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| They must draft one of the Core Four offensive tackles — Tristan Wirfs or Mekhi Becton or Andrew Thomas or Jedrick Wills — in the first round and the best available center in the second round with the 36th pick, if it isn’t a reach or if a pass rusher rated considerably higher is still on the board. Jones can use his legs to escape the pocket, but that doesn’t mean anyone should expect him to start 210 straight games and be an Eli-esque Iron Man. The two games he missed as a rookie ought to serve as a reminder. And if Barkley is ever going to silence the analytics crowd that rails against using a second-overall pick on a running back — even if he is a weapon more than just a running back — he will need something more akin to the kind of offensive line Ezekiel Elliott is privileged to have paving a path for him in Dallas, and Barkley needs it yesterday, because he will be entering his third season already. |
I just still hurt over E. Flowers at #10.
I just still hurt over E. Flowers at #10.
No doubt. But that's Young in his own zip code and that's it. There are at least 2 of the 4 OTs that should be in next tier under Young.
Draft an OLinemen
Draft an OLinemen
Did he say both parts or just the 1st part?
It’s that simple. If we run the ball more like it appears they’re going to ..... then the time of possession will be better and as a result, the defense will be better.
Take him at #4. Take him in a trade down. Just take him.
Only Young would qualify and he'll be gone. If by some miracle he isn't then that's the exception to the rule.
You don't pass on Walter Payton 'cause you need a guard. That's what the Colts did in 1975.
The surest way for the Giants to protect Daniel Jones is to improve the football team. That starts not with new players but with a head coach and coaching staff getting more out of the players you already have. The answer is to work hard and improve.
Teams that use the draft to "address their needs" will just be addressing those same needs, over and over. Those are the teams that never get any better.
The Giants were 3-12-1 in 1983. They had the third overall pick in the '84 draft. They had needs everywhere. Everywhere that is except outside linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt and Andy Headen were all 25 or younger. Yet the Giants wisely didn't "address their needs." They took another outside linebacker, Carl Banks from Michigan State. I don't think George Young or Tom Boisture ever regretted that pick.
The Giants will be picking the players with the highest grades. Why would they do all that work just to disregard it when it counts the most?
You don't pass on Walter Payton 'cause you need a guard. That's what the Colts did in 1975.
The surest way for the Giants to protect Daniel Jones is to improve the football team. That starts not with new players but with a head coach and coaching staff getting more out of the players you already have. The answer is to work hard and improve.
Teams that use the draft to "address their needs" will just be addressing those same needs, over and over. Those are the teams that never get any better.
The Giants were 3-12-1 in 1983. They had the third overall pick in the '84 draft. They had needs everywhere. Everywhere that is except outside linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt and Andy Headen were all 25 or younger. Yet the Giants wisely didn't "address their needs." They took another outside linebacker, Carl Banks from Michigan State. I don't think George Young or Tom Boisture ever regretted that pick.
The Giants will be picking the players with the highest grades. Why would they do all that work just to disregard it when it counts the most?
Most here are asserting the grade for the OT matches the players that will be there at 4. We aren't talking about an Ereck Flowers reach here. Young as Torrag mentioned is the only non QB in a row by himself and changes the equation.
If you could look into the future and know none of these guys would ever become more than average joes in the NFL would you still take hem at #4?
I have no idea how the Giants have these guys rated, but if they don’t see a guy with all-star potential, I am fine not taking one at the top of the first. The goal is to acquire talent, not a guy marginally better than Nate Solder.
So ur ok with lving DJ hanging in the breeze all year for a pipe dream? Brilliant.
Draft BPA in the 1st round
It’s that simple. If we run the ball more like it appears they’re going to ..... then the time of possession will be better and as a result, the defense will be better.
This statement is simply not true. Our defense was not one of the worst in the league because they were on the field for too long due to an offense they struggled. They sucked because they could not stop anyone. They could not cover anyone because they have zero talent at linebacker.
I'm ok if they pick an OT at 4 if they do not like Simmons and they think one of the OTs are great. But if they like Simmons and unsure about the OTs being a Left Tackle at the NFL level then that would be a grave mistake.
If all things are equal then they need to think who they can get later in the draft and next year's draft/free agency to improve the position they do not take.
A lot of improvements already on that side. We have to see what we have.
I think he probably really likes Slayton, the seem to have a good report. So I would guess OL too, since I bet he didn't like Remmers that much. Plus he is probably sick of fumbling
A QB that struggled with peripheral pass rush transfixing on route development. Not to say he can't improve there but I don't assume it either. I get him tackle protection above everything else.
He'd take CeeDee Lamb before Jeudy
Not saying we don't need a Center but we have Gates who they may see as an OC. He got snaps there in preseason and practices. Zietler also has potential to play in that spot. We currently have no one who can play LT at even an adequate level unless you are assuming a huge rebound for Solder which I'm not banking on.
But it's over-simplification.
