in the first round. This has been a glaring need for years. Safety in the second round is fair, although I double down on the OL and go Center in second round.
Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
What makes you think he would? He didn't last year even with the late start. He took 38 sacks in 12 starts. We were spoiled with an ironman in Eli. Daniel is no Eli.
Why is it idiotic? Frankly it is very good. Guarantee Judge and Garrett do a better job protecting Jones than Shurmur did even with almost the same line.
I am open to whatever they do. They could go full oline in this draft or full defense. There are so many needs that none is completely correct nor completely wrong.
Guarantee? Really? How you going to do that? The players aren't good. Solder has regressed two seasons in a row you think he's going to suddenly improve? We have no starting OC on the roster unless you count Pulley. Fleming is a backup.
Didn't get the high level starter in FA. Gates may be a solution but Fleming is a swing tackle/back up plan.
Waiting until late round 3 on a gamble pick? No way.
Jeremiah on McKinney who I could see round 2 provided OT round 1 if he somehow dropped:
McKinney was an instinctive safety for the Tide and he also spent some time playing nickel linebacker. When aligned deep, he is fluid in his movement and he's quick to key/read and drive on the football. His range is excellent. While he can effectively locate the ball, he will occasionally lose a 50/50 battle down the field. He is a dependable wrap/drag tackler. He has a very good feel as a blitzer, displaying timing and burst. Overall, McKinney is an intelligent, versatile defender and he should be very effective in multiple roles.
Guarantee? Really? How you going to do that? The players aren't good. Solder has regressed two seasons in a row you think he's going to suddenly improve? We have no starting OC on the roster unless you count Pulley. Fleming is a backup.
Guarantee? omfg.
Guaranteed is a bit ridiculous, but I do question our coaches when not only did Solder play get worse and Hernandez play got worse, but even Zeitler wasn't as good last year. That isn't a good trend. I would think there is a good chance that Solder, Hernandez and Zeitler all play better, but is that really saying much. Plus that are all short term and you need a Center and RT. I love Simmons, but I would be happy with an OT in round one especially if we have a small trade down. Plus if we don't go OT in round 1 then we can't wait until the 3rd and 4th round to address our line!
It’s not like shitty OL play was a one year phenomenon
Is a good mock. Don’t listen to these nay sayers!! I’m down for an OT in the 3rd, to me OT isn’t a big a need as people making it out to be. Plus the best LT is in next years class anyway
in the first round. This has been a glaring need for years. Safety in the second round is fair, although I double down on the OL and go Center in second round.
Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
They don't have to do anything. They need to draft the BPA. We need talent accross the board.
The idea we'd be starting Solder/Fleming at OT makes me vomit in my mouth. Charles is a project. We have the ability to add a legit top level OT in the 1st round and that's the plan schwarzie adopts? Harris in no way fits the Giants profile at OL. A 6'1, 301 pound interior lineman? We just moved on from two undersized OC's before failing with halapio.
Just don't see this attempt having much to recommend it.
Yes the Giant's need at least one, but you don't push a pick because you need it. Take the BPA with the 4th pick or trade down.
I so agree! You don't take a guy like Wirfs when guys like Okudah, Young or Simmons are available at #4 possibly and you have them graded higher.
And in all honestly, who is to say the Giants don't take Tua at #4 and sit him behind Jones this year? It is highly, highly unlikely but "what if" he is their #1 rated guy despite injury? Or Hebert?? Ya just never know but BPA is the only way to draft. Period.
Round #2 you will likely see player ratings lumped and taking an OC may make sense.
Solder-Hernandez-ROOKIE OC-Zeitler-Gates (or Fleming) may not be the worst case scenario for 2020 given our limitations.
If we trade down because someone offers us a "fleece deal" well so be it.
Pulley is an improvement over Pio. Barkley had his best streak of games with Pulley playing center in 2018. There is no way any of the tackles are BPA at 4. Where are all the BPA guys who were in favor of pissing away the second pick of the draft on a running back?
Pulley is an improvement over Pio. Barkley had his best streak of games with Pulley playing center in 2018. There is no way any of the tackles are BPA at 4. Where are all the BPA guys who were in favor of pissing away the second pick of the draft on a running back?
So you'd be replacing shit with warmer shit. Both the C & RT positions need reliable starters not good backups.
in the first round. This has been a glaring need for years. Safety in the second round is fair, although I double down on the OL and go Center in second round.
Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
The dirty secret in the NFL is that almost all of the offensive lines are really bad, other teams have done a much better job at scheming them though.
I mean All of the Giants starts from their "terrible" line a few years ago have gotten huge contracts to play for other teams. Flowers, Pugh, Richburg have all started every game for their new teams. It is because in THIS NFL those three are starting quality offensive linemen (which again says more about how bad OL play is across the league, not just with the Giants)
The Giants have invested a lot of resources in the OL through the draft (Pugh and Flowers were 1st round picks, Richburg a second--Free Agents going back to David Baas/Solder. It's about more than the Joe's there. Hopefully the newer scheme can manage some offensive output
The Giants have to be better at creating space and being progressive in their schematics and Eli had become a liability.
The offensive line Does definitely need to be better, but they are not the only team in that position with a poor line, but they were one of the few teams that could not sniff consistent offensive production.
The other sad thing is how little they can get to the passer from defense. They really, really need some speed and talent on defense. Is that Simmons? I don't know, but they don't have to draft OL because just drafting guys doesn't guarantee success.
