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2020 NFL Draft Preview: Safety

Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 7:08 am
SAFETY

Format includes a quick position overview, my grading scale and what the number mean, the summary and final grade from my final report on my top 15, a quick additional note on the player, and my ranks 16-25 with grades only.

*I AM NOT DOING NFL COMPARISONS

Quick Position Overview

Julian Love made the move from cornerback to safety prior to the season. The 4th round rookie (who I had a 1st round grade on) didn’t see the field much until Jabrill Peppers went down with an injury. Love filled the role well, a role that was more nickel linebacker / slot defender than it was a true deep half safety. Peppers will be back, but Antoine Bethea will not. One can quickly assume Love will move in to vacated role created by Bethea’s departure but it can be disputed if he can handle the deep coverage responsibilities, as that wasn’t the role he stepped in to last year. You don’t want Peppers back there, either. Sean Chandler and Nate Ebner are best suited for special teams.

This is a position I have been banging the table for NYG to address. Safety has become such an important piece to the defense with rule changes and abundance of tight ends + slots + running backs running routes. Last year I wanted them to draft Chauncey Garnder-Johnson over Ximines, in 2017 I wanted to draft Desmond King over Wayne Gallman, and in 2016 I wanted them to draft Justin Simmons over Darian Thompson. In diagnosing what this team needs most, I am surprised many don’t speak about safety as it has been such a weak point to the defense for years.

GRADING SCALE

90+ All Pro Projection
85+: Pro Bowl Projection
81-84: First rounder – should be able to play right away
79-80: 2nd Rounder – Should be able to rotate right away – Year 2 starter
77-78: 3rd rounder – Should be able to rotate by end of rookie year – Year 2/3 starter
74-76: Early Day 3 – Special Teams – Future backup/possible starter
71-73: Mid Day 3 – Special Teams – Future backup / gamble starter
68-70: Late Day 3 - Back end of roster / Practice Squad / Development guy
65-67: Preferred UDFA
60-64: Undrafted FA



TOP 15 GRADES AND ANALYSIS

1. Grant Delpit / LSU / 6’3 – 213

Grade: 82

Summary: Junior entry. Three year starter from Houston, Texas. A two time consensus All American. Winner of the 2019 Jim Thorpe Award. Delpit came in to the 2019 season with sky-high, borderline unrealistic expectations to reach after his All American, Nagurski Award Finalist 2018 campaign. A bum ankle and a slightly less productive season caused credible and legitimate questions surrounding who and what Delpit is on the field. Make no mistake here, Delpit can be the face of a defense that will produce across the board. He is the kind of player that every defensive coach wants to work with because of his versatility and toughness. He will be an important, productive player in the league.

*Delpit didn’t reach the elite tier that many placed him in prior to the season. I think he is somewhat a victim of unfair expectations that ultimately led to many placing the “overrated” label on him. I never saw Delpit as a top 10 kind of guy. But he does everything you want a safety to do, some of his 2019 tape has to be taken with a grain of salt because of the ankle injury, and he is a coach’s favorite. Don’t expect Derwin James or Earl Thomas here, but you are safe to assume he is a year 1 contributor, if not solid starter.

2. Xavier McKinney / Alabama / 6’0 – 201

Grade: 81

Summary: Junior entry. Two year starter from Roswell, Georgia. 2019 All American and First Team All SEC. McKinney was a do-it-all safety for Nick Saban’s defense, making plays against the pass, the run, and on special teams. He is a versatile, rangy, aggressive weapon for the defense that reacts and closes as fast as anyone can at the position. He is a hustler that will bring swagger to the defense he gets drafted to. He has some on-field discipline issues that can get exposed in the NFL, thus he will need some extra time to adjust to the speed and complexity of the game. His upside is sky-high if he is put in to the right situation and he applies himself.

*McKinney plays a high risk, high reward style which isn’t a fit for every scheme. But for the teams that can tolerate, borderline feet of that, he is going to be graded highly and I do think he has a shot at being the top safety off the board. I love his burst and ability to close, if he can develop that movement in to coverage, watch out.

3. Kyle Dugger / Lenoir-Rhyne / 6’1 – 217

Grade: 79

Summary: Sixth year senior entry from Decatur, Georgia. A two time 1st Team All South Athletic Conference honoree and one time 2nd Team. Winner of the 2019 Cliff Harris Award, given to the best defensive player in Division II despite playing in an injury shortened season (hand). Dugger has the attractive tool set and dominant- play at a lower level of college football to make him a credible draft prospect. He looked like a man among boys and that was evident athletically whenever he got the ball in his hands. He was just too big and fast, thus why he was an All American punt returner, a spot he netted 6 touchdowns. As good as Dugger looks on paper, he will be a 24 year old rookie, has had a couple durability issues, and is making an enormous jump on competition and speed. Safety is a tough position to walk off the bus from Division II and play right away, but it has been done before. His role should be limited early but the upside could be Pro Bowl-caliber.

