this is the best show on TV right now, and it might be my second favorite show of all time...behind Breaking Bad. Kim becomes more interesting every episode. It's amazing how put together she seems, but this addiction she has to Jimmy is fascinating. The fact that Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould were able to take a show with a limited timeframe, and turn in 5 excellent seasons with more to come is truly unbelievable. BCS is going to wind up having a longer run than Breaking Bad!
Since this is not a spoilers thread, I won't get into too much detail, but I wonder what comes of Howard after last night's episode too.
wedding I've ever seen on TV and it makes sense from Jimmy's standpoint, but not sure really what's in it for Kim.
Kim has this need to "save" Jimmy, partly because, in my opinion, he taps into an element of her personality that she feels she needs, and no one else can bring that out in her.
I rewound 3 times last night to watch the final Jimmy-Howard scene
wedding I've ever seen on TV and it makes sense from Jimmy's standpoint, but not sure really what's in it for Kim.
Kim has this need to "save" Jimmy, partly because, in my opinion, he taps into an element of her personality that she feels she needs, and no one else can bring that out in her.
they don't need to be married for that though, right?
Jimmy you can see, like he said, it makes it so Kim would never have to testify against him. I guess the opposite can be true too.
- the wedding (the very special wedding episode of BCS!)
- Friend of the Cartel
- Lalo's beautiful "family"
- Kim's killer double back finger wag
- Gus and Spicy Curly Fries!
- Gus, Lydia, and Madigral's CEO, and references to them together in Chile, backs to the wall. Hmmm.
- Sliding chicken bombs
- Mike deciding to play the hand he's been dealt
- The Saul explosion at the end
Have been able to craft an entire story and character arc around two characters mentioned in passing in Breaking Bad, Lalo and Nacho.
They leave no stone unturned in this prequel. Anything and everything mentioned in Breaking Bad that was offscreen for Saul, Mike, or Gus is being shown onscreen and explained in Better Call Saul.
I don't think it's hyperbole to say this is going to wind up the greatest prequel ever made. A guy like Vince Gilligan seems to have been born to write about this universe he created.
- She's a child of an unreliable mother and Jimmy taps that psychological vein, that's what the cold open was about last week, in part. She associates love with this, perhaps unconsciously.
- She and Jimmy have a lot of history, and who else does Kim have history with on the show? They both started at the bottom in the law. Jimmy was mail room, but Kim was like a paralegal or intern. They didn't have Chuck's genius or Howard's father. They had to slog it up from the bottom. So there is an affinity there, too.
- Kim has the need for the excitement of Jimmy, or she feels her life falling into the mundane. (See: point one of an unreliable parent, I think.) That's why she relishes the scams as much as Jimmy does, and why she turns back to them and to Jimmy. On Ozarks, the wife said recently "when you're running for your life, everything else seems intolerably boring." I think that's similar with Jimmy. He's always at the razor's edge, and although scary, it's also very exciting compared to the staid HHM or the soul crushing drudgery and stomping the underdogs of her Mesa Verde work.
- As she said, up until last week, he didn't scam her, she was in on it. But she realizes to keep doing this she needs distance, or the protection of being too close to testify
It IS incredible. I'm always amazed how they have managed to draw from the throwaway BB material to flush out things in BCS and tie them together in a way that's not too forced. Also how they took a character that in many ways was fun, comic relief in BB and made him the center of a very deep show with an emotional life all its own. That wasn't clear (even in their minds they've said) when they came up with the idea of a BCS spinoff. They thought it might have just been the wacky adventures of Saul, but thankfully when they got together that's not where it went. I'm glad as that would not have been true to the BB universe that is so rich.
And, I love Vince G.'s work, but in fairness to the current group, it isn't Vince doing the writing anymore. He's been much less involved the last couple of seasons, although he still has a hand in it. Peter Gould and the other writers say they took a lot from Vince, especially his process and his standards. They always start an episode/season by asking "who is the character now, and what do they want?" And they are very exacting at making things real. All the documents they have on desks are made to look real. When we hear the old guy at Tucumcari watching a WWII documentary, they had to make that clip AND the auditioned a narrator voice just for that like 3 seconds in the background. Just great attention to detail. That's part of why they can tie things back, because there were few things just thrown into BB. They each got some attention.
That being said I read he wrote and directed next week's episode and he said it's the most satisfied he has personally been with any of his writing/directing for BB/BCS. The cast was hyping this coming episode too before the season as the best one in the series. Odenkirk said it's on par if not better than the best BB episodes.
Also they released today that episode 9 will be 85 minutes. That's with commercials so it's probably more like a 60-62 minute episode.
- the wedding (the very special wedding episode of BCS!)
