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OT Isaiah Wilson - RT Georgia - 6'6" 350 - The Athletic

edavisiii : 3/29/2020 9:41 am
Ok, not the athlete of the "big 4." Not going to be an elite LT do to limited lateral movement. But he is huge 6'6" 350 and according to Bob McGinn (quote below), there are scouts that think he can get by on the left side. Dominant run blocker who is smart in Pass Protect. Described as tough & nasty!


“He could play on the left side. He’s enormous. He’s just not as clean of a package as Thomas. Thomas is a cleaner kid. But there’s film of Wilson where he looks every bit as good as Thomas.”


Probably could start at RT as a rookie. Could fill in at LT if needed. If we take a defensive player at 4, a center at 36 and he is there at the end of round 3 - beginning of round 4???? Thoughts?

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With the current state of this team  
Saos1n : 3/29/2020 9:44 am : link
I wouldn’t discount OT with the first two picks. Start the top selection at RT year one and insert the 2nd selection year two
I doubt Wilson lasts to the 3rd round.  
MadPlaid : 3/29/2020 9:50 am : link
Solid OT are in short supply and every team the league needs one.
No draft expert, but he probably goes in 2nd Rd  
George from PA : 3/29/2020 9:51 am : link
WRs should drop due to their #s.

Looks like RT exclusively.  
The_Boss : 3/29/2020 9:53 am : link
And because of that, maybe he lasts to round 3.
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Gmaniac1 : 3/29/2020 9:55 am : link
If we do move back and get an extra 2nd...  
Capt. Don : 3/29/2020 10:08 am : link
He might be a target there.
I think if we get him it'll have to be in round 2.  
Andy in Halifax : 3/29/2020 10:13 am : link
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The Giants need to come out of this draft with two OT's.  
Klaatu : 3/29/2020 10:15 am : link
No problem if Wilson is the second one they choose, wherever they choose him.
He's on my shortlist beginning in the second round  
JonC : 3/29/2020 10:23 am : link
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RE: The Giants need to come out of this draft with two OT's.  
FStubbs : 3/29/2020 10:29 am : link
In comment 14852922 Klaatu said:
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No problem if Wilson is the second one they choose, wherever they choose him.


It would be silly, but if the Giants spent their first 3 picks on offensive linemen I'd understand.
RE: He's on my shortlist beginning in the second round  
BillT : 3/29/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14852935 JonC said:
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Love to see a guy like him and/or the top center top of round 2 depending on how many picks we have there.
This is one of the guys we are looking at in Round 2  
jeffro1 : 3/29/2020 10:34 am : link
If we take Simmons
Honestly right now  
Larry from WV : 3/29/2020 10:43 am : link
I like the thought of

1.Simmons
2.Isaiah Wilson
3.Best Center Left
4.Best FS Left

Limited movement skills  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/29/2020 10:45 am : link
Did not test well. Not a fit for every scheme. That said if utilized correctly he definitely has some positives to his game.

https://youtu.be/vv-FiE49gsA
If the Giants don't go OT in round 1  
Jay on the Island : 3/29/2020 10:49 am : link
Wilson would be among at the top of my wish list for round 2 assuming Josh Jones and Austin Jackson are long gone. I don't know if he can play LT in the NFL but I am confident that he will be an excellent RT. Wilson is also ready to start in the NFL.

Good player that is exposed in pass protection  
LBH15 : 3/29/2020 10:56 am : link
if he can’t get into position quick enough to get his hands on rushers.

He would be a brave experiment at LT and will struggle some at Right but good enough to start on Giants.
As others have said  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/29/2020 11:10 am : link
If they want Wilson they will need to take him at the top of 2nd, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even there then.

Tackles always go higher than you imagine.
RE: If the Giants don't go OT in round 1  
AcidTest : 3/29/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 14852970 Jay on the Island said:
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Wilson would be among at the top of my wish list for round 2 assuming Josh Jones and Austin Jackson are long gone. I don't know if he can play LT in the NFL but I am confident that he will be an excellent RT. Wilson is also ready to start in the NFL.