*Another guy here that could end up being the top safety selected based on scheme and team need. Dugger is a wildcard. He dominated the combine, he looked excellent at the Senior Bowl, he was on another level among his opponents in college. He was offered to play up in competition in 2019 but he wanted to stay loyal to his teammates and coaches at Lenoir-Rhyne. He checks almost every box but the jump in speed/size is going to be a major adjustment and there are some red flags stemming from durability. I like him, but I am keeping my round 2 grade on him despite many telling me not to do so.

4. Antoine Winfield Jr / Minnesota / 5’9 – 203

Grade: 79

Summary: Fourth year sophomore entry. Four year starter (including his two 4-game seasons) from The Woodlands, Texas. The son of former Jim Thorpe Award winner and 14-year NFL cornerback Antoine Winfield. A 2019 1st Team All American and Big 10 Defensive Back of the Year. 2019 Bronko Nagurski Finalist. After a hot start to his career as a true freshman in 2016, Winfield played in just 8 games over the next 2 years combined with separate lower body injuries. He bounced back in a big way in 2019, his true senior season, leading the country with 7 interceptions while also leading the Gophers in tackles. Winfield gets around the action as often as anyone and he proved he can make things happen when he gets there. He plays bigger and tougher than his size, making him a solid last line of defense in any scheme. Winfield will have durability and red flags next to his name, but this kid is a gamer that impacts the game in several ways.

*I’ll say this, if Winfield hadn’t had durability issues early in his career and he was just a few inches bigger/longer, he would likely be the top safety on my board. I love his style, I love the bloodlines, I love his versatility. I actually think he could come in and be a starting nickel right away if needed, but will also be able to play an Earl Thomas-type deep safety role down the road.

5. JR Reed / Georgia / 6’1 – 202

Grade: 78

Summary: Fifth year senior from Frisco, Texas. Began his career at Tulsa, as an injury sustained his senior year of high school nearly derailed his recruitment. Son of former NFL wide receiver Jake Reed and nephew of former NFL defensive back Dale Carter. Reed transferred to Georgia in 2016 and proceeded to start three years for the Bulldogs. He earned All SEC honors twice and was named a 2019 All American and Thorpe Award finalist. Even though Reed will be a 24 year old rookie, his potential to be a long time starter in the league is as high as anyone. He lacks the ideal standout physical traits, but the intelligence he plays with and knack to locate the action quickly will make him an asset for any defense. His playing speed and strength is good enough, and the coach’s favorite with NFL bloodlines will get himself on to the field early.

*I had Reed at the top of this group early in the year. The top trait I look for in a safety centers around insticts and quick decision making. There may not be a safety in the class that gets near and to the action as much as Reed does, but I do have to acknowledge there is less talent here, he is playing with a lesser deck of cards. I still see a guy that will start at some point though, he’s no slouch when it comes to speed and strength. Maybe just a limited ceiling type.

6. Ashtyn Davis / California / 6’1 – 202

Grade: 77

Summary: Sixth year senior from Santa Cruz, California. Three year starter that saw the majority of his time at safety, but has also started at cornerback and filled the nickel corner spot sporadically. 2nd Team All Pac 12 in 2019 after being named 1st Team in 2018 when he led the Pac 12 with 4 interceptions. Davis originally arrived at Cal as a track athlete where he was a very accomplished hurdler. His athletic gifts are noteworthy and he translates them to the field well. Davis is a fast and rangy safety that can fill cornerback roles where needed. He was also an incredibly effective special teamer and returner. There is a lot a team can do with Davis and if his body continues to develop, he will be an every down threat for a defense against the run and pass.

*Davis has a plus-versatility grade that may cause a team to take him as high as the top of round 2. He has proven he can play corner, nickel, and deep safety. He is one of the best athletes in the entire safety group, too, maybe the best. I get a little nervous with his ability to hold up physically and there were too many negative plays I had from tape to put him up there, but I still see a guy that could end up starting in the league.

7. Julian Blackmon / Utah / 6’0 – 187

Grade: 77

Summary: Senior entry from Layton, Utah. Three year starter that made the move from cornerback to safety in 2019. Two time 2nd Team All Pac 12 at corner and a 1st Team All Pac 12 safety in addition to being named 2nd Team All American as a senior. Blackmon’s move to safety was likely in the forecast as a pro and the fact he did so before his senior season and excelled the way he did is a good sign. His lack of fluidity in his hips isn’t as much of an issue there and this is the spot he can really use his range in pursuit and downhill pop as a weapon. Blackmon is a fast read and react player that will be physical but also make plays on the ball. His knee injury suffered in the Pac 12 Championship will delay the start of his career, but he should be ready to contribute towards the second half of the 2020 season. A versatile defensive back that should be able to start within a year or two.

