Glazer: Gettleman Has One Year to Turn Around the Giants

bye-bye. This team is not turning around this year. They will be lucky to be in the 4-6 win range.
I do think they may be at least decent in 2021..

so the next year should be interesting

First of all what constitutes 'turns around'. How many more wins is that exactly? yet another ambiguous article to elicit hits from a spastic fanbase.

Has DG ever done anything bad to Jay Glazer?

Becton / Wirfs/Wills and then Ruiz will go along way in the development of Jones along with making Barkley the Star he should be and saving Gettleman job

He doesn’t need to force the pick He’s not here for the long haul and I think he will do the right thing in setting up the franchise for the future

I disagree with theory that a GM on the hot-seat, in this case Dave, will forgo a foundational player and instead opt for an exciting, instant gratification player.

Dave in his opening presser recognized the need to fix the OL. He preached how it all starts up front in the trenches on both sides of the ball. He has devoted a lot of resources on the DL, but the OL is still no closer to be fixed despite draft picks/trades/FA signings. I would counter the proposed theory that is put forth by Ryan that it is more likely that Dave focus considerable draft resources on addressing the OL. He cluster drafted a defensive secondary. He has his Gold Jacket at RB. He has his franchise QB. He's drafted and traded resources on the DL. But he has failed on the OL.

Gettleman has drafted pretty well. His issue has been some of his free agency decisions. Gettleman has acknowledged his batting average re: free agency has to improve. Don't think they are as far away as some think. But that all depends on the decisions they make next. OL & LB corps are the major needs. Unrealistic to think they'll fix both completely in one season. But what they can't do, especially Gettleman is make a bad decision in either of those areas.

How do you define turn it around? They could be much better than the last 2 years and still be a sub 500 team. And, has it ever happened that a rookie coach takes on a really bad team and turns it around in 1 year?

Last, this team has a pretty bad defense even with the free agent signings . As much as the OL needs help , and it does, over the last few years, the Giants lost many games on the last drive because the defense could not hold a lead. This defense still needs alot of help before they are respectable

Based on the number of quality teams we’re set to play this year, my assumption is we’ll have a new GM next year. I don’t see any way how this team gets to 7 wins.

New coach. New systems. And the team cannot convene until nobody knows.

In comment 14854583 Torrag said:

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First of all what constitutes 'turns around'. How many more wins is that exactly? yet another ambiguous article to elicit hits from a spastic fanbase.

I think it will more have to do with how Jones and Barkley perform, and as long as they aren't worse than they were. But beating the Cowboys and Eagles would be a great start.

you guys haven't been following the NFL for the past 20 years.

Dave Gettleman and co. are getting 3 years to turn around the Giants. He’s 2/3 of the way through his powder.

needed to make a big splash this year, it would make sense to backload contracts and sign more top players.

In comment 14854596 Samiam said:

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How do you define turn it around? They could be much better than the last 2 years and still be a sub 500 team. And, has it ever happened that a rookie coach takes on a really bad team and turns it around in 1 year? Last, this team has a pretty bad defense even with the free agent signings . As much as the OL needs help , and it does, over the last few years, the Giants lost many games on the last drive because the defense could not hold a lead. This defense still needs alot of help before they are respectable

Well, the Rams comes to mind but that's about it.

I think he’s gonna make a few key picks this year, and although the record might not reflect it completely, it will be apparent that we’re much improved and getting close.

Old news.

DG should be fired. He's had a chance to hire 2 head coaches, and this will be his 3rd draft class in the Top 10.

If things to improve what justifies keeping him?

In comment 14854588 Diver_Down said:

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I disagree with theory that a GM on the hot-seat, in this case Dave, will forgo a foundational player and instead opt for an exciting, instant gratification player. Dave in his opening presser recognized the need to fix the OL. He preached how it all starts up front in the trenches on both sides of the ball. He has devoted a lot of resources on the DL, but the OL is still no closer to be fixed despite draft picks/trades/FA signings. I would counter the proposed theory that is put forth by Ryan that it is more likely that Dave focus considerable draft resources on addressing the OL. He cluster drafted a defensive secondary. He has his Gold Jacket at RB. He has his franchise QB. He's drafted and traded resources on the DL. But he has failed on the OL.

Big adds for OL coming this draft. All signs as you describe are pointing to this...

I just don’t get it.

He presented his plan already one time. It was win with Eli. Win as you retool. He picked his coach. It failed miserably.

So now, a new coach with a longer leash (according to Mara) and a total rebuild Is in full effect.

There is just a disconnect. Seems like DG should have gone too.

One more year?

Draft picks @ #2, #6, #4 and traded for #17 & #30. 90mm in cap space this year and we still might only win 4 or 5 games.

I don’t get it. I hope we win. Maybe it all falls into place but ... man it sure has the looks of a big 3 year swing and miss.

I just can’t see how this is true. Mara has to know this is a 6-8 win team.

This will be Dave's third year as GM. And it's not even like you can say the arrow is pointing up since the team won less games last year than year 1. And they've won 9 games with Dave as GM. This is his last chance. The strong majority of the roster (if not the entire roster) is made up of his acquisitions now. He's out of excuses.

DG has to turn it around. No where does it indicate what turn it around means. Many have commented that the measurement should be in wins. At the most fundamental measure, it should be. But a more nuanced measure is to see meaningful football. No automatic conversions by the opponent when it is 3rd and 18. Daniel not getting sacked 38 times. Saquon not getting hit behind the LoS. And so forth.

Watching the replay of the 2006 Manning Bowl tonight, and it was a stark contrast in Giants football. It was still a sloppy game with penalties and back-breaking interception in the waning minutes of the game. But it was night and day to what we have marched out on the football field the past few years.

0-6 wins - DG is fired

7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses

9+ wins - DG is kept

In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said:

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0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept

I think you are way off. If we go 6-10 and are competitive then I don't see how he isn't back. We have a new coaching staff with a shitty situation in terms of the staff being around the new staff. We have a second year QB in a new system. This year really isn't about wins and losses. It is about growth of these young players, coming together, and showing they are ready to take the next step. You also have to understand how brutal the NFC is right now and how difficult our schedule is. Even our offseason moves point toward us buiding the right way and not going all in this year. We have front loaded our contracts for a few reasons but one of them is that we can still be players in FA when this team is ready to truly compete. Anybody thinking this team is truly competing this year is fooling themselves.

