Glazer: Gettleman Has One Year to Turn Around the Giants

bye-bye. This team is not turning around this year. They will be lucky to be in the 4-6 win range.
I do think they may be at least decent in 2021..

so the next year should be interesting

First of all what constitutes 'turns around'. How many more wins is that exactly? yet another ambiguous article to elicit hits from a spastic fanbase.

Has DG ever done anything bad to Jay Glazer?

Becton / Wirfs/Wills and then Ruiz will go along way in the development of Jones along with making Barkley the Star he should be and saving Gettleman job

He doesn’t need to force the pick He’s not here for the long haul and I think he will do the right thing in setting up the franchise for the future

I disagree with theory that a GM on the hot-seat, in this case Dave, will forgo a foundational player and instead opt for an exciting, instant gratification player.

Dave in his opening presser recognized the need to fix the OL. He preached how it all starts up front in the trenches on both sides of the ball. He has devoted a lot of resources on the DL, but the OL is still no closer to be fixed despite draft picks/trades/FA signings. I would counter the proposed theory that is put forth by Ryan that it is more likely that Dave focus considerable draft resources on addressing the OL. He cluster drafted a defensive secondary. He has his Gold Jacket at RB. He has his franchise QB. He's drafted and traded resources on the DL. But he has failed on the OL.

Gettleman has drafted pretty well. His issue has been some of his free agency decisions. Gettleman has acknowledged his batting average re: free agency has to improve. Don't think they are as far away as some think. But that all depends on the decisions they make next. OL & LB corps are the major needs. Unrealistic to think they'll fix both completely in one season. But what they can't do, especially Gettleman is make a bad decision in either of those areas.

How do you define turn it around? They could be much better than the last 2 years and still be a sub 500 team. And, has it ever happened that a rookie coach takes on a really bad team and turns it around in 1 year?

Last, this team has a pretty bad defense even with the free agent signings . As much as the OL needs help , and it does, over the last few years, the Giants lost many games on the last drive because the defense could not hold a lead. This defense still needs alot of help before they are respectable

Based on the number of quality teams we’re set to play this year, my assumption is we’ll have a new GM next year. I don’t see any way how this team gets to 7 wins.

New coach. New systems. And the team cannot convene until nobody knows.

In comment 14854583 Torrag said:

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First of all what constitutes 'turns around'. How many more wins is that exactly? yet another ambiguous article to elicit hits from a spastic fanbase.

I think it will more have to do with how Jones and Barkley perform, and as long as they aren't worse than they were. But beating the Cowboys and Eagles would be a great start.

you guys haven't been following the NFL for the past 20 years.

Dave Gettleman and co. are getting 3 years to turn around the Giants. He’s 2/3 of the way through his powder.

needed to make a big splash this year, it would make sense to backload contracts and sign more top players.

In comment 14854596 Samiam said:

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How do you define turn it around? They could be much better than the last 2 years and still be a sub 500 team. And, has it ever happened that a rookie coach takes on a really bad team and turns it around in 1 year? Last, this team has a pretty bad defense even with the free agent signings . As much as the OL needs help , and it does, over the last few years, the Giants lost many games on the last drive because the defense could not hold a lead. This defense still needs alot of help before they are respectable

Well, the Rams comes to mind but that's about it.

I think he’s gonna make a few key picks this year, and although the record might not reflect it completely, it will be apparent that we’re much improved and getting close.

Old news.

DG should be fired. He's had a chance to hire 2 head coaches, and this will be his 3rd draft class in the Top 10.

If things to improve what justifies keeping him?

In comment 14854588 Diver_Down said:

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I disagree with theory that a GM on the hot-seat, in this case Dave, will forgo a foundational player and instead opt for an exciting, instant gratification player. Dave in his opening presser recognized the need to fix the OL. He preached how it all starts up front in the trenches on both sides of the ball. He has devoted a lot of resources on the DL, but the OL is still no closer to be fixed despite draft picks/trades/FA signings. I would counter the proposed theory that is put forth by Ryan that it is more likely that Dave focus considerable draft resources on addressing the OL. He cluster drafted a defensive secondary. He has his Gold Jacket at RB. He has his franchise QB. He's drafted and traded resources on the DL. But he has failed on the OL.

Big adds for OL coming this draft. All signs as you describe are pointing to this...

I just don’t get it.