*The knee injury caused me to bump him down a notch, thus you can see I had a higher grade on him than most. Blackmon’s position change to safety was one that benefitted him greatly. The lack of size is a concern, he will need to add functional bulk over his first year or two in the league. But I still see a guy that can contribute as a nickel safety at some point in 2020.

8. Geno Stone / Iowa / 5’10 -207

Grade: 76

Summary: Junior entry from New Castle, Pennsylvania. A two year starter that was 2nd Team All Big 10 in 2019, Honorable Mention in 2018. Stone was a jack of all trades chess piece for the Iowa defense that was all over the field. He was used in a variety of ways because of his quickness to the ball and ability to finish. He is a blue-collar player that will help a defense in multiple roles. He shouldn’t be trusted in deep coverage, as he doesn’t have the range and catch up speed and it won’t be ideal to have him in consistent man coverage. Allow him to play downhill and pursue the action and he will be a productive player. He will be an effective special teamer early on and can provide solid-package defense with the upside of being a starter down the road.

*Stone is a fun player to watch, plain and simple. He flies around the field, he is short but stout, and he instills energy in to others. Because of that, some place too high of a grade on him. There are speed and size issues here and while they aren’t deal breakers, he is going to be fighting an uphill battle. He is a solid, early day 3 guy that could play the Peppers role as a backup.

9. Jeremy Chinn / Southern Illinois / 6’3 – 221

Grade: 76

Summary: Senior entry from Fishers, Indiana. Four year starter that earned 2nd Team All MVFC honors in 2017, 1st Team in both 2018 and 2019 in addition to being named a 2nd Team All American as a senior. Chinn played a versatile role throughout college and there is a chance his tool set will cause some teams to experiment with him at cornerback. He may be oversized for the position, but Chinn plays really fast and long. His range and physical play could be a matchup nightmare for tight ends and receivers alike, but his feel in zone coverage just isn’t there. He will come in to the league with a tool set that needs to be patiently developed, but he has starter upside.

*Chinn is probably going to go day 2 from what I’ve heard. I am keeping him at the top of day 3 though, and I won’t budge. I see a high upside athlete with plus size but he doesn’t play with fast eyes and I don’t see him forecasting very well. Maybe in a reaction-based role he can get a higher outlook, but he is similar to Dugger just a notch below in pretty much everything across the board.


10. Terrell Burgess / Utah / 5’11 – 202

Grade: 75

Summary: Senior entry from San Marcos, California. One year starter that has been changed positions multiple times. Was a hybrid receiver/defensive back as a freshman before making the full time move to defense. Burgess played both cornerback and safety as a backup to both spots before being named the starting strong safety as a senior in 2019. He took his opportunity and ran with it, being named Honorable Mention All Pac 12. He was the leader of that defense and was lauded for his preparation, on-field IQ, and versatility. Burgess has some physical limitations but his intelligence and ability to change his skin in the defensive backfield is an attractive asset. He can be a third safety that gets on the field right away in nickel situations.

*All the NYG coaches seem to be on the same page in regard to their value on versatility and football intelligence. Burgess has pretty much played every role that exists in the secondary, he was the mental-leader of the Utah defense, and he ran a 4.46 at the combine. The fact he only started for a year is a red flag, but it could also mean someone is going to get a bargain with him because he isn’t even scratching the surface of what he can be yet. I see a nickel/dime defender here, roles that are becoming more and more important.

11. Brandon Jones / Texas / 5’11 – 198

Grade: 75

Summary: Senior entry from Nacogdoches, Texas. Three year starter that finished with All Big 12 honors both seasons. Jones is the kind of player that is going to find multiple ways to help a defense. He can play a single high role, stemming from his ability to anticipate and quickly react to the ball. He can play in the box, stemming from his aggressive downhill nature and finisher’s punch as a tackler. He can contribute on special teams, as seen with his career that includes multiple blocked punts and 11+ yards per punt return. Jones is a smart player with sneaky speed that does a lot for a defense that won’t show up in the box score. He is going to produce more than many players drafted ahead of him.

*Jones doesn’t have the ideal size or speed, but his feel for the game and consistent production across multiple roles will get him drafted by a team that wants a fourth or fifth safety that can backup different spots. This kind of player can find a fit in any scheme.

12. Josh Metellus / Michigan / 5’11 – 209

Grade: 75

Summary: Senior entry from Pembroke Pines, Florida. Three year starter that was named All Big 10 three straight years. Metellus has been a mainstay on the Wolverines defense for years, playing a leader-of-the-secondary role that is often lining up in different spots down to down. He makes good reads both pre and post snap and will make the plays that are in front of him. Metellus doesn’t have any standout physical traits but he is dependable and versatile. He won’t be a playmaker week to week, but the safety net he provides across multiple roles is often exactly what teams need as their last line of defense.