Ernie Accorsi regretted not picking Walter Payton, which drove him to pick UCLA's Shaun Williams; oh what a mistake that was (when there was a screaming need for O-line help), passing on eventual multiple-time ALL PRO Alan Faneca.
The best draft starts by identifying and prioritizing needs, then evaluating the available talent in free agency and the draft. I agree, the most critical need right now is protecting Jones (and there's a lot of highly rated OT talent in the draft). The question - are any of those guys worth a top of the draft board pick ? (Recall, the Giants pooped in the bed picking Pugh and Flowers)
If not you go to the next next need, you ask yourself the same question, and so forth ...
Revisionist history. Raanan had Flowers as the NYG pick a month before the draft.
There was a lot of pre-draft discussion about Brandon Scherff but no surprise when Flowers was the pick with Scherff not there. There was no one else who was a consensus "if Scherff is gone" expected pick by the Giants.
And everyone knew the Giants wanted to go OL; Mara had gone public about it at the end of the '14 season.
Raanan a month out:
All of this factors into the equation. It's why I picked Flowers at No. 9 in my mock draft. Most importantly though, it's because the Giants think very highly of him.
nj.com 4/2/15 - ( New Window )
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That's profoundly mistaken.
You don't pass on Walter Payton 'cause you need a guard. That's what the Colts did in 1975.
The surest way for the Giants to protect Daniel Jones is to improve the football team. That starts not with new players but with a head coach and coaching staff getting more out of the players you already have. The answer is to work hard and improve.
Teams that use the draft to "address their needs" will just be addressing those same needs, over and over. Those are the teams that never get any better.
The Giants were 3-12-1 in 1983. They had the third overall pick in the '84 draft. They had needs everywhere. Everywhere that is except outside linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt and Andy Headen were all 25 or younger. Yet the Giants wisely didn't "address their needs." They took another outside linebacker, Carl Banks from Michigan State. I don't think George Young or Tom Boisture ever regretted that pick.
The Giants will be picking the players with the highest grades. Why would they do all that work just to disregard it when it counts the most?
Most here are asserting the grade for the OT matches the players that will be there at 4. We aren't talking about an Ereck Flowers reach here. Young as Torrag mentioned is the only non QB in a row by himself and changes the equation.
I just still hurt over E. Flowers at #10.
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2. A wide receiver later on.
3. Pile in on the offensive line the rest of the way.
Everyone talks about protecting Jones, which I understand, but an OL that can open holes for Barkley is arguably even more of a priority. If he's not stopped at the line of scrimmage, Barkley is a nightmare for opposing defences to play against.
Where do you come up with shit like this?
The Giants were picking in the mid-20's when Williams was selected. How did missing out on Payton at pick #4 have to do with picking Williams at the end of the 1st??
Furthermore, Williams was part of a Giants team that went to a SB and the playoffs 4 times in his career. It isn't like he was a terrible pick or a terrible player. He was oft-injured at the end of his career, but was very solid for 5 years. It wasn't like he was a bust and a terrible pick.
Personally, I'd rather the Giants take the defensive stud in round one then go heavy offensive line for just about the rest of the draft.
Reaching means you take a guy above a reasonably expected draft spot, foregoing players who are forecast to be a better prospect. Perhaps Flowers falls into that category. But that's not why he was such a bad pick. Had he played anywhere near what he was forecast to, he would have been at least serviceable.
That's what a reach gets you - an OK player instead of a good player (presuming they play according to prediction).
IF we had traded back, and taken Flowers at a spot where he wouldn't be considered a reach, he still would have been a busted pick.
IMO, as long as the reach isn't too drastic, it is acceptable. Don't forego a kick ass prospect in favor of a decent one. But it is rarely that black/white.
Above all, quality prospect analysis is the number one driver in successful drafting. No one is 100%, but failure in that dept is what made Flowers a bad pick, not because he was taken above where he was forecast to be picked.
Pugh was a reach. Flowers was a bust
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the top 10 and 3 in the top 12 or so. . . they are fair game for #4 and not a reach. Flowers was a reach, everyone was stunned.
Revisionist history. Raanan had Flowers as the NYG pick a month before the draft.
There was a lot of pre-draft discussion about Brandon Scherff but no surprise when Flowers was the pick with Scherff not there. There was no one else who was a consensus "if Scherff is gone" expected pick by the Giants.
And everyone knew the Giants wanted to go OL; Mara had gone public about it at the end of the '14 season.
Raanan a month out:
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With Flowers' size and skills, there is little doubt that he's an NFL tackle. There is significantly more uncertainty when it comes to Scherff and LSU's La'el Collins. Some teams have them pegged as guards, although the Giants seem to think Scherff is a tackle.
All of this factors into the equation. It's why I picked Flowers at No. 9 in my mock draft. Most importantly though, it's because the Giants think very highly of him.
nj.com 4/2/15 - ( New Window )
I told BBI at the very beginning of March that Flowers was their target. It was no secret.