Then pontificates about his own idiotic theory....what a moron.

While totally disregarding the facts in front of his face....amazing.

Why would DG set up FA contract that are front loaded?

He might have sign 3/4 more front line FA, if they backloaded the contract, if he was desperate....

What a jackass

In comment 14854643 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said: Quote: 0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept I think you are way off. If we go 6-10 and are competitive then I don't see how he isn't back. We have a new coaching staff with a shitty situation in terms of the staff being around the new staff. We have a second year QB in a new system. This year really isn't about wins and losses. It is about growth of these young players, coming together, and showing they are ready to take the next step. You also have to understand how brutal the NFC is right now and how difficult our schedule is. Even our offseason moves point toward us buiding the right way and not going all in this year. We have front loaded our contracts for a few reasons but one of them is that we can still be players in FA when this team is ready to truly compete. Anybody thinking this team is truly competing this year is fooling themselves.

Sorry, our staff being around the players.

In comment 14854643 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said: Quote: 0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept I think you are way off. If we go 6-10 and are competitive then I don't see how he isn't back. We have a new coaching staff with a shitty situation in terms of the staff being around the new staff. We have a second year QB in a new system. This year really isn't about wins and losses. It is about growth of these young players, coming together, and showing they are ready to take the next step. You also have to understand how brutal the NFC is right now and how difficult our schedule is. Even our offseason moves point toward us buiding the right way and not going all in this year. We have front loaded our contracts for a few reasons but one of them is that we can still be players in FA when this team is ready to truly compete. Anybody thinking this team is truly competing this year is fooling themselves.

while I take exception to your argument next season isn't about wins/losses, can I also take from your post that if the Giants win 0-5 games next year you'd be for getting rid of DG?

it doesn't look good.

Signing a bunch of fringe starters to a bad football team is not going to produce a massive turnaround.

In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said:

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0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept

I think Peter King hypothesized that a competitive 7-9 is the line in the sand with DG. Anything less and he is probably toast. So looking ahead:
If you assume 4-0 vs Washington, Chicago, and Cincinnati (not totally out of the realm of possibility), they need to find 3 more wins vs teams that, in all likelihood, will field better rosters over the other 12 games:
Dallas, Philadelphia, Seattle, SF, Rams, Steelers, Browns, Ravens, Brady’s Bucs, and yes the Cardinals.
I hope Dave is renting....

I get the argument. I truly do. We need to see the attire pointing up. But that was the argument many were making the past 2 years. And the arrow hasn't been pointing up.

At some point it has to be about wins and losses. We have a potential franchise QB and we need to actually win with him on the rookie deal, especially the first 4 years when he is getting paid peanuts.

And I don't care how "competitive" we are, if we are out of it by Halloween again, he needs to go.

head coach hire.

I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays.

think we have to be at least 7-9 for him to return.

In comment 14854659 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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head coach hire. I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays.

9-27 with a blown head coach isn’t mediocrity. It’s abject failure. Dave’s one of the 3-5 worst executives in the league.

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head coach hire. I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays.

The idea there is a large group of posters here that think Gettleman is doing a great job and are huge fans of his is a complete myth.

What we have is a group of posters who don't think he's complete dogshit. Not sure how that constitutes a fan club, but I don't put a lot of stock in the comprehension of the average BBI'er.

doesn't make sense.

Mara should have either gotten rid of him in January or given him 2-3 more years. This in between stuff for a team that will be fortunate to be 8-8 in 2020 makes little sense.

Glazer tends to be on the ball however. If he is, I consider this another red flag on Mara.

In comment 14854675 Eric from BBI said:

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doesn't make sense. Mara should have either gotten rid of him in January or given him 2-3 more years. This in between stuff for a team that will be fortunate to be 8-8 in 2020 makes little sense. Glazer tends to be on the ball however. If he is, I consider this another red flag on Mara.

The article was from today. The Glazer quote I think was from January. The author is a nobody who probably dislikes Dave as much as many here do and had nothing better to do while quarantined.

given all of his blunders and how bad the team had been. Of course he’ll be fired if the team stinks again. Does anyone really thinks he gets half a decade to put a competitive team out there?

Gettleman’s hope is that our talent is a lot better than it looked last year and numerous players will make a leap under Judge.

In comment 14854576 section125 said:

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bye-bye. This team is not turning around this year. They will be lucky to be in the 4-6 win range. I do think they may be at least decent in 2021..

Not for nothing but I really hate these takes. There is a lot of posters on this site that have said this and similar.

Here's some recent entrants to the NFL that are starting QB's and how they did in their 2nd season in the NFL:

Jared Goff: 11-4
Pat Mahomes: 12-4
Carson Wentz: 11-2
Josh Allen: 10-6
DeShaun Watson: 11-5
Lamar Jackson: 13-2

Most of those guys had losing records in their first season. Hell, Jared Goff didn't win a single game as a starter in his rookie year (0-7).

I get that nothing is promised in the NFL, but there is absolutely no reason, that with a good draft, the Giants can't compete for the division next season.

The Giants just added a damn fine corner that will really help Deandre Baker, who was really good in his own right towards the end of the year. They have good players on the DL. We have an All-World RB.

The added quality veterans with leadership on both sides of the ball, to mix in with some seriously good young talented players. Remember that draft haul Gettleman brought last year? I expect it will really bear fruit in year 2, and Daniel Jones is smart enough and talented enough to improve mightily in year 2. He improved as the year went on last season.

But all I here is that the Giants are not close and years away from competing. How about we let them play the games and see what Coach Judge and his staff can do with this team?

I don't see a losing team next year. Sure, things can go off the rails, critical injuries can happen to jeopardize everything, but I think this team is a lot closer to being a winner than they were when the season ended. I think they can do it. Not in 2 or 3 years, but next year.

a lot more fluid and have a lot more variables than what Glazer is stating here. While I think Gettleman is certainly on the hot seat, there was either a conversation about their off-season strategy or he’s doing right by the Giants out of loyalty and where he is in his career. I was worried about a hot seat GMs motivations but he hasn’t acted short sighted this FA.