*I like this guy as a key special teams contributor and extra run defender. You know, nickel corners/safeties need to be able to tackle. A growing trend in the league is for offenses to audible to running or screen passes when extra defensive backs come on the field. Metellus can tackle like a linebacker and he has shown good production against the pass. He can be an important player right away, but don’t expect too much.

13. Jordan Fuller / Ohio State / 6’2 – 203

Grade: 75

Summary: Senior entry from Old Tappan, New Jersey. Three year starter that ended his career on the 1st Team All Big 10 squad. The two-time team captain was a standout student that graduated early and has received a lot of positive attention for what he does off the field, a very high character young man. On the field, Fuller is a balanced threat in the secondary that has the pro-caliber triangle numbers and every down capabilities. He is best when the action is in front of him, as he can explode downhill with fast reactions. He doesn’t always show ideal instincts and feel, but if he is put in to the right role in the right safety tandem, he can be a quality starter.

*Fuller is pretty average across the board but what I like about him, he doesn’t hurt the defense. It was hard to find real negative plays on his tape. I don’t know if I can trust him in deep coverage and I don’t see him taking on receivers in man, but he can be a guy that helps prevent big plays if there is enough help around him. Smart, good kid that coaches will want in the locker room.

14. K’Von Wallace / Clemson / 5’11 – 206

Grade: 74

Summary: Senior entry from Highland Springs, Virginia. Three year starter that earned Honorable Mention All ACC in 2018, 3rd Team in 2019. Wallace lacks standout traits to sill a specific role at a high level, but he is a physical downhill force that will bring energy to a defense and special teams. His lack of long speed and fluidity in his hips can make him a liability in man and/or deep coverage, but he can perform well in the box most notably in a zone scheme. His upside has a low cap on hit but he is a safe bet to provide quality backup presence and solid special teams play.

*Wallace is a quick and physical downhill guy that controlled a lot of the calls on the Clemson defense. Like Fuller, it is hard to find plays where he really hurts the defense. I think he is a safe and reliable bet to provide quality depth but, also like Fuller, don’t expect him to make a lot of plays in coverage.

15. Antoine Brooks Jr./ Maryland / 5’11 – 220

Grade: 71

Summary: Senior entry from Lanham, Maryland. Three year starter. Two time 2nd Team All Big 10 and one time Honorable Mention. 2019 Team MVP Award winner. Brooks was a high school quarterback that made the full time move to the defensive side upon arrival and steadily increased his level of play. He is an aggressive, downhill attacker that will make plenty of tackles in space and help enhance a team’s physical outlook. His capabilities and overall upside against the pass will be limited, however. He can’t stick to slot receivers, won’t be big enough against tight ends, and doesn’t have lateral range in deep zone. Perhaps not an every down player, Brooks can still make an impact but teams can’t put a ton on his plate.

*Be careful with where you put Brooks, as he will be the guy an opposing offense looks at and attacks in the passing game. He needs to be protected. That said, he is a force against the running game and will enforce a physical nature across the middle. Also, he will be a special teams weapon.

*PLEASE NOTE – Khaleke Hudson (Michigan) and Tanner Muse (Clemson) are on my LB board

16: Kenny Robinson / West Virgina: 70
17: L”Jarius Sneed / SMU: 70
18: Rodney Clemons / Louisiana Tech: 69
19: Brian Cole II / Mississippi State: 69
20: Jalynn Hawkins / California: 69
21: Chris Miller / Baylor: 68
22: Alohi Gilman / Notre Dame: 68
23: Shyheim Carter / Alabama: 68
24: James Hendricks / North Dakota State: 68
25: Jalen Elliot / Notre Dame: 68


NYG APPROACH

As I said earlier, the deep safety spot has been a weak point to this defense for years. I think the Peppers/Love duo has some potential, but I don’t think either one of them fills exactly what NYG needs back there. It is a door that is WIDE open, not in a good way. There won’t be any safeties in this class worth taking at #4, or even if they trade down unless we are talking about the last 7-9 picks of round 1. Round 2 the safety discussion can begin if one of the top 3 or 4 guys are available, although Dugger isn’t the fit for NYG’s current situation. The more I try to project, the more I see this being an option in rounds 3-4-5. The names I think are worth considering for the role they need to fill are and likely will be available are JR Reed, Julian Blackmon, and Jordan Fuller. Otherwise, you are looking at a late day 3 gamble that you can cross your fingers on.
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RE: RE: Weak Safety class but of course it’s a position of need  
LBH15 : 3/29/2020 10:33 am : link
In comment 14852944 Mike in NY said:
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What isn’t quite frankly?