^This. But I agree he has limited movement skills and lateral agility. He has some problems with edge rushers. I'm not sure he can play LT. He has film that shows at times he's as good as Thomas, but he's not nearly as polished in terms of his technique. He certainly has the length and size for a T. But he's probably a RT, and his best position may be G.
If we move down from #4  
Carl in CT : 3/29/2020 11:33 am : link
I have no problem with 3 OL (one a center) with first 3 picks.
The guy to look for from that UGA  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/29/2020 11:34 am : link
OL is guard Solomon Kindley. He was hurt a lot of last season but the kid is mobile, strong, and can be mean.
Guys, we have NO  
Dave on the UWS : 3/29/2020 11:39 am : link
starting C. Can’t just focus on OT. Someone needs to snap the damn ball ( and it can’t be Pulley. He is depth only.
He’s a great run blocker but really has trouble with speed rushers.  
yatqb : 3/29/2020 11:41 am : link
I was a fan early but the more I watched the more apparent that became. I wonder how he’d do at OG. He is a beast.
Very possible - and would love  
stoneman : 3/29/2020 11:43 am : link
if Young and Okudah went 2,3, Mia got nervous and moved up to 4 to get Tua/Herbert/Love giving us their 3rd, Giants select Simmons, Ruiz, and Wilson (top of 3rd). Pass rush next year.
Wilson  
HugeS : 3/29/2020 11:46 am : link
was higher rated than Thomas coming out of high school. He's physically freakish and more powerful than Thomas, but like others said the lateral quickness and mirroring skills probably keep him on the right side early on. His effectiveness will also be heavily scheme dependent. He'll probably struggle in a zone scheme but thrive in a run heavy power scheme. He seems like a prototypical ass kicking mauler for a Garrett type offense. Watch any four Georgia games and there will be moments where you'll wonder who the blue chip prospect really is between the two. Wilson could be a really nasty pro in the right scheme.

Georgia vs LSU (Wilson #79, Thomas #71)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MszTxrJxe8

Here you see Wilson smashing on Chaisson(#18) several times on both pass and run block but he loses two big ones, both inside spin moves(8:24 sack, 10:37 pressure). Thomas pretty much also throttles Chaisson on his blind side rushes except for a big outside dip and rip at 9:24 that's called incomplete but is right on the borderline sack/fumble.
I have no problem going for multiple OLs in the draft  
Victor in CT : 3/29/2020 11:46 am : link
but if they go OT in Rd 1, I would prioritize finding a way to get one of the top Cs before a 2nd OT. They HAVE to turn that donut into a Danish.
There are a lot of OTs with the same profile who have become good RTs  
edavisiii : 3/29/2020 11:47 am : link
Wirfs is considered as the best prospect (by SOME) because of his ability to get to the 2nd level. Barkley can make the 1st level miss. Wirfs could spring him for some long runs. All, just a thought!

Hope everyone is safe and healthy. I know NY is having a tough go of it so, if you live there, you are in our thoughts!
weather here in MISERABLE today.  
Victor in CT : 3/29/2020 11:50 am : link
dark, rain, drizzle and thunder
The same people clamoring to take Simmons  
Reb8thVA : 3/29/2020 12:39 pm : link
Over one of he four OTs at four because hey argue you can’t reach for players are now willing to reach for Wilson at the top of the second which is a reach for him, who is more of a mid to late second.

Call me stupid, but I’m taking my 10-12 year cornerstone LT at 4 and rolling the dice and see if I can get a pass rusher like Zack Baum at the top of the second, then taking a linebacker at 4 and a purely RT.
The  
AcidTest : 3/29/2020 12:52 pm : link
problem with not taking an OT at some point in the first round is that you'll miss out on Wirfs, Wills, Thomas, Becton, and probably Jones and Jackson. The Giants invested the #2 and #6 picks in Barkley and Jones. Somebody needs to block and protect them. That can't be a player who might develop into a LT at some point in the future.
RE: Guys, we have NO  
santacruzom : 3/29/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14853021 Dave on the UWS said:
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starting C. Can’t just focus on OT. Someone needs to snap the damn ball ( and it can’t be Pulley. He is depth only.


Center might be an organizational blindspot at the moment. Gettleman simply might feel they are okay at the position.
Reb8thVA  
HugeS : 3/29/2020 1:01 pm : link
Why not take both? Get your future left tackle at 4 and then take a mauler like Isaiah Wilson with your 2nd pick knowing you have no starting right tackle and Solder most likely getting pushed hard as the starter at left. Baun would be an absolute home run for the Giants in the second but I'd be surprised if he made it out of the first round. He aced the Senior Bowl, tested well at the combine and his game tape looks really outstanding. Can't see one of the pass rush starved teams in the mid/late first passing a shot at drafting him.
We need a plug and play high level OT starter...now  
Torrag : 3/29/2020 1:09 pm : link
You aren't getting that outside of the 1st Round. No one is. No one ever has.