Is simply not enough time to give him a failing grade.

We all know the mistakes....many he cut bait, which in my mind implied it was his mistake.....others (Bethea) we had to endure all year, which gave me the impression it was someone else's idea.

If Shummer was all his idea....he would have been fired imo....Mara had more to do with Shurmur then publicly known.

His drafts have had better results then his predecessor...

The Giants must compete this year.....the fan base that go to the game must think they can win....instead of selling their tickets.....to competitive fans....MetLife games must be enjoyable

Bottom line, DG will live and die by Jones.

Three full off seasons is a representative period to gauge talent acquisition.

He'll have had 5 1st round picks, 3 in the top 10.

He'll have had 2 shots at head coach.

He'll have replaced all but 3 players.

Hand picked QB, hand picked RB.

Two off seasons with big UFA spend.

In comment 14854677 The_Boss said:

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The article was from today. The Glazer quote I think was from January. The author is a nobody who probably dislikes Dave as much as many here do and had nothing better to do while quarantined.

The Glazer quote was from today. It's from his Q&A on the athletic. Since it's just one question out of many I think it's ok to post.

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Given how close it appeared Dave Gettleman was to being let go at the end of the season and John Mara’s comment about him needing to “Get his batting average up,” do you think he is still in the hot seat being that the Giants now have a young first-time head coach? If the Giants have another poor season, do you believe he ends up retiring to Cape Cod? — Dan R. I don’t know if he’ll end up retiring but yeah, I think he was close this year. He made a case to ownership to come back. He presented a plan for how he’ll turn it around in a year. That needs to happen. If it doesn’t happen, he’ll be gone and rightfully so. If he doesn’t follow through, it’s time to go. I would hope that Gettleman has also learned a bit about himself and his interactions with people during this process. Anytime you’re on the hot seat, you have to look inside yourself and say, “What’s my responsibility in this?” and make changes.

who pays attention to the OP anyway.

In comment 14854695 Giantsfan79 said:

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In comment 14854677 The_Boss said: Quote: The article was from today. The Glazer quote I think was from January. The author is a nobody who probably dislikes Dave as much as many here do and had nothing better to do while quarantined. The Glazer quote was from today. It's from his Q&A on the athletic. Since it's just one question out of many I think it's ok to post. Quote: Given how close it appeared Dave Gettleman was to being let go at the end of the season and John Mara’s comment about him needing to “Get his batting average up,” do you think he is still in the hot seat being that the Giants now have a young first-time head coach? If the Giants have another poor season, do you believe he ends up retiring to Cape Cod? — Dan R. I don’t know if he’ll end up retiring but yeah, I think he was close this year. He made a case to ownership to come back. He presented a plan for how he’ll turn it around in a year. That needs to happen. If it doesn’t happen, he’ll be gone and rightfully so. If he doesn’t follow through, it’s time to go. I would hope that Gettleman has also learned a bit about himself and his interactions with people during this process. Anytime you’re on the hot seat, you have to look inside yourself and say, “What’s my responsibility in this?” and make changes.

Thx for clarifying. I could have sworn I saw a quote like that from Glazer back after Shurmer got canned.

pick a coach, some coordinators and a GM and just stick with it for at least 5 years.

also BBI needs take a seat on the bench when it comes to calling for peoples jobs this season.

just because Jay Glazer made a bold prediction, people make him out to be some deity. He also reported (not a bold prediction) that Gettlman was on shaky ground after last season and started a news cycle that implied DG was going to get canned. So, keep that report in mind when you read this one. He is trying to salvage his reporting by saying that Gettleman had to fight to save his job and the proof is that he is on this one year deal. Sounds like face saving bs from Glazer as opposed to a real story. These guys are all clowns and as bad as John Mara has been and he has been bad, he cannot be that stupid to allow DG to hire another coach while giving him one year when we are so far away.

This does not pass the smell test.

Is where he needs to improve. Gettleman, Mara have already said that

In comment 14854704 bc4life said:

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Is where he needs to improve. Gettleman, Mara have already said that

Exactly. Gettleman and Mara have been far more transparent and open about the failures than some fans want to acknowledge.

Improvements needed in veteran acquisitions, technology, analytics, scouting, coaching -- all acknowledged.

The Giants have lost double digit games in 5 of the last 6 seasons. They will had had 4 coaches in 6 seasons. Plenty to improve on, and the brass admits it.

In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said:

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0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept

Simple as this

Also it's "how" the record is reached. And the product on the field and performance.

I doubt they get more than 6 wins this season (if there's a season even)

Not sure how this isn’t obvious to anyone who’s paying attention. He doesn’t understand the front office ABCs of running a team (cap and draft) and doesn’t understand the way the game has evolved (let’s stop the run!). Give Getty all the time in the world and he’s just going to continue to make bad and impulsive decisions. It’s who he is.

And, sorry, but even if the Judge and DJ turn out to be great, Getty isn’t going to bring another Lombardi to Big Blue. And this is exactly why Getty should have been jettisoned with Shurmur. We knew everything we needed to know then. Now Mara can’t really rationalize tossing Getty because he has a 1st year HC. So what, G’aints finish the season in October (again) and then a new GM is going to come in and overhaul the coaching staff and the roster which includes all these high draft picks and FAs? Yeah, no.

Getty’s here for at least another couple seasons. And it’s pathetic how far the Giants have fallen that we’ll all be pretty happy when Big Blue gets back to being.as good as the Jesse Armstead and Kent Graham teams. Maybe we’ll cheer for some big plays and have a few nice Sundays but this team is set up for third or fourth place finishes in the division for 5 or 6 years.

In comment 14854587 Earl the goat said:

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Becton / Wirfs/Wills and then Ruiz will go along way in the development of Jones along with making Barkley the Star he should be and saving Gettleman job He doesn’t need to force the pick He’s not here for the long haul and I think he will do the right thing in setting up the franchise for the future

I’ve been converted to team Simmons but this post makes too much sense. Barkley and Jones are priorities 1 and 2 and it’s not close.