Imv, Giants can ill afford going FS with the early picks. If like a Winfield is there when we are up in Rd 3 then maybe consider. But it has to be a function of did we help solve for OT and Center before you pull that trigger.

Would rather draft sooner into stronger Oline class than safety class this year. Still need to get a FS but no way he is a projected year 1 starter unless they get lucky. Get a guy you can work in later in season and then let him compete for a bigger role in year 2.

Too many holes to fill...which is why you don’t waste picks with silly in season deals.



If you want Winfield you will need to use 36 for it. I could see a team considering him the best S in the draft and even using a late first on him


Then so be it. As I said solve for other problems at other positions that teams are bypassing. It’s not like Giants are short of problems.
RE: Reading between the lines...  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2020 10:34 am : link
In comment 14852952 Eric from BBI said:
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I get the sense Sy is going to lobby for OL with the first pick.


I'm sure he'll answer himself but he has stated that it is between Simmons and an OT. I think the big question is what OT.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good morning Sy,,  
JB_in_DC : 3/29/2020 10:37 am : link
In comment 14852871 Sy'56 said:
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Man, if NYG goes Simmons at #4 - and Delpit is there at 36 - it would be tough to pass on. But can they really ignore OL with top 2 picks again?


Would go a long way toward making the defense a quality unit but man it would hurt to not bring in prime olinemen.
I can see us taking a FS in the mid-rounds, bot much higher  
PatersonPlank : 3/29/2020 10:44 am : link
We really need to improve the OL with the top picks.

Draft a mid-round guy, maybe bring in a FA, and let them battle it out with Love (who I am still positive on and hopeful he can be a good player there).
Anyone know the short list of remaining  
LBH15 : 3/29/2020 10:49 am : link
Free safeties that are free agents?

Don’t say Bethea.
thank you Sy!  
Victor in CT : 3/29/2020 10:51 am : link
you reviews are the best,. nice safety class this year. pretty deep/
RE: Anyone know the short list of remaining  
Strahan91 : 3/29/2020 10:56 am : link
In comment 14852971 LBH15 said:
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Free safeties that are free agents?

Don’t say Bethea.

Demarious Randall and Tavon Wilson I believe are both unsigned. Either would make for a decent stopgap option and would come cheap.
RE: Anyone know the short list of remaining  
Mike in NY : 3/29/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 14852971 LBH15 said:
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Free safeties that are free agents?

Don’t say Bethea.


Damarious Randall
Tavon Wilson
Thanks guys  
LBH15 : 3/29/2020 10:59 am : link
Gun to your head who would sign?
RE: Reading between the lines...  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/29/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14852952 Eric from BBI said:
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I get the sense Sy is going to lobby for OL with the first pick.


Eric, Sy has already said that he has two OLmen rated high enough for the #4 spot in his last thread. If Sy's having problems valuing what position Simmons would play that does seem to be the issue with him. He's a terrific athlete, but will he fit an NFL scheme (or in reality the Giants scheme)? He certainly needs to go somewhere where they will be able to use his skill set.
RE: RE: Reading between the lines...  
Big Blue '56 : 3/29/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14852985 gidiefor said:
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In comment 14852952 Eric from BBI said:


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I get the sense Sy is going to lobby for OL with the first pick.



Eric, Sy has already said that he has two OLmen rated high enough for the #4 spot in his last thread. If Sy's having problems valuing what position Simmons would play that does seem to be the issue with him. He's a terrific athlete, but will he fit an NFL scheme (or in reality the Giants scheme)? He certainly needs to go somewhere where they will be able to use his skill set.


Firstly, as always, thanks Sy. After spending all those years with Belichick AND being familiar with players on both sides of the ball, I have to believe Judge will value Simmons’ all-around productivity through that lens/filter and choose accordingly. I also believe DG will defer to his assessment and fit of Simmons
Sy what do you think about a possible trade for Anthony Harris?  
Strahan91 : 3/29/2020 11:13 am : link
If so, what cost would make it appealing to you? Seems like he’s available and he’s an absolute stud at FS.
Great  
AcidTest : 3/29/2020 11:19 am : link
stuff. Thanks.
Sy'56  
M.S. : 3/29/2020 11:25 am : link
Quick question about your grading scale: Can we use to rank players across position?

