| I don’t know if he’ll end up retiring but yeah, I think he was close this year. He made a case to ownership to come back. He presented a plan for how he’ll turn it around in a year. That needs to happen. If it doesn’t happen, he’ll be gone and rightfully so. If he doesn’t follow through, it’s time to go. I would hope that Gettleman has also learned a bit about himself and his interactions with people during this process. Anytime you’re on the hot seat, you have to look inside yourself and say, “What’s my responsibility in this?” and make changes. - Jay Glazer |
Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made?
If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters.
Is it that hard to acknowledge that some of you are so over the top in your criticism that there are posts that defend him from those unwarranted takes?
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Let's get rid of DG. Let's trade DJ? Let's fire Judge if he doesn't win 12 games next year.
Let's face facts. This team is not very talented and the problem has been festering for years thanks to our previous GM.
How about we let DG work this draft to add young talent to our team. Let's give Judge 2 or 3 years to get things going. Let's fix our OL first so we don't waste another year of Barkley (RBs have a limited shelf life). If we can run the ball it helps the defense. If it's 3 and out I don't care how many all pros you add to the defense they will be worn down come the 4th qtr.
If this team can win 6 games it's a start. If they win 8 games I'd consider it a successful season. Next year we concentrate on the defense and sprinkle in a few picks on offense. Year 3 start picking and choosing.
Nobody is calling for trading Jones and firing Judge if next year is what many think it will be. Dave is another story. If after this year, the team wins 5, 4, and 4-6 games in his 3 years, why should he get a 4th year?
They will though, cause most of our BBI fans are short sighted and suck.
No we dont need to fire him because then we destroy any alliance Judge has with the front office.
Gettleman has had 2 seasons so far...2!
what the fuck
Signing a bunch of fringe starters to a bad football team is not going to produce a massive turnaround.
Maybe maybe not. What does turn a team around is coaching coupled with with about 15 high draft picks all entering their respective prime. What if guys like carter and Ximines turn into solid pros? Baker? What if Daniel jones goes from promising rookie to veteran? Barkley doesn’t miss half the year along with engram?
This was one of the youngest teams in the nfl last year. Forget what the numbers might say. The defense was infantile.
Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made?
If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters.
You might want to keep an eye out for any post from Gettledogman, 5BowlsSoon, and Spider56 as examples.
There is definitely a contingent who vocally support the majority of Gettleman's work.
Often with the form and function you typically jump all over when it's a view you oppose.
Don’t bet on it. Giants will be better. Organically they will be better just by accident.
He is getting the players the coach wants while structuring contracts that preserve future cap space with much younger and players.
Those are just facts so far. If he does it next year as well he leaves a stable founda and perhaps a top 25% QB.
Still, his last press conference will be a doozy.
Don’t bet on it. Giants will be better. Organically they will be better just by accident.
Well, there is ringing endorsement. By accident.
He is getting the players the coach wants while structuring contracts that preserve future cap space with much younger and players.
Those are just facts so far. If he does it next year as well he leaves a stable founda and perhaps a top 25% QB.
Still, his last press conference will be a doozy.
I think this is most plausible. It must have occurred to Mara Tisch this past season that they couldn’t really replace the HC this year and then a completely new GM next year. A transition to Abrams and a kick upstairs makes sense. Very Giants like. It might actually work too.
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It doesn’t take an in the know reporter like glazer to come up with this. If the giants suck balls in 2020 and all those kids DG drafted help the team suck balls, DG himself would admit he’s toast.
Don’t bet on it. Giants will be better. Organically they will be better just by accident.
Well, there is ringing endorsement. By accident.
Organically improving by accident means the collection of young players here will get better because that’s how these things usually work.
Exactly
Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made?
If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters.
Is it that hard to acknowledge that some of you are so over the top in your criticism that there are posts that defend him from those unwarranted takes?
what the fuck
2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.
it takes time to build a winning franchise look at fucking SF...seriously like get a grip and let this shit play out.
Give Getteleman another run with Judge and then check back in 2-3 years.
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of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here?
Is there evidence of threads being created that talk glowingly about the moves he's made?
If not, it is a strawman argument, needlessly referenced for the sole reason of trying to label a non-existent group of posters.
Is it that hard to acknowledge that some of you are so over the top in your criticism that there are posts that defend him from those unwarranted takes?
what the fuck
2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.
it takes time to build a winning franchise look at fucking SF...seriously like get a grip and let this shit play out.
Give Getteleman another run with Judge and then check back in 2-3 years.
Dude - those are some of the same points I've made before. My point is that there is a fairly large group of posters here who bash his every move or who start threads complaining about how bad he is - and then flip it around to call anyone defending him "The Dave Gettleman Fan Club".
You've had posters either intentionally or ignorantly mischaracterize how he's implemented analytics. You've had posters complain about his attitude at press conferences. You've had posters who have held it against him for the way he was hired. You even have one raging moron who calls his DSG - with the S meaning Shitbag, for no good reason at all.
And when you point out that he's had a fairly impressive body of work in his career and had success in Carolina - you get called a member of a fan club. It is actually pretty bizarre.
That's what I said??