In comment 14854729 trueblueinpw said:

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Not sure how this isn’t obvious to anyone who’s paying attention. He doesn’t understand the front office ABCs of running a team (cap and draft) and doesn’t understand the way the game has evolved (let’s stop the run!). Give Getty all the time in the world and he’s just going to continue to make bad and impulsive decisions. It’s who he is. And, sorry, but even if the Judge and DJ turn out to be great, Getty isn’t going to bring another Lombardi to Big Blue. And this is exactly why Getty should have been jettisoned with Shurmur. We knew everything we needed to know then. Now Mara can’t really rationalize tossing Getty because he has a 1st year HC. So what, G’aints finish the season in October (again) and then a new GM is going to come in and overhaul the coaching staff and the roster which includes all these high draft picks and FAs? Yeah, no. Getty’s here for at least another couple seasons. And it’s pathetic how far the Giants have fallen that we’ll all be pretty happy when Big Blue gets back to being.as good as the Jesse Armstead and Kent Graham teams. Maybe we’ll cheer for some big plays and have a few nice Sundays but this team is set up for third or fourth place finishes in the division for 5 or 6 years.

well you just have it all figured out huh?

Why and who would any owner or FO trot this out at this time?

Its a re hash of stuff from December and January.

its could easily be ( speculative) a hit job on a guy who maybe didn't give the reporter some hints about the upcoming draft he used to get.

The chances he got this from Mara or anyone close to Mara at this time are slim and none

But for the sake of argument let’s assume it is correct. I think the barometer of his fate will be more like the question that is often asked in political polls. Do you think the country/ team is on the right track. They could lose Jones or Barkley for the year, or maybe they finish 6-10 but unlike the last 2 years there is a sense things are tending upward.

In comment 14854686 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14854576 section125 said: Quote: bye-bye. This team is not turning around this year. They will be lucky to be in the 4-6 win range. I do think they may be at least decent in 2021.. Not for nothing but I really hate these takes. There is a lot of posters on this site that have said this and similar. Here's some recent entrants to the NFL that are starting QB's and how they did in their 2nd season in the NFL: Jared Goff: 11-4 Pat Mahomes: 12-4 Carson Wentz: 11-2 Josh Allen: 10-6 DeShaun Watson: 11-5 Lamar Jackson: 13-2 Most of those guys had losing records in their first season. Hell, Jared Goff didn't win a single game as a starter in his rookie year (0-7). I get that nothing is promised in the NFL, but there is absolutely no reason, that with a good draft, the Giants can't compete for the division next season. The Giants just added a damn fine corner that will really help Deandre Baker, who was really good in his own right towards the end of the year. They have good players on the DL. We have an All-World RB. The added quality veterans with leadership on both sides of the ball, to mix in with some seriously good young talented players. Remember that draft haul Gettleman brought last year? I expect it will really bear fruit in year 2, and Daniel Jones is smart enough and talented enough to improve mightily in year 2. He improved as the year went on last season. But all I here is that the Giants are not close and years away from competing. How about we let them play the games and see what Coach Judge and his staff can do with this team? I don't see a losing team next year. Sure, things can go off the rails, critical injuries can happen to jeopardize everything, but I think this team is a lot closer to being a winner than they were when the season ended. I think they can do it. Not in 2 or 3 years, but next year.

I was being sarcastic. I don't believe he is let go next year if they lose 12 games as long as Judge and the staff have the team playing competitively - tight games against good teams; the players make obvious strides and there is cohesion; if recently drafted players develop; FAs actually help and are not let go midseason because they suck.

As far as the draft, I truly think he knows he needs to get OL help now, but I am not sure he can/will pass on Simmons. Getting the defense off the field and keeping opposing offenses on the bench takes a lot of pressure off Jones. So this is his dilemma. Last year he passed on Allen, whom he desperately wanted, to take Jones. Does he pass on Simmons to take Wills/Wirfs? In round two, does he pass on Baun to take Ruiz?
Does he trade back, get an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder, and go oline all the way?

I think the mandate to improve is to stop missing on FAs and picks, get a coherent plan and to obtain the players necessary to implement that plan. I do not think win totals are the overriding determination.

Dr. Section

It’s common sense. He almost lost his job last year. Begged to be retained. He has so far failed miserably to repair the offensive line. That is really his only fault, granted a major one, but he took over a team with no cap space and horrible contracts all over with an aging qb.

This is his last shot. Pick number 4 or in a slight trade down will be an offensive tackle. It’s beyond obvious. I’m sorry to the simmons lovers who I predict will slide to right around 7 to Carolina. Dave Te mentioned Atlanta as well as as a possible suitor if they see him slide they may trade up with the jets to nab him. Good luck replacing keuchly!

DG will take 2 offensive lineman in this draft. One early as 4 and a center wether it’s Hennessy, Harris, Williams or the kid from Clemson. He will most likely walk away end of the year having secured a franchise tackle, franchise qb,franchise back. Also, he targeted Blake Martinez, a true captain and replacement for the ogletree. He drafted a slew of corners and signed his buddy bradberry who looks like a player coming into his prime. DG gets a lot of crap but he’s a damn good talent evaluator and team builder.

has a lot of connections but not sure about this one.

I think one thing that will be important is how he works with Judge who received a 5 year contract. Mara spoke several times with Belichick so I am hoping that BB said this is really your guy.

After firing two coaches on two year stints this will be given time. If any type of move is made I think it will be a handoff to Abrams and maybe a personnel guy of Judge's choosing. I think the more likely scenario is Dave steps down in a year or two. I don't see a cleaning out of the front office and coaching staff for at least three years but I think better results are on the horizon.

In comment 14854584 No Where Man said:

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Has DG ever done anything bad to Jay Glazer?

My first reaction as well. That doesn’t mean, however, that DG isn’t on the proverbial hot seat.

if we are 4-12 this year he should be fired.

this was truly the case then Gettleman might as well go home now, but I really don't believe this is 100% the case. This season will be incredibly difficult to judge anything by considering there is basically no off-season training program and new coaching staff for a incredibly young team. All of which is the opposite of the spectrum from when they won the SuperBowl coming off the last strike shortened offseason where training camps were cut in half but the team performed well because Tom & his coaching staff had been around a few years and the teams primary makeup was that of many veterans. Even if Gettleman hits a home run this offseason the circumstances are set up for the Giants to fail big time this year.