Thanks as always for all your insights -- made my early morning coffee that much better this morning!
Sy- thanks a bunch!  
Dave on the UWS : 3/29/2020 12:05 pm : link
Just what so needed on a rainy afternoon here in NYC
Also Sy hope you’re well and staying safe  
Dave on the UWS : 3/29/2020 12:23 pm : link
Someone will ask this question at some point, so I guess I will. If you were to assign a Safety grade to Simmons (based on his safety snaps last year) what would it be? I agree about the 3 safety base by the way. When you have a guy like him, you don’t go. “ round peg in square hole”. The defense would need to be designed for Simmons and Peppers to make the majority of the plays. Both players would then be maximized,
Sy. Thanks for the great analysis  
Stratman : 3/29/2020 12:23 pm : link
I understand that this would be asking more work from you, but have you considered dropping in a few all 22 video clips of key players making key plays that illustrate your analysis? Eric should get you a BBI sponsored intern to help you with film production. :) Keep up the great work. Much appreciated.
Sadly it's not a very good class to find a rangy FS with ballskills  
Torrag : 3/29/2020 1:16 pm : link
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RE: Reading between the lines...  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14852952 Eric from BBI said:
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I get the sense Sy is going to lobby for OL with the first pick.


I won't try to keep anything secret here

It is Simmons or OT at #4. Which am I leaning? We will see.
RE: Sy what do you think about a possible trade for Anthony Harris?  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14852999 Strahan91 said:
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If so, what cost would make it appealing to you? Seems like he’s available and he’s an absolute stud at FS.


MIN is one of the teams I follow closely all year - They Love Harris. He isn't going anywhere
RE: Thanks guys  
Mike in NY : 3/29/2020 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14852981 LBH15 said:
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Gun to your head who would sign?


Wilson because he has experience in New England and under Patricia. Randall had some authority issues last year and the head coach in Cleveland is now our TE coach
RE: Sy'56  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14853010 M.S. said:
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Quick question about your grading scale: Can we use to rank players across position?

Thanks as always for all your insights -- made my early morning coffee that much better this morning!


Yes sir you can. There are all round-based and what I expect out of them.

That said - I usually give. a +/- 1-3 based on positions of need.

Example - I am talking an OT with a grade of 83 over a WR with a grade of 86
RE: RE: Sy what do you think about a possible trade for Anthony Harris?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/29/2020 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14853125 Sy'56 said:
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If so, what cost would make it appealing to you? Seems like he’s available and he’s an absolute stud at FS.



MIN is one of the teams I follow closely all year - They Love Harris. He isn't going anywhere


What if Okudah is there at 4?
RE: Also Sy hope you’re well and staying safe  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14853063 Dave on the UWS said:
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Someone will ask this question at some point, so I guess I will. If you were to assign a Safety grade to Simmons (based on his safety snaps last year) what would it be? I agree about the 3 safety base by the way. When you have a guy like him, you don’t go. “ round peg in square hole”. The defense would need to be designed for Simmons and Peppers to make the majority of the plays. Both players would then be maximized,


Good question - I actually did grade him at S and give him 82, right there with Delpit. But he graded higher at LB, so kept him there
Re picking Simmons or OT at 4,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/29/2020 1:37 pm : link
that is
RE: Sy. Thanks for the great analysis  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14853064 Stratman said:
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I understand that this would be asking more work from you, but have you considered dropping in a few all 22 video clips of key players making key plays that illustrate your analysis? Eric should get you a BBI sponsored intern to help you with film production. :) Keep up the great work. Much appreciated.


I'm not sure I have the time to do that - but if I ever end up branching off on my own business wise, that would be a strong consideration.

I am actually not permitted to share my complete reports either. Videos - I would guess that's the same idea.
RE: RE: RE: Sy what do you think about a possible trade for Anthony Harris?  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14853132 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14852999 Strahan91 said:


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If so, what cost would make it appealing to you? Seems like he’s available and he’s an absolute stud at FS.



MIN is one of the teams I follow closely all year - They Love Harris. He isn't going anywhere



What if Okudah is there at 4?


Not sure I follow.

If Okudah is at 4 - trade the pick to MIN and get Harris back? I'm not even considering that if I am NYG 0 even if MIN ships their 1st and 2nd back.

NYG has a huge opportunity to get a franchise OT or legit defensive weapon. Can't pass on the for late 1st/2nd and a safety that costs a ton of money - on a 1 year deal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sy what do you think about a possible trade for Anthony Harris?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/29/2020 1:44 pm : link
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If so, what cost would make it appealing to you? Seems like he’s available and he’s an absolute stud at FS.



MIN is one of the teams I follow closely all year - They Love Harris. He isn't going anywhere



What if Okudah is there at 4?



Not sure I follow.

If Okudah is at 4 - trade the pick to MIN and get Harris back? I'm not even considering that if I am NYG 0 even if MIN ships their 1st and 2nd back.

NYG has a huge opportunity to get a franchise OT or legit defensive weapon. Can't pass on the for late 1st/2nd and a safety that costs a ton of money - on a 1 year deal.


