best player available might be a defender, but even in that scenario, we must come out of this draft with a Center & two Offensive Tackles taken before day three.

If our first three picks are all Offensive Linemen I will thank God and salute Big George. I'm sure that Jones & Barkley would be throwing a big party with the new offensive line coach's band in the mix.

The chances of any player being a 10 year starter is incredibly small. That’s not a very reasonable expectation.

I strongly believe Wirfs is the player most likely to become the best in the league at his position in 2 years. I believe he’ll be in the conversation for All Pro his rookie year.

If the Giants come out of the top 5 with a plug and play right tackle with huge upside, that is a great pick.

Good prospect but that's unrealistic. He has things to work on in his game. He'd have to improve his footwork, hand usage techniques and overall consistency as a rookie to even be considered. These things take time.

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Good prospect but that's unrealistic. He has things to work on in his game. He'd have to improve his footwork, hand usage techniques and overall consistency as a rookie to even be considered. These things take time.

Anticipation and awareness on stunts and blitzes as well. Wills day 1 has most already high caliber NFL level .

that the safest two choices currently play RT. Suppose we stay at 4 and we take one. I would then want to target our starting Center with pick #36 and take a true LT in the 3rd round who'd learn for a year behind Solder. If we think that we can get a starting Center in round three then I am would love to see back to back RT & LT picks.

I'd have to admit that I'd be on cloud nine. Whenever we make a selection I get onboard no matter what. If you're a Giant then that means we believe in you and wish you nothing but success. It also means that the Giants see what they need to see at this stage and feel that they can coach greatness out of this player. The sky is the limit with Becton IF he puts it all together. Were the Giants to select this guy and get RT-Wilson out of Ga. to go with a starting Center we would be looking at a truly humongous set of Tackles.