Mckinney at 36 is the real head scratcher beside the fact he probably doesn't drop that far in the real draft. Swartz drafts a rangy Safety/LB hybrid at 4 in Simmons then basically doubles down by drafting a player who's natural position is strong safety at 36. Mckinney excels as an in the box missile blowing guys up near the line of scrimmage. He isn't bad in coverage but speed is definitely his achilles heel. He's certainly not the fast rangy guy you want playing deep middle in the NFL. So now what do you do with Peppers and Love? I feel like Swartz consulted Ross/Reece before putting together his mock.
If we're sticking with safeties unlikely to even be around at 36, Delpit at least plugs an immediate need since his natural position is free safety.
Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
Round 2 (pick 36 overall) — S Xavier McKinney, Alabama
Round 3 (pick 99 overall) — OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU
Round 4 (pick 110 overall) — C Nick Harris, Washington
Round 5 (pick 150 overall) — EDGE Jonathan Garvin, Miami
Round 6 (pick 183 overall) — RB Mike Warren, Cincinnati
Round 7 (pick 218 overall) — EDGE D.J. Wonnum, South Carolina
Round 7 (pick 238 overall) — WR Lawrence Cager, Georgia
Round 7 (pick 247 overall) — CB John Reid, Penn State
Round 7 (pick 255 overall) — OT Victor Johnson, Appalachian State
What makes you think he would? He didn't last year even with the late start. He took 38 sacks in 12 starts. We were spoiled with an ironman in Eli. Daniel is no Eli.
Why is it idiotic? Frankly it is very good. Guarantee Judge and Garrett do a better job protecting Jones than Shurmur did even with almost the same line.
I am open to whatever they do. They could go full oline in this draft or full defense. There are so many needs that none is completely correct nor completely wrong.
Guarantee? omfg.
Waiting until late round 3 on a gamble pick? No way.
Jeremiah on McKinney who I could see round 2 provided OT round 1 if he somehow dropped:
McKinney was an instinctive safety for the Tide and he also spent some time playing nickel linebacker. When aligned deep, he is fluid in his movement and he's quick to key/read and drive on the football. His range is excellent. While he can effectively locate the ball, he will occasionally lose a 50/50 battle down the field. He is a dependable wrap/drag tackler. He has a very good feel as a blitzer, displaying timing and burst. Overall, McKinney is an intelligent, versatile defender and he should be very effective in multiple roles.
Guarantee? omfg.
Guaranteed is a bit ridiculous, but I do question our coaches when not only did Solder play get worse and Hernandez play got worse, but even Zeitler wasn't as good last year. That isn't a good trend. I would think there is a good chance that Solder, Hernandez and Zeitler all play better, but is that really saying much. Plus that are all short term and you need a Center and RT. I love Simmons, but I would be happy with an OT in round one especially if we have a small trade down. Plus if we don't go OT in round 1 then we can't wait until the 3rd and 4th round to address our line!
Three words
David Carr Syndrome
Just punt on third and long.
You guys put a lot of faith in rookies.
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Does DJ make it through the season.
You guys put a lot of faith in rookies.
Who will ultimately become veterans. If you think this pick is about locking down OT for just the 2020 playoff run that’s amusing.
How much faith do you have in Solder and Fleming doing the job adequately.
Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
They don't have to do anything. They need to draft the BPA. We need talent accross the board.
Just don't see this attempt having much to recommend it.
Lemme make a suggestion. The next time you see mock draft on the thread... move the mouse to another 1 for your mental well being. No thanks needed.
And in all honestly, who is to say the Giants don't take Tua at #4 and sit him behind Jones this year? It is highly, highly unlikely but "what if" he is their #1 rated guy despite injury? Or Hebert?? Ya just never know but BPA is the only way to draft. Period.
Round #2 you will likely see player ratings lumped and taking an OC may make sense.
Solder-Hernandez-ROOKIE OC-Zeitler-Gates (or Fleming) may not be the worst case scenario for 2020 given our limitations.
If we trade down because someone offers us a "fleece deal" well so be it.
Simmons would likely be as good as any ER except Young getting to the QB.
I know this is a deep WR class -- not sure I'd wait till Round 7 for one.
Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
The dirty secret in the NFL is that almost all of the offensive lines are really bad, other teams have done a much better job at scheming them though.
I mean All of the Giants starts from their "terrible" line a few years ago have gotten huge contracts to play for other teams. Flowers, Pugh, Richburg have all started every game for their new teams. It is because in THIS NFL those three are starting quality offensive linemen (which again says more about how bad OL play is across the league, not just with the Giants)
The Giants have invested a lot of resources in the OL through the draft (Pugh and Flowers were 1st round picks, Richburg a second--Free Agents going back to David Baas/Solder. It's about more than the Joe's there. Hopefully the newer scheme can manage some offensive output
The Giants have to be better at creating space and being progressive in their schematics and Eli had become a liability.
The offensive line Does definitely need to be better, but they are not the only team in that position with a poor line, but they were one of the few teams that could not sniff consistent offensive production.
The other sad thing is how little they can get to the passer from defense. They really, really need some speed and talent on defense. Is that Simmons? I don't know, but they don't have to draft OL because just drafting guys doesn't guarantee success.
Time of possesion net OT - ( New Window )
If we're sticking with safeties unlikely to even be around at 36, Delpit at least plugs an immediate need since his natural position is free safety.