- Friend of the Cartel
- Lalo's beautiful "family"
- Kim's killer double back finger wag
- Gus and Spicy Curly Fries!
- Gus, Lydia, and Madigral's CEO, and references to them together in Chile, backs to the wall. Hmmm.
- Sliding chicken bombs
- Mike deciding to play the hand he's been dealt
- The Saul explosion at the end
I love how they’re leaving breadcrumbs to lead us to hopefully the rest of Gus’s backstory. That was one thing left unfulfilled in BB...we found out he was Chilean, and there was a mysterious past there. We saw the genesis of his long game of revenge against the Salamanca’s and the cartel. But there’s a lot in between we’d love to find out about.
documents Saul handed to the judge at the wedding? Proof of dissolution of prior marriages?
Yes.
Remember in Breaking Bad Saul tells Walt a story about his "second wife". It is really interesting that they told us the audience that Kim is not the second wife, AND they made a point to tell the audience they are not doing the ring thing. Saul of course wore no wedding ring in BB.
Unbelievably, it opens the door for the real possibility that Kim was married to Saul offscreen the entire time of Breaking Bad. I still find this difficult to believe but it's no longer completely impossible.
- She's a child of an unreliable mother and Jimmy taps that psychological vein, that's what the cold open was about last week, in part. She associates love with this, perhaps unconsciously.
- She and Jimmy have a lot of history, and who else does Kim have history with on the show? They both started at the bottom in the law. Jimmy was mail room, but Kim was like a paralegal or intern. They didn't have Chuck's genius or Howard's father. They had to slog it up from the bottom. So there is an affinity there, too.
- Kim has the need for the excitement of Jimmy, or she feels her life falling into the mundane. (See: point one of an unreliable parent, I think.) That's why she relishes the scams as much as Jimmy does, and why she turns back to them and to Jimmy. On Ozarks, the wife said recently "when you're running for your life, everything else seems intolerably boring." I think that's similar with Jimmy. He's always at the razor's edge, and although scary, it's also very exciting compared to the staid HHM or the soul crushing drudgery and stomping the underdogs of her Mesa Verde work.
- As she said, up until last week, he didn't scam her, she was in on it. But she realizes to keep doing this she needs distance, or the protection of being too close to testify
agree but only one of those things requires marriage (not testifying), but she could also just make the choice not to testify - maybe plead the 5th, or get a case of amnesia, or something.
I do think that also benefits Jimmy more than Kim, so for me the "what's in it for Kim" answer about their marriage is as of yet not fully answered.
And in that courthouse scene there was ZERO joy in her face, it definitely seemed like a business transaction. I wonder if she has some plan where she wants it so Jimmy won't have to testify against her.
Like I know you're not supposed to deep fry a frozen turkey or chicken because the oil overflows onto an open flame, but I missed on the mechanics of how this produced an explosion.
RE: My wife and I are still trying to wrap our head
Like I know you're not supposed to deep fry a frozen turkey or chicken because the oil overflows onto an open flame, but I missed on the mechanics of how this produced an explosion.
frozen turkey in hot oil will produce fire/explosion and they doused the place in gas as an accelerant.
Since this is not a spoilers thread, I won't get into too much detail, but I wonder what comes of Howard after last night's episode too.
Kim has this need to "save" Jimmy, partly because, in my opinion, he taps into an element of her personality that she feels she needs, and no one else can bring that out in her.
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wedding I've ever seen on TV and it makes sense from Jimmy's standpoint, but not sure really what's in it for Kim.
Kim has this need to "save" Jimmy, partly because, in my opinion, he taps into an element of her personality that she feels she needs, and no one else can bring that out in her.
they don't need to be married for that though, right?
Jimmy you can see, like he said, it makes it so Kim would never have to testify against him. I guess the opposite can be true too.
- the wedding (the very special wedding episode of BCS!)
- Friend of the Cartel
- Lalo's beautiful "family"
- Kim's killer double back finger wag
- Gus and Spicy Curly Fries!
- Gus, Lydia, and Madigral's CEO, and references to them together in Chile, backs to the wall. Hmmm.
- Sliding chicken bombs
- Mike deciding to play the hand he's been dealt
- The Saul explosion at the end
They leave no stone unturned in this prequel. Anything and everything mentioned in Breaking Bad that was offscreen for Saul, Mike, or Gus is being shown onscreen and explained in Better Call Saul.
I don't think it's hyperbole to say this is going to wind up the greatest prequel ever made. A guy like Vince Gilligan seems to have been born to write about this universe he created.
- She's a child of an unreliable mother and Jimmy taps that psychological vein, that's what the cold open was about last week, in part. She associates love with this, perhaps unconsciously.
