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Vikings ESPN: NYG were a “serious” suitor for Anthony Harris

Defenderdawg : 3/31/2020 11:48 am
Cronin ESPN Minn: What are Vikings' options after using franchise tag on Anthony Harris?

Two weeks of free agency have come and gone without any movement. The New York Giants and Cleveland Browns were among several of the serious suitors interested in Harris, according to league sources, but he remains with the Vikings.
It's possible that the asking price is too high -- what Minnesota wants in return for a trade and the salary Harris would like on a long-term deal.
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I hope people aren't  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/31/2020 11:55 am : link
actually mad at this, paying for a safety in assets and big money is foolish.

You do that for an OL or DE pretty much if anything
I mentioned this in Sy's draft thread.  
Strahan91 : 3/31/2020 11:57 am : link
Harris would be a great fit for what the Giants need depending on the cost. Sounds like the asking price is more of a 2 than a 4 though...
Not giving up  
TommyWiseau : 3/31/2020 11:59 am : link
A bunch of picks for the right to pay him big cash. Maybe for our 3rd round pick (and thats only if we have a contract for him in place). We need our 1st and 2nd round picks this year.
if you keep doing  
Enzo : 3/31/2020 12:00 pm : link
deals where you "pay twice" in terms of picks and then salary like Williams and then potentially for Harris, you're just making it that much harder to build your roster.
Saquon  
ChicagoMarty : 3/31/2020 12:00 pm : link
You mean like how we paid for OT Nate Solder or DE Olivier Vernon?

How did that work out for the Jints?

Safety has been a big hole for the Jints forever.

We had the #28 ranked pass defense last year and deep safety was a big reason.

Lets fix it
Agree with above points on not paying twice for  
LBH15 : 3/31/2020 12:06 pm : link
good players. If can’t find and develop our own, then fire the front office and find someone who can.
So Giants have identified Free Safety  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/31/2020 12:34 pm : link
As a prime need area. Interesting to see if how that unfolds in the draft.
RE: I mentioned this in Sy's draft thread.  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/31/2020 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14855102 Strahan91 said:
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Harris would be a great fit for what the Giants need depending on the cost. Sounds like the asking price is more of a 2 than a 4 though...


Draft day trade after a slight tradedown...
RE: Saquon  
UConn4523 : 3/31/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14855108 ChicagoMarty said:
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You mean like how we paid for OT Nate Solder or DE Olivier Vernon?

How did that work out for the Jints?

Safety has been a big hole for the Jints forever.

We had the #28 ranked pass defense last year and deep safety was a big reason.

Lets fix it


We shouldn't do things based on how previous failures netted out. We should make (or not make) a move for a player because of the now. Can't you just point to anything that didn't work out and say the same thing?

I'm all about upgrading anywhere possible but 2019 and earlier shouldn't factor into those decisions IMO.
Would’ve been fine with signing him in the open market  
Breeze_94 : 3/31/2020 12:48 pm : link
To a 3 year deal

But would not give up assets to trade for a good but not great safety who will turn 29 in October. Didn’t realize he was that old...his breakout came pretty late
Not much value in trading for  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/31/2020 1:04 pm : link
a top player entering a contract year. Only maybe, just maybe if you think you're one player away from contending for a championship, but even the trades for Cooper and Mack look like a mistake in retrospect.

Of course Mitch Trubisky deservedly gets much of the blame.
It's a mix of both  
allstarjim : 3/31/2020 1:21 pm : link
Vernon was a good bet. Had really good metrics in terms of pressures.

Solder was a different animal. The fact is, we had nowhere to turn for competence at the tackle position, much less Eli's blind side at left tackle. Solder was the guy in a very, very scarce market, and the only way we were going to get him was an overpay, so that's what they did.

And I will say this, for all the shit he takes on here, he has brought competence to the position. He has had bad games, he has had terrible moments, and everyone remembers those. But he also has had good games, which nobody seems to remember, and all of that washes out to a league average LT, which is a huge improvement over what we had with Ereck Flowers in that spot.

There are people who continue to claim that we are no better off at OL than when DG took over. This is not the case. It can and has been worse. Way worse. And it was WAY WORSE before DG overhauled that position group. That's not to say the job is done, because it's clearly not.

However, if anyone is going to try and say that the group of Solder, Hernandez, Pio, Zeitler, and Remmers (and let's not forget Gates as a swing tackle), isn't notably superior to the MASH unit we had in 2017 of Flowers, John Jerry, Richburg/Brett Jones, Pio again, Justin Pugh, and Bobby Hart, along with the other backups that were forced into action and couldn't really play like Bisnowaty and Wheeler...you have another thing coming.

This group hasn't been perfect, but it had a modicum of competence last year, and can be a lot worse. Yes, we need a Center, and we need at least one tackle and probably two for the long term replacement of Solder. Yes, DG missed on Omameh and Solder hasn't been as good as he was earlier in his career.

But I wouldn't count out Solder to not have a bounceback year this year. He'll only be 32, not ancient for OL standards, and he does know how to play the position. If he feels healthy and stays healthy, and we fix RT and C, this group could actually be a strength.
I would either draft a mid round guy or pick up a veteran  
eric2425ny : 3/31/2020 2:19 pm : link
to compete with Love and hope that Love wins the starting job. The guy has excellent ball skills and is young and cost controlled. He broke up some obscene number of passes when he was at Notre Dame.