He presented his plan already one time. It was win with Eli. Win as you retool. He picked his coach. It failed miserably.

So now, a new coach with a longer leash (according to Mara) and a total rebuild Is in full effect.

There is just a disconnect. Seems like DG should have gone too.

One more year?

Draft picks @ #2, #6, #4 and traded for #17 & #30. 90mm in cap space this year and we still might only win 4 or 5 games.

I don’t get it. I hope we win. Maybe it all falls into place but ... man it sure has the looks of a big 3 year swing and miss.

I just can’t see how this is true. Mara has to know this is a 6-8 win team.

This will be Dave's third year as GM. And it's not even like you can say the arrow is pointing up since the team won less games last year than year 1. And they've won 9 games with Dave as GM. This is his last chance. The strong majority of the roster (if not the entire roster) is made up of his acquisitions now. He's out of excuses.

DG has to turn it around. No where does it indicate what turn it around means. Many have commented that the measurement should be in wins. At the most fundamental measure, it should be. But a more nuanced measure is to see meaningful football. No automatic conversions by the opponent when it is 3rd and 18. Daniel not getting sacked 38 times. Saquon not getting hit behind the LoS. And so forth.

Watching the replay of the 2006 Manning Bowl tonight, and it was a stark contrast in Giants football. It was still a sloppy game with penalties and back-breaking interception in the waning minutes of the game. But it was night and day to what we have marched out on the football field the past few years.

0-6 wins - DG is fired

7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses

9+ wins - DG is kept

In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said:

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0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept

I think you are way off. If we go 6-10 and are competitive then I don't see how he isn't back. We have a new coaching staff with a shitty situation in terms of the staff being around the new staff. We have a second year QB in a new system. This year really isn't about wins and losses. It is about growth of these young players, coming together, and showing they are ready to take the next step. You also have to understand how brutal the NFC is right now and how difficult our schedule is. Even our offseason moves point toward us buiding the right way and not going all in this year. We have front loaded our contracts for a few reasons but one of them is that we can still be players in FA when this team is ready to truly compete. Anybody thinking this team is truly competing this year is fooling themselves.

Then pontificates about his own idiotic theory....what a moron.

While totally disregarding the facts in front of his face....amazing.

Why would DG set up FA contract that are front loaded?

He might have sign 3/4 more front line FA, if they backloaded the contract, if he was desperate....

What a jackass

In comment 14854643 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said: Quote: 0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept I think you are way off. If we go 6-10 and are competitive then I don't see how he isn't back. We have a new coaching staff with a shitty situation in terms of the staff being around the new staff. We have a second year QB in a new system. This year really isn't about wins and losses. It is about growth of these young players, coming together, and showing they are ready to take the next step. You also have to understand how brutal the NFC is right now and how difficult our schedule is. Even our offseason moves point toward us buiding the right way and not going all in this year. We have front loaded our contracts for a few reasons but one of them is that we can still be players in FA when this team is ready to truly compete. Anybody thinking this team is truly competing this year is fooling themselves.

Sorry, our staff being around the players.

In comment 14854643 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said: Quote: 0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept I think you are way off. If we go 6-10 and are competitive then I don't see how he isn't back. We have a new coaching staff with a shitty situation in terms of the staff being around the new staff. We have a second year QB in a new system. This year really isn't about wins and losses. It is about growth of these young players, coming together, and showing they are ready to take the next step. You also have to understand how brutal the NFC is right now and how difficult our schedule is. Even our offseason moves point toward us buiding the right way and not going all in this year. We have front loaded our contracts for a few reasons but one of them is that we can still be players in FA when this team is ready to truly compete. Anybody thinking this team is truly competing this year is fooling themselves.

while I take exception to your argument next season isn't about wins/losses, can I also take from your post that if the Giants win 0-5 games next year you'd be for getting rid of DG?

it doesn't look good.

Signing a bunch of fringe starters to a bad football team is not going to produce a massive turnaround.

In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said:

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0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept

I think Peter King hypothesized that a competitive 7-9 is the line in the sand with DG. Anything less and he is probably toast. So looking ahead:
If you assume 4-0 vs Washington, Chicago, and Cincinnati (not totally out of the realm of possibility), they need to find 3 more wins vs teams that, in all likelihood, will field better rosters over the other 12 games:
Dallas, Philadelphia, Seattle, SF, Rams, Steelers, Browns, Ravens, Brady’s Bucs, and yes the Cardinals.
I hope Dave is renting....