- She and Jimmy have a lot of history, and who else does Kim have history with on the show? They both started at the bottom in the law. Jimmy was mail room, but Kim was like a paralegal or intern. They didn't have Chuck's genius or Howard's father. They had to slog it up from the bottom. So there is an affinity there, too.
- Kim has the need for the excitement of Jimmy, or she feels her life falling into the mundane. (See: point one of an unreliable parent, I think.) That's why she relishes the scams as much as Jimmy does, and why she turns back to them and to Jimmy. On Ozarks, the wife said recently "when you're running for your life, everything else seems intolerably boring." I think that's similar with Jimmy. He's always at the razor's edge, and although scary, it's also very exciting compared to the staid HHM or the soul crushing drudgery and stomping the underdogs of her Mesa Verde work.
- As she said, up until last week, he didn't scam her, she was in on it. But she realizes to keep doing this she needs distance, or the protection of being too close to testify
And, I love Vince G.'s work, but in fairness to the current group, it isn't Vince doing the writing anymore. He's been much less involved the last couple of seasons, although he still has a hand in it. Peter Gould and the other writers say they took a lot from Vince, especially his process and his standards. They always start an episode/season by asking "who is the character now, and what do they want?" And they are very exacting at making things real. All the documents they have on desks are made to look real. When we hear the old guy at Tucumcari watching a WWII documentary, they had to make that clip AND the auditioned a narrator voice just for that like 3 seconds in the background. Just great attention to detail. That's part of why they can tie things back, because there were few things just thrown into BB. They each got some attention.
Also they released today that episode 9 will be 85 minutes. That's with commercials so it's probably more like a 60-62 minute episode.
- the wedding (the very special wedding episode of BCS!)
- Friend of the Cartel
- Lalo's beautiful "family"
- Kim's killer double back finger wag
- Gus and Spicy Curly Fries!
- Gus, Lydia, and Madigral's CEO, and references to them together in Chile, backs to the wall. Hmmm.
- Sliding chicken bombs
- Mike deciding to play the hand he's been dealt
- The Saul explosion at the end
I love how they’re leaving breadcrumbs to lead us to hopefully the rest of Gus’s backstory. That was one thing left unfulfilled in BB...we found out he was Chilean, and there was a mysterious past there. We saw the genesis of his long game of revenge against the Salamanca’s and the cartel. But there’s a lot in between we’d love to find out about.
Yes.
Remember in Breaking Bad Saul tells Walt a story about his "second wife". It is really interesting that they told us the audience that Kim is not the second wife, AND they made a point to tell the audience they are not doing the ring thing. Saul of course wore no wedding ring in BB.
Unbelievably, it opens the door for the real possibility that Kim was married to Saul offscreen the entire time of Breaking Bad. I still find this difficult to believe but it's no longer completely impossible.
- She's a child of an unreliable mother and Jimmy taps that psychological vein, that's what the cold open was about last week, in part. She associates love with this, perhaps unconsciously.
- She and Jimmy have a lot of history, and who else does Kim have history with on the show? They both started at the bottom in the law. Jimmy was mail room, but Kim was like a paralegal or intern. They didn't have Chuck's genius or Howard's father. They had to slog it up from the bottom. So there is an affinity there, too.
- Kim has the need for the excitement of Jimmy, or she feels her life falling into the mundane. (See: point one of an unreliable parent, I think.) That's why she relishes the scams as much as Jimmy does, and why she turns back to them and to Jimmy. On Ozarks, the wife said recently "when you're running for your life, everything else seems intolerably boring." I think that's similar with Jimmy. He's always at the razor's edge, and although scary, it's also very exciting compared to the staid HHM or the soul crushing drudgery and stomping the underdogs of her Mesa Verde work.
- As she said, up until last week, he didn't scam her, she was in on it. But she realizes to keep doing this she needs distance, or the protection of being too close to testify
agree but only one of those things requires marriage (not testifying), but she could also just make the choice not to testify - maybe plead the 5th, or get a case of amnesia, or something.
I do think that also benefits Jimmy more than Kim, so for me the "what's in it for Kim" answer about their marriage is as of yet not fully answered.
And in that courthouse scene there was ZERO joy in her face, it definitely seemed like a business transaction. I wonder if she has some plan where she wants it so Jimmy won't have to testify against her.
A return of almost any of the lead caricatures from Breaking Bad could resurface to lead the next phase of the franchise. Walt Jr?
I think there's a happy ending in store for Jimmy on the other side of Breaking Bad, and I think that would involve reuniting with Kim.
frozen turkey in hot oil will produce fire/explosion and they doused the place in gas as an accelerant.
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Probably saving herself from being disbarred if all the stuff she did with Jimmy is ever suspected or came up in a case.