Once Abrams is ready, I think he’s the next guy, but Gettleman will get more time if progress is clear.

not sure I'd call it personal as I'd need to know the context of why Glazer was talking about this in the first place (was he asked his opinion or was it a segment he brought up?) but either way this seems like common sense to me. Another 4 or 5 win season and you simply cannot keep him.

Now, turn around could mean many things. Finishing 9-7 and being in the hunt until week 17 is something I'd consider a turn around but that's just me. No idea what Mara thinks.

but general theme of message sounds very plausible.

The only difference in this message to all the DG defenders here on BBI is the 3rd year wasn’t a de facto right.

the entire rookie class, new HC's, FA signings, etc. That isn't an excuse, it isn't just the Giants its effecting.

wouldn’t Gettleman have been more aggressive in FA?

What do you think of Garrett taking over as GM?

He seems to have the temperment, NFL Smarts, etc.

I could see a Garrett/Judge combo for years to come as GM-Coach.

In comment 14854796 Sean said:

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wouldn’t Gettleman have been more aggressive in FA?

Its a good question. I'm under the impression that this is now a "team decision" more than it was in the past. I think Judge has a lot more say in the FA's than McAdoo and Shurmur did. Judge is clearly building a program for beyond 2020 and snatching up the big ticket FA's doesn't jive with that strategy.

Plus we did go out and get one of the top 2 CB's, we just didn't splurge on Conklin and no one has splurged yet on Clowney.

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What needs to happen is for the players he has drafted to start performing as expected, and the free agents he signed contribute as expected. If that is happening but the team ends up 7-9 losing close games, I think he is back. If this team looks lost as it has the past several years, he should be gone despite the record.

This will be his third year as the GM, and the team - on paper - is not very talented. Obviously if that is true after the third year you have to question whether the person in charge of the roster is capable of fixing it.

Thinking he could contend for the playoffs in 18, in some sensing delaying the start of a needed rebuild, could end up being his biggest mistake.

In comment 14854667 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14854659 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: head coach hire. I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays. The idea there is a large group of posters here that think Gettleman is doing a great job and are huge fans of his is a complete myth. What we have is a group of posters who don't think he's complete dogshit. Not sure how that constitutes a fan club, but I don't put a lot of stock in the comprehension of the average BBI'er.

Passive aggressive snipe at the end there aside, I didnt say here specifically. The second largest giants community online is the reddit page which also has its share of Gettleman fans.

For the record though, I would include you. Since the day he was hired you have stretched to contextualize even his firing from Carolina in a way that absolves him of his share of responsibility and also fluffed up his resume in a way to make him appear to be some kind of root cause for a team making a super bowl while downplaying the fact that he inherited a treasure grove of talent in there.

I didn't fluff up his resume - it was what it was. The best record for a Carolina GM and a SB appearance:

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For the record though, I would include you. Since the day he was hired you have stretched to contextualize even his firing from Carolina in a way that absolves him of his share of responsibility and also fluffed up his resume in a way to make him appear to be some kind of root cause for a team making a super bowl while downplaying the fact that he inherited a treasure grove of talent in there.

And in what context did I provide that information? To refute the slew of posters who have made it seem like Gettleman is one of the worst GM's.

The flip side is that people here have ignored his entire body of work - which includes an impressive string of teams he was associated with who went to or won SB's - and downplayed his role in Carolina as if anyone could have done what he did. Well, with basically the same talent, his successor has failed pretty badly.

Defense of Gettleman isn't a reflection of being in a fan club - it is to refute moronic takes and both minor and outright falsehoods about him that have been present on this board since the day he was hired in a manner that people didn't like.

...but they are not going to get a new GM one year after a new HC.

I’ve come around to believe Gettleman is less responsible for the direction of the team than his personality and on camera performances would lead you to believe.

There’s been something deeply broken in the fabric of the organization, hopefully Judge has both inherited a cleansed palette and brings the leadership necessary to address what’s been missing.

The last 2+ seasons have brought a sentimentality and blindness that’s been difficult to watch and disappointing to witness. It’s also brought an unprecedented reboot and unprecedented resources at the top of the draft.

What’s alarming is how bad the acquisition of veterans has transpired. This is shocking because that is Gettleman’s craft, and a skill he excelled in his last stint here.

Hopefully this off season bears better fruit in that facet and a collection of high potential draft picks. That would be a great step forward.

Not sure where you are going with that first sentence.

Let's get rid of DG. Let's trade DJ? Let's fire Judge if he doesn't win 12 games next year.

Let's face facts. This team is not very talented and the problem has been festering for years thanks to our previous GM.

How about we let DG work this draft to add young talent to our team. Let's give Judge 2 or 3 years to get things going. Let's fix our OL first so we don't waste another year of Barkley (RBs have a limited shelf life). If we can run the ball it helps the defense. If it's 3 and out I don't care how many all pros you add to the defense they will be worn down come the 4th qtr.

If this team can win 6 games it's a start. If they win 8 games I'd consider it a successful season. Next year we concentrate on the defense and sprinkle in a few picks on offense. Year 3 start picking and choosing.

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Not sure where you are going with that first sentence.

I think Dave’s been in the passenger seat on a number of critical decisions — coach hurlings/firings, Manning, Beckham, AZ UFAs, Green Bay UFAs etc.

I don’t follow other teams closely enough to know if that’s abnormal, but I don’t think he’s got the keys in a way his personality likes to reflect.

while trying to remain competitive. He as tied to Eli, perhaps, because the team history/ownership persuaded him to be tied to Eli?
I don't think Eli was problem #1 though but rather it was the complete lack on talent on the team, especially the OL and pass rush. We just didn't have the horses to win consistently or match up against better teams.
The Giants need to have another solid draft like we seem to have had last year. Our UFA class seems more "logical" on paper than the previous years with no "past their prime" signings.
If we draft well with rookies who contribute and the second and third year guys really step up we'll be on our way in the rebuild. I'm thinking ".500" team this year IF we help the OL.

Par for the course for this shitshow of a franchise.