I get the argument. I truly do. We need to see the attire pointing up. But that was the argument many were making the past 2 years. And the arrow hasn't been pointing up.

At some point it has to be about wins and losses. We have a potential franchise QB and we need to actually win with him on the rookie deal, especially the first 4 years when he is getting paid peanuts.

And I don't care how "competitive" we are, if we are out of it by Halloween again, he needs to go.

head coach hire.

I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays.

think we have to be at least 7-9 for him to return.

In comment 14854659 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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head coach hire. I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays.

9-27 with a blown head coach isn’t mediocrity. It’s abject failure. Dave’s one of the 3-5 worst executives in the league.

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head coach hire. I have seen fans pound the table that things are going fine and he's doing a good job and it's bizarre to me that a front office executive has a fan club as if he makes plays on sundays.

The idea there is a large group of posters here that think Gettleman is doing a great job and are huge fans of his is a complete myth.

What we have is a group of posters who don't think he's complete dogshit. Not sure how that constitutes a fan club, but I don't put a lot of stock in the comprehension of the average BBI'er.

doesn't make sense.

Mara should have either gotten rid of him in January or given him 2-3 more years. This in between stuff for a team that will be fortunate to be 8-8 in 2020 makes little sense.

Glazer tends to be on the ball however. If he is, I consider this another red flag on Mara.

In comment 14854675 Eric from BBI said:

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doesn't make sense. Mara should have either gotten rid of him in January or given him 2-3 more years. This in between stuff for a team that will be fortunate to be 8-8 in 2020 makes little sense. Glazer tends to be on the ball however. If he is, I consider this another red flag on Mara.

The article was from today. The Glazer quote I think was from January. The author is a nobody who probably dislikes Dave as much as many here do and had nothing better to do while quarantined.

given all of his blunders and how bad the team had been. Of course he’ll be fired if the team stinks again. Does anyone really thinks he gets half a decade to put a competitive team out there?

Gettleman’s hope is that our talent is a lot better than it looked last year and numerous players will make a leap under Judge.

In comment 14854576 section125 said:

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bye-bye. This team is not turning around this year. They will be lucky to be in the 4-6 win range. I do think they may be at least decent in 2021..

Not for nothing but I really hate these takes. There is a lot of posters on this site that have said this and similar.

Here's some recent entrants to the NFL that are starting QB's and how they did in their 2nd season in the NFL:

Jared Goff: 11-4
Pat Mahomes: 12-4
Carson Wentz: 11-2
Josh Allen: 10-6
DeShaun Watson: 11-5
Lamar Jackson: 13-2

Most of those guys had losing records in their first season. Hell, Jared Goff didn't win a single game as a starter in his rookie year (0-7).

I get that nothing is promised in the NFL, but there is absolutely no reason, that with a good draft, the Giants can't compete for the division next season.

The Giants just added a damn fine corner that will really help Deandre Baker, who was really good in his own right towards the end of the year. They have good players on the DL. We have an All-World RB.

The added quality veterans with leadership on both sides of the ball, to mix in with some seriously good young talented players. Remember that draft haul Gettleman brought last year? I expect it will really bear fruit in year 2, and Daniel Jones is smart enough and talented enough to improve mightily in year 2. He improved as the year went on last season.

But all I here is that the Giants are not close and years away from competing. How about we let them play the games and see what Coach Judge and his staff can do with this team?

I don't see a losing team next year. Sure, things can go off the rails, critical injuries can happen to jeopardize everything, but I think this team is a lot closer to being a winner than they were when the season ended. I think they can do it. Not in 2 or 3 years, but next year.

a lot more fluid and have a lot more variables than what Glazer is stating here. While I think Gettleman is certainly on the hot seat, there was either a conversation about their off-season strategy or he’s doing right by the Giants out of loyalty and where he is in his career. I was worried about a hot seat GMs motivations but he hasn’t acted short sighted this FA.

Is simply not enough time to give him a failing grade.

We all know the mistakes....many he cut bait, which in my mind implied it was his mistake.....others (Bethea) we had to endure all year, which gave me the impression it was someone else's idea.

If Shummer was all his idea....he would have been fired imo....Mara had more to do with Shurmur then publicly known.

His drafts have had better results then his predecessor...