We don't just need to fill the position. We need to upgrade it. The guys currently on the roster aren't good enough. The guys you'd be looking at in the later rounds could help solve the problem as we replace Solder and improve the depth in the future.

They won't help now. You get them into camp and some might not even start now. Which is what is required.

If it was an issue of reaching for players I'd understand the argument. That isn't the case. It's the best OT class in many years. Personally I have two Top 6 ranked prospects at the position. Many of the draft pundits/outlets have the same rankings. That's close enough considering the absolute necessity of solving the problem.

Simmons has flaws. Okudah has flaws. They aren't better prospects than these guys.
If they go tackle at #4  
JonC : 3/29/2020 1:39 pm : link
do Edge prospects like Gross-Matos and Baun figure to early second rounders?

Right now we can expect to draft a WR and C as well.
I think baun and matos should be early second rounders...  
Torrag : 3/29/2020 1:43 pm : link
who will get pushed up into Round 1 by the lack of pass rush depth in this class. It's really weak throughout.
I think he’s a bit overrated, and I’m not confident he goes  
barens : 3/29/2020 1:58 pm : link
On day 2. I think he’s the type of player who will quickly become the whipping boy of fans. When I watch him play, I don’t see Orlando Brown, I see more John Jerry. He definitely could have used another year at Georgia.
John Jerry??  
LeonBright45 : 3/29/2020 2:09 pm : link
No, that is not a fair assessment.

Wilson is well built and well proportioned. Watching Georgia you can't help but notice him. He is a beast. Now can he play Left Tackle? I don't know, but if we drafted him in the 3rd round I would be on board. We are focused on running the ball and we now have some Tight Ends who can help our Tackles on the edge.
RE: Reb8thVA  
Reb8thVA : 3/29/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14853095 HugeS said:
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Why not take both? Get your future left tackle at 4 and then take a mauler like Isaiah Wilson with your 2nd pick knowing you have no starting right tackle and Solder most likely getting pushed hard as the starter at left. Baun would be an absolute home run for the Giants in the second but I'd be surprised if he made it out of the first round. He aced the Senior Bowl, tested well at the combine and his game tape looks really outstanding. Can't see one of the pass rush starved teams in the mid/late first passing a shot at drafting him.


I would love to do that. I’m not sure the Giants will but they might. Also depends on how you value thi years crop of centers.
RE: John Jerry??  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/29/2020 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14853168 LeonBright45 said:
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No, that is not a fair assessment.

Wilson is well built and well proportioned. Watching Georgia you can't help but notice him. He is a beast. Now can he play Left Tackle? I don't know, but if we drafted him in the 3rd round I would be on board. We are focused on running the ball and we now have some Tight Ends who can help our Tackles on the edge.


Not like they don’t need a RT too. 3rd round sounds reasonable. Zero depth on this team. They could draft an OL in every round as shitty and thin as the OL really is
George Young  
LeonBright45 : 3/29/2020 3:30 pm : link
THE MAN finally got into the HOF. Deservedly so. It be great to go all in on the O-line in honor of the original Big George.

If we went with two OTs & a Center on day one I would be very happy.

Solder & Fleming would be keep the kids honest and we'd be set on the O-line once and for all.
RE: John Jerry??  
barens : 3/29/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14853168 LeonBright45 said:
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No, that is not a fair assessment.

Wilson is well built and well proportioned. Watching Georgia you can't help but notice him. He is a beast. Now can he play Left Tackle? I don't know, but if we drafted him in the 3rd round I would be on board. We are focused on running the ball and we now have some Tight Ends who can help our Tackles on the edge.


Jerry was an offensive tackle at Ole Miss too, and while my comparison might not be spot on, it's not far off either. I think DJ Fluker is another comp, and to be fair, they weren't bad players, but they just ended up being big time tipping boys here(more so Jerry).

If we draft this guy in the 2nd or 3rd round, just be prepared for a guy who's going to struggle against quicker defenders on the outside.
RE: If they go tackle at #4  
barens : 3/29/2020 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14853137 JonC said:
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do Edge prospects like Gross-Matos and Baun figure to early second rounders?

Right now we can expect to draft a WR and C as well.