This is part of the problem as a fan of a rebuilding team. You have to give some of these young guys a chance to develop vs. giving them a rookie year and moving on to a more expensive option right away.
If you're going to have to pay him....  
Torrag : 3/31/2020 2:28 pm : link
the price has to come down. If not then he's all yours Minnesota.
RE: It's a mix of both  
LBH15 : 3/31/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14855206 allstarjim said:
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However, if anyone is going to try and say that the group of Solder, Hernandez, Pio, Zeitler, and Remmers (and let's not forget Gates as a swing tackle), isn't notably superior to the MASH unit we had in 2017 of Flowers, John Jerry, Richburg/Brett Jones, Pio again, Justin Pugh, and Bobby Hart, along with the other backups that were forced into action and couldn't really play like Bisnowaty and Wheeler...you have another thing coming.
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Notably superior?

Ok, I will say it. It’s not notably superior. What thing is now coming?
Thank you allstarjim  
TrueBlue56 : 3/31/2020 3:19 pm : link
In regards to the offensive line. Those are my sentiments exactly. People seem to forget just how bad the offensive line was before gettleman took over. Heck, they forget just how bad the team was as a whole. Gettleman has had 2 seasons (he is now in his 3rd season) to build this team from the bottom up.

He has had some misses, but he has made this team younger and has gotten players that we can build around. If he hit on Daniel Jones, then just like accorsi with Eli, he will have hit on the most important piece. The one thing gettleman has done very well is not compound a bad mistake by sticking with whatever move he made. He moved on from omameh, flowers, bethea and beckham to name a few.

And yes, this offensive line is better than the one he inherited, but as mentioned it still needs work and I think we will see some more additions this year. Solder is better than flowers, Hernandez is better than john jerry, halapio is the same, zeitler is better than fluker and Bobby hart is probably better than Fleming, but not by much.
The only thing this tells me is they are aware they need better at FS  
The_Boss : 3/31/2020 4:22 pm : link
Good. Hopefully they’re thinking along the same way with Center, OT, WR, Edge, CB, etc...
RE: RE: It's a mix of both  
allstarjim : 4/1/2020 1:07 am : link
In comment 14855320 LBH15 said:
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In comment 14855206 allstarjim said:


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However, if anyone is going to try and say that the group of Solder, Hernandez, Pio, Zeitler, and Remmers (and let's not forget Gates as a swing tackle), isn't notably superior to the MASH unit we had in 2017 of Flowers, John Jerry, Richburg/Brett Jones, Pio again, Justin Pugh, and Bobby Hart, along with the other backups that were forced into action and couldn't really play like Bisnowaty and Wheeler...you have another thing coming.
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Notably superior?

Ok, I will say it. It’s not notably superior. What thing is now coming?


Then you're deluded and wrong.
RE: Thank you allstarjim  
allstarjim : 4/1/2020 1:13 am : link
In comment 14855353 TrueBlue56 said:
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In regards to the offensive line. Those are my sentiments exactly. People seem to forget just how bad the offensive line was before gettleman took over. Heck, they forget just how bad the team was as a whole. Gettleman has had 2 seasons (he is now in his 3rd season) to build this team from the bottom up.

He has had some misses, but he has made this team younger and has gotten players that we can build around. If he hit on Daniel Jones, then just like accorsi with Eli, he will have hit on the most important piece. The one thing gettleman has done very well is not compound a bad mistake by sticking with whatever move he made. He moved on from omameh, flowers, bethea and beckham to name a few.

And yes, this offensive line is better than the one he inherited, but as mentioned it still needs work and I think we will see some more additions this year. Solder is better than flowers, Hernandez is better than john jerry, halapio is the same, zeitler is better than fluker and Bobby hart is probably better than Fleming, but not by much.


I agree with that except both Remmerz and Fleming is better than Bobby Hart, who was a Trainwreck. Fleming is a competent if unspectacular player.
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Peppers : 4/1/2020 5:32 am : link
If it matters any, this is true.

I heard he was one of four players NYG targeted heavy. -Martinez, Harris, Looney, Bradberry

They also made an attempt at Jeff Heath before Ebner.
RE: RE: Thank you allstarjim  
SGMen : 4/1/2020 5:46 am : link
In comment 14855774 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14855353 TrueBlue56 said:


Quote:


In regards to the offensive line. Those are my sentiments exactly. People seem to forget just how bad the offensive line was before gettleman took over. Heck, they forget just how bad the team was as a whole. Gettleman has had 2 seasons (he is now in his 3rd season) to build this team from the bottom up.

He has had some misses, but he has made this team younger and has gotten players that we can build around. If he hit on Daniel Jones, then just like accorsi with Eli, he will have hit on the most important piece. The one thing gettleman has done very well is not compound a bad mistake by sticking with whatever move he made. He moved on from omameh, flowers, bethea and beckham to name a few.

And yes, this offensive line is better than the one he inherited, but as mentioned it still needs work and I think we will see some more additions this year. Solder is better than flowers, Hernandez is better than john jerry, halapio is the same, zeitler is better than fluker and Bobby hart is probably better than Fleming, but not by much.



I agree with that except both Remmerz and Fleming is better than Bobby Hart, who was a Trainwreck. Fleming is a competent if unspectacular player.
First, I honestly woouldn't give more than a 4th and 7th for Harris IF we had a long-term contract in place for him. I also don't think signing him would be so much a mark against Love, the likely starter now, as it would be their liking Harris skills and experience for a new defense. Also, if Harris were signed I don't see us going for Simmons who I have listed as a FS first; SS second; WLB coverage guy in nickel type.

As for OL, my prayer is that OL Gates really develops and challenges at a few spots! If we trade down from #4 then an OL makes sense cause it is the weakest link on this team right now followed by ER (assuming we sign Golden as I believe we will when it is all said and done) and FS unless Love proves otherwise.
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