Sorry, I put the question after the wrong post. What I’m asking is, you have either Simmons or OT at 4. What if Okudah is there at 4, do you still take Simmons or Ot?
BB'56  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 1:46 pm : link
Most likely, yes.
No mention of Delpit’s  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/29/2020 1:49 pm : link
Bad tackling. Surprising.
RE: No mention of Delpit’s  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 2:07 pm : link
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Bad tackling. Surprising.


In my full report - his tackling comes up a few times. I'm not allowed to post that entire thing, however.

His tackling issues are overblown. He needs to be better there, no doubt. But when it comes to comparing him to others, his tackling is not worse. He gets to more plays that others do but when it comes to % if missed tackles in regard to attempts, he isn't below them.

Also keep in mind, he was tweaked throughout the year, ankle and minor shoulder. His tackling in 2018 was better, but he was no slouch in 2019
Would McKinney fill the void for us at the FS position?  
90.Cal : 3/29/2020 2:07 pm : link
Any possibility that he falls toward 36? He is my favorite safety in the class.
RE: Would McKinney fill the void for us at the FS position?  
Sy'56 : 3/29/2020 2:13 pm : link
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Any possibility that he falls toward 36? He is my favorite safety in the class.


He is a wild card. He is so quick twitched, excellent reactions. He can plant and burst with anyone. But when it comes to top speed / stride speed / deep speed, he can be beat. Also don't love the instincts and feel for a deep cover spot.

Unfortunately, he is another box-friendly guy similar to what NYG has in Peppers. I think McKinney's upside is good but it is a gamble.
Thank you Sy - I like Winfield but I think NYG will flag the injuries  
Eric on Li : 3/29/2020 2:27 pm : link
If mckinney or delpit are there at 36 I think they would consider but I'd guess they will be off the board in round 1.

I haven't seen much of Davis but he profiles for the type of role they need to fill and I've read enough to think he may be a good fit with the new staff/culture. I doubt he makes it to the comp pick but if they get an extra 3rd I think he would make a lot of sense.
Delpit sounds like the best fit to play w/our current cast  
90.Cal : 3/29/2020 3:22 pm : link
Also sounds like you Sy' see little to no chance he makes it out of the 1st round and near our 36th overall pick near the top of 2.
methinks  
ryanmkeane : 3/29/2020 3:27 pm : link
Sy’s guy for us at 4 is Andrew Thomas
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NYGCO : 3/29/2020 6:58 pm : link
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off subject but I've wondered about adding Simmons at LB and how he and Peppers would allow to Graham to do some different things. But that gets back to the point Sy is making, we need a true free safety too.



Peppers and Simmons can co-exist with a true FS, for sure.

But that will likely take Connelly off the field, which I guess is fine. It is really hard to project the NYG base defense without being in their meeting room.

DL: Williams / Tomlinson / Lawrence (3)
EDGE: Carter / Fackrell or Ximines (2)
LB: Simmons / Martinez (2)
S: Love / Peppers (2)
CB: Baker / Bradberry (2)

That keeps Connelly off the field BUT he can rotate in. Another thing I don't love about this would be Simmons playing inside run gaps - which he isn't very good at. I will get more in to this when the LB preview comes out - but my guess would be take one of the EDGE guys out - put Simmons there - put Connelly back inside - and try to let Simmons roam from the OLB/EDGE spot which again, isn't ideal.

Simply put - Simmons' best role is the one Peppers plays.

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If you are able to pick up Simmons in the draft, do you try and trade Peppers?
Sy  
Rjanyg : 3/29/2020 7:12 pm : link
Thank you for your time and effort.

I am a Simmons guy. Love what he could bring to our defense.

My question revolves around the OL. In your opinion, will there be an OT prospect at our pick 36 that has the potential to be a starter ( Niang, Cleveland ) or would Center be a better option ( Cushenbury, Biadasz )?

Thanks!
RE: methinks  
Amtoft : 3/29/2020 7:32 pm : link
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Sy’s guy for us at 4 is Andrew Thomas


Anyone who watches tape is going to have Thomas high... his tape is good in run and pass blocking for 3 years... as for Safeties this is a really good list and read. Great work Sy
I like Winfield Jr.  
Jay on the Island : 3/29/2020 10:23 pm : link
If the Giants acquired an extra 2nd round pick I would like to see one be used to select Winfield Jr. assuming players like Cesar Ruiz, Grant Delpit, and Zack Baun are off the board. I don’t think I the Giants will take him though because of the injury concerns and his lack of ideal size.
Thanks Sy. Great job and pointed discussions.  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/30/2020 1:48 am : link
IMO the Giants will give Love every chance to be the starting "deep" or back half safety this year, and won't draft any safety until the fifth round or later unless the value of the individual player jumps off the board for them.

