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Beckton is the one OT, I do not want out of the big four!!

dk in TX : 3/30/2020 3:05 pm
Not even in a trade back. We do not need another project (with "huge intangibles") after the Ereck Flowers debacle. Hell to the NO😣👎👎.
I can understand your reluctance  
Prude : 3/30/2020 3:12 pm : link
But there is a massive difference between Becton and Flowers. Flowers was considered a project because he had technique issues but his real problem was coordination and body control. He was a spaz and you can't coach that out of someone.
Becton doesn't even have bad technique, he just hasn't been asked to drop into pass sets much do to scheme. Watching Bection pull out to block on sweeps or get up inyo the 2nd level to find a LB or S it's very clear that he has no issues with balance or body control. Becton is also WAY bigger and stronger than Flowers was.
everyone should google  
Chip : 3/30/2020 3:12 pm : link
Becton pushing truck. Its awesome.
Comparing him to Flowers is lazy.  
Brown Recluse : 3/30/2020 3:13 pm : link
Be better.
Comparing him to Flowers is lazy.  
Brown Recluse : 3/30/2020 3:13 pm : link
Be better.
RE: Comparing him to Flowers is lazy.  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/30/2020 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14854306 Brown Recluse said:
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Be better.


+1
RE: I can understand your reluctance  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/30/2020 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14854298 Prude said:
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But there is a massive difference between Becton and Flowers. Flowers was considered a project because he had technique issues but his real problem was coordination and body control. He was a spaz and you can't coach that out of someone.
Becton doesn't even have bad technique, he just hasn't been asked to drop into pass sets much do to scheme. Watching Bection pull out to block on sweeps or get up inyo the 2nd level to find a LB or S it's very clear that he has no issues with balance or body control. Becton is also WAY bigger and stronger than Flowers was.


+1
Wirfs is the guy I don’t want  
The_Boss : 3/30/2020 3:16 pm : link
Everyone has opinions.
Wirfs will be a great pro  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/30/2020 3:19 pm : link
...but a lot of analysts think he better projects in the NFL as a guard. I think an OG is too early to pick at #4.
Awful thread  
Saquads26 : 3/30/2020 3:22 pm : link
Delete
I think you mean to say  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/30/2020 3:31 pm : link
I don't want <whomever we pick at #4> to end up as a bust like Flowers or Apple etc...

Not sure any of us know who is going to bust or who might be a 10 yr All-Pro.
I am sure everyone has an opinion but  
George from PA : 3/30/2020 3:32 pm : link
No one really knows for sure....who will be best of the bunch....
RE: Comparing him to Flowers is lazy.  
barens : 3/30/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14854308 Brown Recluse said:
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Be better.


Comparing any of these guys to Flowers is lazy.
WTF does "huge intangibles" mean?  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/30/2020 3:36 pm : link
Do you have any idea what people mean when they talk about intangibles in a sports context?
I'm under the impression that there is an unwritten rule  
NYRiese : 3/30/2020 3:58 pm : link
regarding the 1st round selections:
You must not take any chances whatsoever on the pick.
There should be no uncertainties or risks involved...what you see is what you get and its what you want right here and now.
RE: WTF does  
Giantsfan79 : 3/30/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14854328 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Do you have any idea what people mean when they talk about intangibles in a sports context?


it generally means work ethic/intelligence/heart, determination etc. Things that can't be measured compared to height/weight/40 time.
I still think  
NikkiMac : 3/30/2020 4:06 pm : link
When it’s all said and done Giants take Andrew Thomas he is the safest pick of the four can be the swing tackle rarely gets beat inside which is good for a college lineman or he could probably start over Solder or start at RT .....personally I would be all for it especially on a trade back
RE: Wirfs will be a great pro  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/30/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14854315 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...but a lot of analysts think he better projects in the NFL as a guard. I think an OG is too early to pick at #4.


To my untrained eye he looks like a guy that is going to end up inside.

I'm a novice but the more I see, the more I think Wills is the guy.

Becton scares me a little.
wirfs worries me the most  
GiantsFan84 : 3/30/2020 4:16 pm : link
and i get comparisons to him and flowers. the comparisons would be that these guys had all the potential in the world, but have technique issues. flowers had a terrific oline coach in miami and wirfs does as well at iowa. and yet they both still have technique issues. it's not because they didn't have proper coaching. so the question i have with wirfs is does he take to coaching or will he have to be moved inside where technique won't be as much of an issue (see flowers).

becton simply hasn't been coached like a pro because he hasn't played in a pro style offense too often. comparing him to flowers is very lazy
A guy that big  
Giant John : 3/30/2020 4:49 pm : link
Will have health issues to me he is a guard if healthy.
Well I’m glad you are not  
Earl the goat : 3/30/2020 4:53 pm : link
The GM

