I just re-read the draft thread from last year. So many people here hated the pick. A year later, is there anyone who would sign for this scenario:
-Giants draft Tua or Herbert at 4
-Giants trade Daniel Jones to NE for their 1st round pick
Is there anyone here who would do that? I’m just curious given how criticized the pick was last year.
Note: I’m very high on Jones & would NOT do this. I am curious though if anyone on BBI would go this route.
Nah, I'll stick with DJ
Here's Johnny!!!
With Judge at head coach and having such a strong relationship with Saban, I could see Judge wanting his own guy and Tua being that guy.
After all that has been said and done I think the chances of us selecting another QB are super low. Jones needs to work on something’s but there is certainly enough to move forward.
Did you read my thread? It’s an honest question, I would not do it. I re-read last year’s draft thread and a common theme was how the 2020 QB class was loaded. I’m honestly curious if anyone still felt that way.
Unless my memory is deceiving me. But I could swear he posted that unsolicited on a thread months back.
Not sure where I would fall on this, but I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand
Not sure where I would fall on this, but I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand
Which QB, Tua? He's a walking IL waiting to happen. The top 4 OL will be gone by #15.
More talent is coming......
Now, I suspect it will not be the same for TE...I think Engram days are numbered.
Quote:
I honestly don’t understand how a Giant fan could watch Jones’ entire rookie season and not be anything but excited about our new young QB. He has work to do but my God people. Trade him for an unknown in this draft?
Did you read my thread? It’s an honest question, I would not do it. I re-read last year’s draft thread and a common theme was how the 2020 QB class was loaded. I’m honestly curious if anyone still felt that way.
sean, DK was generalizing. Nothing personal, imo. I happen to agree with him.
But having seen what Danny accomplished his rookie season, I wouldn’t trade Jones for either of them, or Burrow.
Danny Jones’ rookie season was so superior to anything I ve ever seen from a Giants rookie quarterback l, in my years of fandom, since 1956, I have difficulty understanding his still many critics here.
His fumbling problems greatly diminished as the year went on, and in his first game he led a 19 pt comeback, something the Giants hadn’t accomplished in 2 decades, in the process making some unbelievable plays.
I think most of the criticism towards this guy by Giants fans is based on them being disappointing Eli s career ended before he or they were ready.
Good pt. of discussion Sean l, for those who read carefully enough to understand your pt. was to revisit the gnashing of teeth over the Jones pick with the benefit of hindsight.
Herbert vs. Jones is interesting and goes back to last draft - do you take the guy that looks more Pro ready despite playing with absolute shit around him or the guy who put up really good numbers in a much better program? I haven't watch enough of Herbert this past year to know how clean he is at this point in time but I've seen a year of Jones already in the pro's and I wouldn't give him up to risk the stage being too big for the next guy.
Tua has a big injury history already. I would pass on him even if I needed a QB. I dont see a long career. Herbert hasn't shown enough to say hes could be the guy. He's a mid 1st talent, a guy you take if he falls to you but I dont see teams trading up to get him unless they are desperate.
History is not kind when you look at who the "experts" believe will be the best QB's. It's an unknown. Look at which QB's have been drafted in the Top 5 over the years and see how many busts there are. For every Manning or Elway, there's a Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russel, Tim Couch, Heath Shuler, Mark Sanchez, Joey Harrington, etc. Expand that to 1st round in general and the list is huge.
Why would you presume to know the future and trade a known QB in DJ who has already shown the goods at the NFL level for an unknown?
LOL. Exactly.
If Tua or Herbert reached a scouting grade level approx or better than had on Jones, yes I would give it consideration.
But would any of us do it? As a new GM, if we thought DJ wasn't really that good, then sure. A new GM would want to pick his guy.
But Tua appears to be an injury waiting to happen at the NFL level, and Herbert is an unknown at the NFL level.
Daniel Jones performed exceptionally well for a rookie given he circumstances w/ the Giants OL and supporting cast. I'd think a new regime would smartly want to build around him.
We know DJ's floor - a soled NFL starter, but his ceiling could be much more than that. I'd rather take my chances with him.
I think Jones is a bigger better Tua.
Tua's best attribute is his accuracy. Jones' best attribute is his ball placement. Jones is bigger and at least as athletic, probably more athletic.
No way I make the trade.
and Herbert? No.
AGREE JEZO BEZO
Jones is already where you would hope the next guy could be at this time next year.
If we trade Jones and start fresh with a rookie we might as well trade Barkley too.
Tua is a hard no because like others said he showed no durability while playing behind one of the best offensive lines in college football. If he was already so reckless with his body at the college level why would that change playing against much heavier defensive pressure in the NFL? I'd be willing to give him a pass for bombing in the Clemson game since that was an outlier. He played some of his best ball in some of his other encounters against his toughest competition. Exhibit A is the LSU game where he was lights out in the second half, rallying his team back to almost steal a game against a clearly superior opponent. He has all the poise, the accuracy, the arm strength and leadership you look for in a franchise quarterback but takes way too many unnecessary risks and already carries a significant injury history on a smallish frame. That makes him a very hard pass.
This should really be the talking point. Would you have rather drafted Allen last year and still be able to get your future QB this year. My answer is, yes.
There were people last year talking about the Giants strong interest for Herbert. He stayed in school another year and is a better prospect than last year
He already missed more games in his first year than Eli did in his entire career.
There were people last year talking about the Giants strong interest for Herbert. He stayed in school another year and is a better prospect than last year
You could also then compare Jones + Simmons vs Herbert + Allen, we could still end up with a dynamic defensive player or stud OT.
Daniel Jones is our QB. What we are going to do at #4 to supplement what we have right now going forward should be the talking point.