Which is what probably happened with Love last year in round 4...
RE: RE: Also Sy hope you’re well and staying safe  
section125 : 3/30/2020 6:28 am : link
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Good question - I actually did grade him at S and give him 82, right there with Delpit. But he graded higher at LB, so kept him there


So Simmons would have been co-top ranked safety, but ranks higher as a LB....82 as FS. 84-85 as LB?

Makes this even more brutal choice. DG passed on Allen last year only because he thought Jones would not be there at #17 and he had to take a QB.
Hard to see him passing a 2nd time on a defensive game wrecker even though the line must be addressed with at least an OT and an OC.
RE: RE: RE: Also Sy hope you’re well and staying safe  
M.S. : 3/30/2020 8:33 am : link
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Good question - I actually did grade him at S and give him 82, right there with Delpit. But he graded higher at LB, so kept him there



So Simmons would have been co-top ranked safety, but ranks higher as a LB....82 as FS. 84-85 as LB?

Makes this even more brutal choice. DG passed on Allen last year only because he thought Jones would not be there at #17 and he had to take a QB.
Hard to see him passing a 2nd time on a defensive game wrecker even though the line must be addressed with at least an OT and an OC.

If Simmons is there at #4, won't be hard at all for the Giants to call his name. At least we have one or two play-makers on offense; but there are none to be found on defense. Simmons would be our first. He's our guy at 4.
Sorry Sy' one last safety question before we move on  
90.Cal : 3/30/2020 8:58 am : link
Davis from Cal... did injuries or his latest surgery hurt his grade? And would he fit with Peppers. Can Davis play centerfield? His range seemed crazy good a year or two ago..
RE: Sorry Sy' one last safety question before we move on  
Sy'56 : 3/30/2020 9:08 am : link
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Davis from Cal... did injuries or his latest surgery hurt his grade? And would he fit with Peppers. Can Davis play centerfield? His range seemed crazy good a year or two ago..


There is a growing concern around Davis and his durability / groin injury. End of the day though, we know he is fast (track) and we know he can make plays on the ball (tape)

Questions with him revolve around playing weight (I think he played closer to 190) and consistency. He only missed 2 games over a 4 year career but yes, the groin / soft tissue stuff concerns me a little.
Thanks Sy' appreciate all you do  
90.Cal : 3/30/2020 11:36 am : link
Can't wait for the other reviews as always. It seems to me mostly everyone got off topic and started looking ahead and asking about the LB's, the OL, etc... I have questions on those groups as well but I'll save those for those threads and look forward to your response as you always do respond to the questions posed, I try to ask good ones regarding players I'm personally interested in. Again, appreciate it... without getting a guy in FA yet I'm sure we will draft a safety at some point in this draft... I guess wherever the value makes sense when they're up to pick.
It may be smart to draft a guy at safety  
90.Cal : 3/30/2020 11:40 am : link
Who isn't just a fit to play with Jabrill but maybe someone who can replace him next year when he will have a high cap number on the 5th year option, and up for a big contract the following year... you never know, I like Jabrill but it's not like he was overly impressive last year by any stretch.. he was just alright, hopefully he can step up this season.
If the Giants go Simmons at #4  
Dnew15 : 3/30/2020 12:12 pm : link
it's entirely possible they have 3 players - Love, Peppers, and Simmons that are all essentially the same the guy.

IF they go that route - Graham will certainly be able to go "multiple" as he says when it comes to his plan. BUT it's going to require him to be very creative schematically.

If I were the Giants I would go OT, BUT the idea of all those guys roaming around the defensive side of the ball with James Bradberry on the outside matched up against the oppositions #1 and the wall of big guys they currently have... that idea intrigues me.

Of course, they still need a guy that can play a CF spot b/c they have literally no one that can do.

I'm certainly no mastermind DC - do you absolutely need a deep CF safety?
Lorenzo Carter seems similar too  
George from PA : 3/30/2020 10:28 pm : link
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I think we need to bring up Lorenzo Carter here  
cosmicj : 3/31/2020 2:20 am : link
The comp with Simmons isn’t that different in terms of athletic ability. Carter ran a 4.5 at 250; Simmons a 4.4 at 240. Simmons’ athletic profile is a bit better than Carter’s but they are in the same general area (which is elite). Carter’s splits are amazing for a man his size.

And so far Carter has turned out to be an average contributor. I’m not convinced he’s playing the right position. Should he be an ILB? In fact, if we want to strengthen that middle of the field pass defense, wouldn’t it be a much wiser investment to switch Carter’s position this summer to a fast coverage ILB role than to use our #4 pick on Simmons ?

That’s assuming Simmons is an LB. if he is actually a safety, then we need to bring up Love and Peppers and his Simmons will fit in with the roster.
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