I wouldn’t be shocked if Sy has him rated first of the OTs
The Flowers comparison is way off  
Manning10 : 3/30/2020 5:13 pm : link
Flowers was a reach by the Giants, everything I read prior to the Draft had Flowers going much later.
As far as his size Google "Bob Brown offensive tackle" Played in the 60s and 70s Hall of famer. Look at him and compare him to Beckton. I am sure youtube has vids on Him.
Becton's  
DG_89 : 3/30/2020 5:20 pm : link
size and the fact he seems to be such an easy mover at that size intrigues me. The write ups I've read all say his work ethic is strong and that he's teachable so any technique issues should be ironed out. What makes me say no is what intrigues me: his size. Will be be able to keep his weight in check?
RE: I can understand your reluctance  
section125 : 3/30/2020 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14854298 Prude said:
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But there is a massive difference between Becton and Flowers. Flowers was considered a project because he had technique issues but his real problem was coordination and body control. He was a spaz and you can't coach that out of someone.
Becton doesn't even have bad technique, he just hasn't been asked to drop into pass sets much do to scheme. Watching Bection pull out to block on sweeps or get up inyo the 2nd level to find a LB or S it's very clear that he has no issues with balance or body control. Becton is also WAY bigger and stronger than Flowers was.


I don't know that he doesn't have technique issues. He bends from the waste an awful lot.
RE: I'm under the impression that there is an unwritten rule  
Prude : 3/30/2020 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14854362 NYRiese said:
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regarding the 1st round selections:
You must not take any chances whatsoever on the pick.
There should be no uncertainties or risks involved...what you see is what you get and its what you want right here and now.


Not taking a risk is also a risk. We don't have huge embarassing holes on our roster like most people think. Every roster in the league has below average guys starting somewhere on the field. The biggest problem the Giants have is that there is only 1 game-breaking player that demands special attention. Hopefully dexter lawrence, jones, baker or slayton develop into one of those guys in year 2, but even if they do what this team needs more than anything else is pro-bowl and all-pro caliber players, regardless of where they play on the field. Another average starter on the OL is not going to be enough.
RE: A guy that big  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/30/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14854416 Giant John said:
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Will have health issues to me he is a guard if healthy.


Ogden, McKinney, Trent Brown all guys 340 plus. Becton holds the weight well too. He is not a sloppy weight. He is just a gargantuan man.
RE: RE: A guy that big  
GFAN52 : 3/30/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14854499 MeadowlandsMike said:
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In comment 14854416 Giant John said:


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Will have health issues to me he is a guard if healthy.



Ogden, McKinney, Trent Brown all guys 340 plus. Becton holds the weight well too. He is not a sloppy weight. He is just a gargantuan man.


Yeah, at his height there are plenty of players as you mentioned that can carry that weight and play effectively without health issues.
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RomanWH : 3/30/2020 6:49 pm : link
Becton is the Zion Williamson of the big 4 OT prospects. Crazy high potential. Concerns about size/weight at the next level.
Passing on Becton because of Flowers  
Lurts : 3/30/2020 10:28 pm : link
Would be like passing on Linval because of Willie Jo
When Is A Top Pick A Good One?  
Percy : 3/30/2020 10:32 pm : link
We'll never know until the first game he starts in.
Flowers seemed uncoachable  
Lurts : 3/30/2020 10:32 pm : link
Becton invites coaching
RE: Wirfs will be a great pro  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/30/2020 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14854315 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...but a lot of analysts think he better projects in the NFL as a guard. I think an OG is too early to pick at #4.


If the G Zack Martin or Quentin Nelson IMO maybe not. Martin is going to be wearing a Gold Jacket one day. Not sure Wirfs will be that good but you better be damn sure at 4 regardless of who it is
If we take a an OT with our first pick  
JFIB : 3/31/2020 10:04 am : link
I hope it is Jed Wills. He is the most technically sound out of the top four and he will only get stronger in an NFL program.
RE: If we take a an OT with our first pick  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/31/2020 11:43 am : link
In comment 14854912 JFIB said:
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I hope it is Jed Wills. He is the most technically sound out of the top four and he will only get stronger in an NFL program.


And the physical traits are definitely good enough combined with the intangible traits: intelligence character awareness etc.
RE: RE: WTF does  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/31/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14854367 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 14854328 Gatorade Dunk said:


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Do you have any idea what people mean when they talk about intangibles in a sports context?



it generally means work ethic/intelligence/heart, determination etc. Things that can't be measured compared to height/weight/40 time.

Thanks, I know what it means. I was curious if the OP knew what it meant based on the quotation marks and the context.
Beckon is a bit of a boom or bust guy,  
Section331 : 3/31/2020 4:38 pm : link
but his measurable make the boom possibility awfully tantalizing. Plus, the fact that the guy completely remade his body over a 3 year period shows that he will work hard.

I’m not saying he should be the pick, but he is not Erick Flowers.
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