In comment 14854962 Jeever said:

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Let's get rid of DG. Let's trade DJ? Let's fire Judge if he doesn't win 12 games next year. Let's face facts. This team is not very talented and the problem has been festering for years thanks to our previous GM. How about we let DG work this draft to add young talent to our team. Let's give Judge 2 or 3 years to get things going. Let's fix our OL first so we don't waste another year of Barkley (RBs have a limited shelf life). If we can run the ball it helps the defense. If it's 3 and out I don't care how many all pros you add to the defense they will be worn down come the 4th qtr. If this team can win 6 games it's a start. If they win 8 games I'd consider it a successful season. Next year we concentrate on the defense and sprinkle in a few picks on offense. Year 3 start picking and choosing.

Nobody is calling for trading Jones and firing Judge if next year is what many think it will be. Dave is another story. If after this year, the team wins 5, 4, and 4-6 games in his 3 years, why should he get a 4th year?

I just can’t get on board with some of your statements on DG. And I am not sure it matters to me if he was a GM that drank the cool-aid or made his own batch.

We are not talking about a young first time GM lacking experience or time in the front office. He has made some mistakes that have been whoppers in this latest tour duty and it’s on him.

He has the DJ pick to carry him through or not.

And he really just freed up cap with the Bradberry and Martinez deals... maybe he really will bring in Clowney... then maybe draft a quality OT, OC and FS.

& Try to win the division... That will buy DG another year or two.

firing him a year after letting him select the coach, I mean, that's what the worst team in football would do.

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I just can’t get on board with some of your statements on DG. And I am not sure it matters to me if he was a GM that drank the cool-aid or made his own batch. We are not talking about a young first time GM lacking experience or time in the front office. He has made some mistakes that have been whoppers in this latest tour duty and it’s on him. He has the DJ pick to carry him through or not.

I don't make those points to absolve Gettleman or defend how the Giants have managed the last 3 years. There have been major doses of outright stupidity.

My preference would be a GM who near unilaterally made football decisions, or a head coach with major oversight of personnel and a GM as the hiring manager.

I think the Giants suffer from Mara's inability to stay out of it when it comes to coaches and players he likes or dislikes, his fondness for the past, his desire for continuity, and his emotional ties to certain characters.

a team is likely to move in another direction. turnaround is a pretty vague term but I think the usage here is correct. This franchise needs to start heading in the right direction where it counts - results on the field. A lot of that is in the hands of the coaches now, but regardless of how much the final decision rested with Mara, Gettleman has twice been centrally involved in that process.

If things don't turn around this year Dave should move on and they should bring in a fresh voice who fits with what Judge is trying to do.

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I just can’t get on board with some of your statements on DG. And I am not sure it matters to me if he was a GM that drank the cool-aid or made his own batch. We are not talking about a young first time GM lacking experience or time in the front office. He has made some mistakes that have been whoppers in this latest tour duty and it’s on him. He has the DJ pick to carry him through or not.

Being young or old is irrelevant. If you think his decisions have solely been his choice, then so be it, not really worth arguing. Others (myself included) don't think this has been a clean decision making process for our GM. He's had to deal with a meddling owner and trying to move on from the most beloved player in franchise history (under the approval of the meddling owner).

His biggest failure was not fixing the OL - it hasn't happened yet and if it doesn't this year he needs to go.

DG held on by a thread in January, and his relationship with Mara helped him stay on. The problem could be is this another Mara half measure management decision. I think DG is not the right GM for the longer term vision. When he goes, will Judge be looking good as the HC and will the new GM be ok keeping him on, and so forth.

I hear you, but I feel like this happens a lot lately and teams have to just get with the times - ie bringing a GM and coach in at the same time doesn't mean its any better.

I don't want a GM that can't work with Judge (or whoever our HC is). This seems like an outdated model to me, that both have to go or be hired together.

In comment 14855027 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14854985 LBH15 said: Quote: I just can’t get on board with some of your statements on DG. And I am not sure it matters to me if he was a GM that drank the cool-aid or made his own batch. We are not talking about a young first time GM lacking experience or time in the front office. He has made some mistakes that have been whoppers in this latest tour duty and it’s on him. He has the DJ pick to carry him through or not. Being young or old is irrelevant. If you think his decisions have solely been his choice, then so be it, not really worth arguing. Others (myself included) don't think this has been a clean decision making process for our GM. He's had to deal with a meddling owner and trying to move on from the most beloved player in franchise history (under the approval of the meddling owner). His biggest failure was not fixing the OL - it hasn't happened yet and if it doesn't this year he needs to go.

Not young was only to bring in the sense that experience and operating in a football front office was not knew to him.

And again, these continued beliefs that he was hamstrung by a meddling owner to me are disingenuous. Does he act like a guy who isn’t his own man or one that wouldn’t push back on a bad decision? Not suggesting they still might not go forward with it but he sure as hell acts like a guy who has his own convictions. Do you think someone else drummed up the LW deal and sold it to DG?

Three years and significant resources is more than fair to expect he could get us out of the basement. Some folks have some serious low expectations. If they don't improve this year, damn right he better be gone.

you can insert Reese, Coughlin, anyone running a team across sports in that category. Never did never will.

I'm sure he did want Leonard Williams. I'm not absolving him of his missings, I'm just not obsessing over them in threads (I don't see the point). He's misfired for sure, specifically on the OL. We will see what happens with Williams - the trade looks strange right now but I'm going to wait on the numbers and see if it allows us to be more flexible in the draft (not taking another 2nd round DT) and of course, how he actually plays in 2020.

But others don’t have to share that view. The point is this is a giant blog site and this thread is specific to sharing opinions on this topic.

based on your posting you want to blame it all on DG - i'm not willing to do that. You can hammer away on every DG thread if you'd like, I'm not stopping you. Sure its a blog site, but there's such a thing as overkill and redundancy.

exaggeration.

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DG held on by a thread in January, and his relationship with Mara helped him stay on. The problem could be is this another Mara half measure management decision.

with every passing year, it sure seems like we have more and more evidence that Mara is a sub par owner.

you have a good shot at finding out.

I'm surprised you think the next GM of the Giants - whenever that happens - will have any say in whether the HC stays or goes - if it's still Judge or not.

Unless the Mara brothers are going somewhere the next GM of the Giants will have as much input about the HC as Gettleman did about Judge. Little to none.