I said labeling people on this board as Gettleman Fan Club members is a bizarre take.
I see the contrarian slant didn't die with the new handle, Googs.
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and being a harsh critic of him is a bizarre take?
That's what I said??
I said labeling people on this board as Gettleman Fan Club members is a bizarre take.
I see the contrarian slant didn't die with the new handle, Googs.
Wait....LBH15 is Googs?
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and being a harsh critic of him is a bizarre take?
That's what I said??
I said labeling people on this board as Gettleman Fan Club members is a bizarre take.
I see the contrarian slant didn't die with the new handle, Googs.
Aren’t you known for over the top insults of other posters?
Now it’s not ok? Is “fuckstick” banned too?
Huh? He took the long game approach last offseason, and once again took the long game approach with this FA period.
win quickly? He traded a bunch of vets for draft picks. He drafted a young QB.
In perfect bizarro irony, here ya go. They aren't too hard to spot. Replete with excuses and exaggerations.
what the fuck
2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.
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of the idiots that call a group the Dave Gettleman Fan Club provide examples of posts/threads proactively stating that Gettleman is a top flight GM and that he's doing a great job here?
In perfect bizarro irony, here ya go. They aren't too hard to spot. Replete with excuses and exaggerations.
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what the fuck
2 years homie, he's had 2 effing years ....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. But no no no lets just focus on 2 or 3 FA's that didn't meet our unrealistic expectations cause we as fans know soooo much better.
ummmm what?
Dear Christian...
please clarify what I said is an exaggeration or some grotesque excuse
Gettleman has not had just a few free agents that didn’t meet expectations. I’m struggling to actually find a few that did.
LB/DE Kareem Martin (Signed by Giants; 3-Years, $15 million)
LT Nate Solder (Signed by Giants; 4-Years, $62 million)
OG Patrick Omameh (Signed by Giants; 3-Years, $15 million)
CB Curtis Riley (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $630,000 salary)
WR Cody Latimer (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $2.5 million)
S Michael Thomas (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $4 million)
TE Scott Simonson (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $705,000 salary)
OG Zac Kerin (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $630,000 salary)
LB Connor Barwin (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $5 million)
CB Leonard Johnson (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $790,000 salary)
RB Jonathan Stewart (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $6.9 million)
CB Teddy Williams (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $880,000)
CB B.W. Webb (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $815,000)
DE Josh Mauro (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $880,000)
CB William Gay (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $1.105 million)
QB Alex Tanney (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $555,000 salary)
DT A.J. Francis (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $705,000 salary)
S Orion Stewart (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $480,000 salary)
WR Russell Shepard (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $1.25 million)
OT Jarron Jones (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $480,000 salary)
NT John Jenkins (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $790,000 salary)
LB Nate Stupar (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $850,000 salary)
WR Golden Tate (Signed by Giants; 4-Years, $37.5 million)
LB Markus Golden (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $3,281,250)
DE Olsen Pierre (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $943,750)
RB Rod Smith (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $805,000)
S Antoine Bethea (Signed by Giants; 2-Years, $6.5 million)
RT Mike Remmers (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $2.5 million)
TE Eric Tomlinson (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $720,000)
LB David Mayo (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $805,000)
LB Deone Bucannon (Signed by Giants; 1-Year, $805,000)
Nevertheless,
Nevertheless, if the DGFC is meeting soon again please send out the minutes.
Hit send to fast on above post
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list of bad deals is Jonathan Stewart because it was such a ridiculous signing anyway you want to look at it...performance value, dollars, timing, guaranteed $, player demand. Was that DG’s first deal as the Giant GM?
Nevertheless, if the DGFC is meeting soon again please send out the minutes.
Hit send to fast on above post
Of all the characters in the play getting blame, I find Gettleman a curious cause to actively defend. The list of crimes is long, and there is certainly hyperbolic blame cast at Mara, Tisch, Shurmur, Bettcher, and Manning, too.
The merry go round of explanations for Gettleman's lack of success makes me dizzy.
- There was no such thing as a re-build in the NFL, then there were no alternatives to the subpar players he brought on to stabilize the team
- Eli Manning had plenty left, then Eli Manning was forced on him
- Shurmur was a QB whisperer, then Shurmur was a loser
- The Giants needed to re-load the talent and spend, then the Giants were in cap hell after that didn't work
- Now we get to ignore most of the last 2 years (except the good things), because in reality year 3 is where it was always really just beginning
It might just be Gettleman is a guy that used to be pretty good at his job, and either didn't have much control over the Giants the last 2 years, or did a pretty bad job overall.
It might just be Gettleman has every ability to do a good job again. I sure hope it's the latter.
"....and in those 2 years arguably drafted 2 of the better cornerstone players for this franchise. Also got the Giants out of significant cap hell so that this team can build a young core. "
"......it takes time to build a winning franchise..."
Give Getteleman another run with Judge and then check back in 2-3 years.
If one gives up on DG after this year, we'll never know what the source of the problem has been. I'm thinking the roster is pointing in the right direction after getting rid of some burden. Too soon to make any calls on the coaching staff...hence the 2-3 year plan makes sense and I'm leaning towards the 3 year plan in leniency given all the changes.