The Giants must compete this year.....the fan base that go to the game must think they can win....instead of selling their tickets.....to competitive fans....MetLife games must be enjoyable

Bottom line, DG will live and die by Jones.

Three full off seasons is a representative period to gauge talent acquisition.

He'll have had 5 1st round picks, 3 in the top 10.

He'll have had 2 shots at head coach.

He'll have replaced all but 3 players.

Hand picked QB, hand picked RB.

Two off seasons with big UFA spend.

In comment 14854677 The_Boss said:

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The article was from today. The Glazer quote I think was from January. The author is a nobody who probably dislikes Dave as much as many here do and had nothing better to do while quarantined.

The Glazer quote was from today. It's from his Q&A on the athletic. Since it's just one question out of many I think it's ok to post.

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Given how close it appeared Dave Gettleman was to being let go at the end of the season and John Mara’s comment about him needing to “Get his batting average up,” do you think he is still in the hot seat being that the Giants now have a young first-time head coach? If the Giants have another poor season, do you believe he ends up retiring to Cape Cod? — Dan R. I don’t know if he’ll end up retiring but yeah, I think he was close this year. He made a case to ownership to come back. He presented a plan for how he’ll turn it around in a year. That needs to happen. If it doesn’t happen, he’ll be gone and rightfully so. If he doesn’t follow through, it’s time to go. I would hope that Gettleman has also learned a bit about himself and his interactions with people during this process. Anytime you’re on the hot seat, you have to look inside yourself and say, “What’s my responsibility in this?” and make changes.

who pays attention to the OP anyway.

In comment 14854695 Giantsfan79 said:

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In comment 14854677 The_Boss said: Quote: The article was from today. The Glazer quote I think was from January. The author is a nobody who probably dislikes Dave as much as many here do and had nothing better to do while quarantined. The Glazer quote was from today. It's from his Q&A on the athletic. Since it's just one question out of many I think it's ok to post. Quote: Given how close it appeared Dave Gettleman was to being let go at the end of the season and John Mara’s comment about him needing to “Get his batting average up,” do you think he is still in the hot seat being that the Giants now have a young first-time head coach? If the Giants have another poor season, do you believe he ends up retiring to Cape Cod? — Dan R. I don’t know if he’ll end up retiring but yeah, I think he was close this year. He made a case to ownership to come back. He presented a plan for how he’ll turn it around in a year. That needs to happen. If it doesn’t happen, he’ll be gone and rightfully so. If he doesn’t follow through, it’s time to go. I would hope that Gettleman has also learned a bit about himself and his interactions with people during this process. Anytime you’re on the hot seat, you have to look inside yourself and say, “What’s my responsibility in this?” and make changes.

Thx for clarifying. I could have sworn I saw a quote like that from Glazer back after Shurmer got canned.

pick a coach, some coordinators and a GM and just stick with it for at least 5 years.

also BBI needs take a seat on the bench when it comes to calling for peoples jobs this season.

just because Jay Glazer made a bold prediction, people make him out to be some deity. He also reported (not a bold prediction) that Gettlman was on shaky ground after last season and started a news cycle that implied DG was going to get canned. So, keep that report in mind when you read this one. He is trying to salvage his reporting by saying that Gettleman had to fight to save his job and the proof is that he is on this one year deal. Sounds like face saving bs from Glazer as opposed to a real story. These guys are all clowns and as bad as John Mara has been and he has been bad, he cannot be that stupid to allow DG to hire another coach while giving him one year when we are so far away.

This does not pass the smell test.

Is where he needs to improve. Gettleman, Mara have already said that

In comment 14854704 bc4life said:

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Is where he needs to improve. Gettleman, Mara have already said that

Exactly. Gettleman and Mara have been far more transparent and open about the failures than some fans want to acknowledge.

Improvements needed in veteran acquisitions, technology, analytics, scouting, coaching -- all acknowledged.

The Giants have lost double digit games in 5 of the last 6 seasons. They will had had 4 coaches in 6 seasons. Plenty to improve on, and the brass admits it.

In comment 14854639 Giantsfan79 said:

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0-6 wins - DG is fired 7-8 wins - DG maybe stays if the Giants are competitive in the losses 9+ wins - DG is kept

Simple as this

Also it's "how" the record is reached. And the product on the field and performance.

I doubt they get more than 6 wins this season (if there's a season even)