As far as the OP goes Gettleman is on borrowed time if 2020 is another losing season. If it's another top 10 draft pick season he is 100% gone.

He was saying that in the current environment, with the draft coming on 3 weeks out this Thursday, the better GM’s have a distinct advantage. He then said the prospect of how Dave handles the draft this year terrifies him, which is telling as his confidence in DG was already low.

It’s like everyone knows DG kinda sucks at his job except the DGFC here and John Mara.

is that DG will panick and squander more resources trying to win quickly.

of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here?

Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made?

If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters.

Is it that hard to acknowledge that some of you are so over the top in your criticism that there are posts that defend him from those unwarranted takes?

is doing a great job. The empty excuses as to why he’s not are enlightening enough.

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In comment 14854962 Jeever said: Quote: Let's get rid of DG. Let's trade DJ? Let's fire Judge if he doesn't win 12 games next year. Let's face facts. This team is not very talented and the problem has been festering for years thanks to our previous GM. How about we let DG work this draft to add young talent to our team. Let's give Judge 2 or 3 years to get things going. Let's fix our OL first so we don't waste another year of Barkley (RBs have a limited shelf life). If we can run the ball it helps the defense. If it's 3 and out I don't care how many all pros you add to the defense they will be worn down come the 4th qtr. If this team can win 6 games it's a start. If they win 8 games I'd consider it a successful season. Next year we concentrate on the defense and sprinkle in a few picks on offense. Year 3 start picking and choosing. Nobody is calling for trading Jones and firing Judge if next year is what many think it will be. Dave is another story. If after this year, the team wins 5, 4, and 4-6 games in his 3 years, why should he get a 4th year?

They will though, cause most of our BBI fans are short sighted and suck.

No we dont need to fire him because then we destroy any alliance Judge has with the front office.

Gettleman has had 2 seasons so far...2!

what the fuck

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it doesn't look good. Signing a bunch of fringe starters to a bad football team is not going to produce a massive turnaround.

Maybe maybe not. What does turn a team around is coaching coupled with with about 15 high draft picks all entering their respective prime. What if guys like carter and Ximines turn into solid pros? Baker? What if Daniel jones goes from promising rookie to veteran? Barkley doesn’t miss half the year along with engram?

This was one of the youngest teams in the nfl last year. Forget what the numbers might say. The defense was infantile.

In comment 14855236 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here? Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made? If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters.

You might want to keep an eye out for any post from Gettledogman, 5BowlsSoon, and Spider56 as examples.

There is definitely a contingent who vocally support the majority of Gettleman's work.

Often with the form and function you typically jump all over when it's a view you oppose.

It doesn’t take an in the know reporter like glazer to come up with this. If the giants suck balls in 2020 and all those kids DG drafted help the team suck balls, DG himself would admit he’s toast.

Don’t bet on it. Giants will be better. Organically they will be better just by accident.

If Judge does well ( may be different than what the record turns out to be) next year will be a transition year to Abrams and maybe a consulting role in 2022.

He is getting the players the coach wants while structuring contracts that preserve future cap space with much younger and players.

Those are just facts so far. If he does it next year as well he leaves a stable founda and perhaps a top 25% QB.

Still, his last press conference will be a doozy.

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It doesn’t take an in the know reporter like glazer to come up with this. If the giants suck balls in 2020 and all those kids DG drafted help the team suck balls, DG himself would admit he’s toast. Don’t bet on it. Giants will be better. Organically they will be better just by accident.

Well, there is ringing endorsement. By accident.

In many regards Gettleman has turned it around. He inherited a veteran team with a top heavy cap allocation, moved all of those bad contracts, replaced the bulk of the team with players under 30 on manageable contracts.

In comment 14855613 Bill2 said:

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If Judge does well ( may be different than what the record turns out to be) next year will be a transition year to Abrams and maybe a consulting role in 2022. He is getting the players the coach wants while structuring contracts that preserve future cap space with much younger and players. Those are just facts so far. If he does it next year as well he leaves a stable founda and perhaps a top 25% QB. Still, his last press conference will be a doozy.

I think this is most plausible. It must have occurred to Mara Tisch this past season that they couldn’t really replace the HC this year and then a completely new GM next year. A transition to Abrams and a kick upstairs makes sense. Very Giants like. It might actually work too.

And don’t think his FA forays have yielded much good, but don’t feel like condemning for the FA moves either. Solder didn’t work out in 2019 but he wasn’t bad in 2018. His FA moves haven’t set the franchise back newrly as much as some of the detractors here insist. Doesn’t mean he gets a pass, we need to see progress and soon. I think we will. A portion of Young players will turn into good pros. Some will be great. We have a boat load of young players. Can we give these kids one or two years before we condekntheh guy who drafted them?

In comment 14855616 LBH15 said:

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In comment 14855605 djm said: Quote: It doesn’t take an in the know reporter like glazer to come up with this. If the giants suck balls in 2020 and all those kids DG drafted help the team suck balls, DG himself would admit he’s toast. Don’t bet on it. Giants will be better. Organically they will be better just by accident. Well, there is ringing endorsement. By accident.

Organically improving by accident means the collection of young players here will get better because that’s how these things usually work.

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In many regards Gettleman has turned it around. He inherited a veteran team with a top heavy cap allocation, moved all of those bad contracts, replaced the bulk of the team with players under 30 on manageable contracts.

Exactly

In comment 14855236 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here? Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made? If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters. Is it that hard to acknowledge that some of you are so over the top in your criticism that there are posts that defend him from those unwarranted takes?

what the fuck

2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.

it takes time to build a winning franchise look at fucking SF...seriously like get a grip and let this shit play out.

Give Getteleman another run with Judge and then check back in 2-3 years.

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In comment 14855236 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here? Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made? If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters. Is it that hard to acknowledge that some of you are so over the top in your criticism that there are posts that defend him from those unwarranted takes? what the fuck 2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better. it takes time to build a winning franchise look at fucking SF...seriously like get a grip and let this shit play out. Give Getteleman another run with Judge and then check back in 2-3 years.

Dude - those are some of the same points I've made before. My point is that there is a fairly large group of posters here who bash his every move or who start threads complaining about how bad he is - and then flip it around to call anyone defending him "The Dave Gettleman Fan Club".