Also a really big fan of Josh Uche from Michigan. It's funny, I was listening to Moving The Chains, they were interviewing Wills, and he said his toughest competition was Uche, and that says something going against constant SEC competition.
Knowing his story...  
LeonBright45 : 3/29/2020 6:26 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised to see us target Edge-Yetur Gross-Matos so that he can be reunited with "Coach Chaos" just like DT-Austin Johnson was just the other day. We like a tight knit family.
For the same reason  
LeonBright45 : 3/29/2020 6:27 pm : link
I could see Wills from Alabama being our first pick
RE: If they go tackle at #4  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/29/2020 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14853137 JonC said:
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do Edge prospects like Gross-Matos and Baun figure to early second rounders?

Right now we can expect to draft a WR and C as well.


I'm not expecting either to last until our second pick. Perhaps Baun, but Gross Matos is going to get snatched up by a 4-3 team.
Barens  
HugeS : 3/29/2020 6:55 pm : link
Isaiah Wilson and John Jerry couldn't be more different other than the fact they're both tall. Jerry was a finesse guy who used his feet and his length to overcome a lack of play strength at the point of attack. Until the wheels completely came off he wasn't half bad in pass pro, just a big marshmallow as a run blocker. A better comp if you're looking for professional busts would be Flowers or Fluker, huge maulers in college who smashed people in the run game but were very suspect in pass pro due to slow plodding feet or balance issues. Wilson probably had as many pancake blocks and brought as big a can of whoop ass as just about any tackle in college last year. But he got whooped too many times especially on inside counter moves where he'd overset, by premiere SEC speed rushers like K'Lavon Chaisson, Jonathan Greenard, and DJ Wonnum. The Wonnum one was especially ugly as he got turnstiled like Flowers on an inside stunt that led Fromm to throw an ugly pick six. Overall though, Wilson looks more put together than Flowers did coming out. If you look at the entirety of these matchups he got the better of most of these exchanges and improved as the year went on, and he dished out a whole lot of punishment. I wouldn't be mad if the Giants took Thomas in the first and Wilson in the second especially if they traded down a couple spots to get them and picked up another pick. Wills is my favorite of the tackles coming out but Thomas is no slouch either. Not as sold on Wirfs or Becton as pure tackle prospects. Of course we've gotta hope Garrett and Columbo have a better vision for their Oline than the dysfunctional mess that was the Giants the last 4 years.
I'd try to move up for Gross-Matos  
JonC : 3/30/2020 9:13 am : link
but we're lacking in 2020 draft capital.
RE: If they go tackle at #4  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/30/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14853137 JonC said:
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do Edge prospects like Gross-Matos and Baun figure to early second rounders?

Right now we can expect to draft a WR and C as well.


My amateur opinion is no. There are no pass rushers in this draft. The known commodities (Baun and Gross Matos) will be gone in rd 1.
RE: RE: If they go tackle at #4  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/30/2020 11:31 am : link
In comment 14853389 barens said:
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In comment 14853137 JonC said:


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do Edge prospects like Gross-Matos and Baun figure to early second rounders?

Right now we can expect to draft a WR and C as well.



Also a really big fan of Josh Uche from Michigan. It's funny, I was listening to Moving The Chains, they were interviewing Wills, and he said his toughest competition was Uche, and that says something going against constant SEC competition.


Uche is impressive.
RE: He’s a great run blocker but really has trouble with speed rushers.  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/4/2020 8:11 am : link
In comment 14853024 yatqb said:
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I was a fan early but the more I watched the more apparent that became. I wonder how he’d do at OG. He is a beast.


I agree that Wilson would be best at OG. Too many moments where he gets beat badly, both in pass pro and run blocking.
RE: RE: Guys, we have NO  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/4/2020 8:13 am : link
In comment 14853093 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14853021 Dave on the UWS said:


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starting C. Can’t just focus on OT. Someone needs to snap the damn ball ( and it can’t be Pulley. He is depth only.



Center might be an organizational blindspot at the moment. Gettleman simply might feel they are okay at the position.


If he does, he should be fired today!
Wilson  
Optimus-NY : 4/11/2020 8:57 am : link
A good RT prospect. Top of round 3/end of round 2.
RE: RE: Guys, we have NO  
PatersonPlank : 4/11/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 14853093 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14853021 Dave on the UWS said:


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starting C. Can’t just focus on OT. Someone needs to snap the damn ball ( and it can’t be Pulley. He is depth only.



Center might be an organizational blindspot at the moment. Gettleman simply might feel they are okay at the position.


I'm on board for an OT at #4 and a C at #36. If we can trade down and get a 2nd 1st rounder, so like down to #9 and #20 for example, then grab the OT and an Edge/LB at #20 (like Matos or Murray)
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