You've had posters either intentionally or ignorantly mischaracterize how he's implemented analytics. You've had posters complain about his attitude at press conferences. You've had posters who have held it against him for the way he was hired. You even have one raging moron who calls his DSG - with the S meaning Shitbag, for no good reason at all.

And when you point out that he's had a fairly impressive body of work in his career and had success in Carolina - you get called a member of a fan club. It is actually pretty bizarre.

and being a harsh critic of him is a bizarre take?

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and being a harsh critic of him is a bizarre take?

That's what I said??

I said labeling people on this board as Gettleman Fan Club members is a bizarre take.

I see the contrarian slant didn't die with the new handle, Googs.

I thought it was a summation comment from any defense of Gettleman.

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In comment 14855818 LBH15 said: Quote: and being a harsh critic of him is a bizarre take? That's what I said?? I said labeling people on this board as Gettleman Fan Club members is a bizarre take. I see the contrarian slant didn't die with the new handle, Googs.

Wait....LBH15 is Googs?

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In comment 14855818 LBH15 said: Quote: and being a harsh critic of him is a bizarre take? That's what I said?? I said labeling people on this board as Gettleman Fan Club members is a bizarre take. I see the contrarian slant didn't die with the new handle, Googs.

Aren’t you known for over the top insults of other posters?

Now it’s not ok? Is “fuckstick” banned too?

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is that DG will panick and squander more resources trying to win quickly.

Huh? He took the long game approach last offseason, and once again took the long game approach with this FA period.

win quickly? He traded a bunch of vets for draft picks. He drafted a young QB.

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of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here?

In perfect bizarro irony, here ya go. They aren't too hard to spot. Replete with excuses and exaggerations.

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what the fuck 2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.

In comment 14855907 christian said:

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In comment 14855761 Rory said: Quote: of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here? In perfect bizarro irony, here ya go. They aren't too hard to spot. Replete with excuses and exaggerations. Quote: what the fuck 2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.

ummmm what?

Dear Christian...

please clarify what I said is an exaggeration or some grotesque excuse

Sure thing . The Giants were in perfectly fine cap shape when Gettleman took the reigns. So much so that Gettleman expended more guaranteed money in 2018 than Reese did in 2016. What’s your definition of cap hell?

Gettleman has not had just a few free agents that didn’t meet expectations. I’m struggling to actually find a few that did.

LB/DE Kareem Martin (Signed by Giants; 3-Years, $15 million)
LT Nate Solder (Signed by Giants; 4-Years, $62 million)
OG Patrick Omameh (Signed by Giants; 3-Years, $15 million)
CB Curtis Riley (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $630,000 salary)
WR Cody Latimer (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $2.5 million)
S Michael Thomas (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $4 million)
TE Scott Simonson (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $705,000 salary)
OG Zac Kerin (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $630,000 salary)
LB Connor Barwin (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $5 million)
CB Leonard Johnson (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $790,000 salary)
RB Jonathan Stewart (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $6.9 million)
CB Teddy Williams (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $880,000)
CB B.W. Webb (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $815,000)
DE Josh Mauro (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $880,000)
CB William Gay (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $1.105 million)
QB Alex Tanney (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $555,000 salary)
DT A.J. Francis (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $705,000 salary)
S Orion Stewart (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $480,000 salary)
WR Russell Shepard (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $1.25 million)
OT Jarron Jones (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $480,000 salary)
NT John Jenkins (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $790,000 salary)
LB Nate Stupar (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $850,000 salary)
WR Golden Tate (Signed by Giants; 4-Years, $37.5 million)
LB Markus Golden (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $3,281,250)
DE Olsen Pierre (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $943,750)
RB Rod Smith (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $805,000)
S Antoine Bethea (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $6.5 million)
RT Mike Remmers (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $2.5 million)
TE Eric Tomlinson (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $720,000)
LB David Mayo (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $805,000)
LB Deone Bucannon (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $805,000)

of bad deals is Jonathan Stewart because it was such a ridiculous signing anyway you want to look at it...performance value, dollars, timing, guaranteed $, player demand. Was that DG’s first deal as the Giant GM?

Nevertheless,

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list of bad deals is Jonathan Stewart because it was such a ridiculous signing anyway you want to look at it...performance value, dollars, timing, guaranteed $, player demand. Was that DG’s first deal as the Giant GM? Nevertheless, if the DGFC is meeting soon again please send out the minutes. Hit send to fast on above post

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In comment 14856812 LBH15 said: Quote: list of bad deals is Jonathan Stewart because it was such a ridiculous signing anyway you want to look at it...performance value, dollars, timing, guaranteed $, player demand. Was that DG’s first deal as the Giant GM? Nevertheless, if the DGFC is meeting soon again please send out the minutes. Hit send to fast on above post

Of all the characters in the play getting blame, I find Gettleman a curious cause to actively defend. The list of crimes is long, and there is certainly hyperbolic blame cast at Mara, Tisch, Shurmur, Bettcher, and Manning, too.

The merry go round of explanations for Gettleman's lack of success makes me dizzy.

- There was no such thing as a re-build in the NFL, then there were no alternatives to the subpar players he brought on to stabilize the team

- Eli Manning had plenty left, then Eli Manning was forced on him

- Shurmur was a QB whisperer, then Shurmur was a loser

- The Giants needed to re-load the talent and spend, then the Giants were in cap hell after that didn't work

- Now we get to ignore most of the last 2 years (except the good things), because in reality year 3 is where it was always really just beginning

It might just be Gettleman is a guy that used to be pretty good at his job, and either didn't have much control over the Giants the last 2 years, or did a pretty bad job overall.

It might just be Gettleman has every ability to do a good job again. I sure hope it's the latter.

In comment 14855761 Rory said:

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In comment 14855236 FatMan in Charlotte said: "....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. " "......it takes time to build a winning franchise..." Give Getteleman another run with Judge and then check back in 2-3 years.

If one gives up on DG after this year, we'll never know what the source of the problem has been. I'm thinking the roster is pointing in the right direction after getting rid of some burden. Too soon to make any calls on the coaching staff...hence the 2-3 year plan makes sense and I'm leaning towards the 3 year plan in leniency given all the changes.