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GFAN52 : 3/31/2020 5:14 pm
Round 1 (pick 4 overall) — LB Isaiah Simmons, Clemson

Round 2 (pick 36 overall) — S Xavier McKinney, Alabama

Round 3 (pick 99 overall) — OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU

Round 4 (pick 110 overall) — C Nick Harris, Washington


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I like it  
90.Cal : 3/31/2020 5:17 pm : link
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Thats idiotic  
Chip : 3/31/2020 5:18 pm : link
Does DJ make it through the season.
mock Drafts  
leinad : 3/31/2020 5:18 pm : link
one of the best mocks so far
awful  
Torrag : 3/31/2020 5:20 pm : link
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The Giants have to go OT  
johnnyb : 3/31/2020 5:21 pm : link
in the first round. This has been a glaring need for years. Safety in the second round is fair, although I double down on the OL and go Center in second round.

Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.
why didn't you include his entire draft?  
Giantsfan79 : 3/31/2020 5:21 pm : link
Round 1 (pick 4 overall) — LB Isaiah Simmons, Clemson

Round 2 (pick 36 overall) — S Xavier McKinney, Alabama

Round 3 (pick 99 overall) — OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU

Round 4 (pick 110 overall) — C Nick Harris, Washington

Round 5 (pick 150 overall) — EDGE Jonathan Garvin, Miami

Round 6 (pick 183 overall) — RB Mike Warren, Cincinnati

Round 7 (pick 218 overall) — EDGE D.J. Wonnum, South Carolina

Round 7 (pick 238 overall) — WR Lawrence Cager, Georgia

Round 7 (pick 247 overall) — CB John Reid, Penn State

Round 7 (pick 255 overall) — OT Victor Johnson, Appalachian State
Sign me the F up  
Saos1n : 3/31/2020 5:30 pm : link
Yes sir!
Would love the Cager pick...  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/31/2020 5:30 pm : link
The Kid have a big heart!! Go watch the UGA/FLA game where he dominated. He’s guy great size too!
RE: Thats idiotic  
Diver_Down : 3/31/2020 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14855489 Chip said:
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Does DJ make it through the season.


What makes you think he would? He didn't last year even with the late start. He took 38 sacks in 12 starts. We were spoiled with an ironman in Eli. Daniel is no Eli.
I dont see  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/31/2020 5:48 pm : link
McKinney lasting til the 2nd round
Listen I like McKinney but...  
Torrag : 3/31/2020 5:49 pm : link
he's the same role as Peppers. He isn't a FS. We aren't picking him.
RE: Thats idiotic  
section125 : 3/31/2020 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14855489 Chip said:
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Does DJ make it through the season.


Why is it idiotic? Frankly it is very good. Guarantee Judge and Garrett do a better job protecting Jones than Shurmur did even with almost the same line.

I am open to whatever they do. They could go full oline in this draft or full defense. There are so many needs that none is completely correct nor completely wrong.
If their franchise is Jones,  
Silver Spoon : 3/31/2020 5:55 pm : link
anything but some type of offensive linemen in the first is criminal. They could easily select guard, center, tackle; they all blow.
"Guarantee better job protecting Jones than Shurmur..almost same line"  
Torrag : 3/31/2020 5:58 pm : link
Guarantee? Really? How you going to do that? The players aren't good. Solder has regressed two seasons in a row you think he's going to suddenly improve? We have no starting OC on the roster unless you count Pulley. Fleming is a backup.

Guarantee? omfg.
We need the OT  
MeadowlandsMike : 3/31/2020 6:04 pm : link
Didn't get the high level starter in FA. Gates may be a solution but Fleming is a swing tackle/back up plan.

Waiting until late round 3 on a gamble pick? No way.

Jeremiah on McKinney who I could see round 2 provided OT round 1 if he somehow dropped:

McKinney was an instinctive safety for the Tide and he also spent some time playing nickel linebacker. When aligned deep, he is fluid in his movement and he's quick to key/read and drive on the football. His range is excellent. While he can effectively locate the ball, he will occasionally lose a 50/50 battle down the field. He is a dependable wrap/drag tackler. He has a very good feel as a blitzer, displaying timing and burst. Overall, McKinney is an intelligent, versatile defender and he should be very effective in multiple roles.

RE:  
Amtoft : 3/31/2020 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14855530 Torrag said:
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Guarantee? Really? How you going to do that? The players aren't good. Solder has regressed two seasons in a row you think he's going to suddenly improve? We have no starting OC on the roster unless you count Pulley. Fleming is a backup.

Guarantee? omfg.


Guaranteed is a bit ridiculous, but I do question our coaches when not only did Solder play get worse and Hernandez play got worse, but even Zeitler wasn't as good last year. That isn't a good trend. I would think there is a good chance that Solder, Hernandez and Zeitler all play better, but is that really saying much. Plus that are all short term and you need a Center and RT. I love Simmons, but I would be happy with an OT in round one especially if we have a small trade down. Plus if we don't go OT in round 1 then we can't wait until the 3rd and 4th round to address our line!
It’s not like shitty OL play was a one year phenomenon  
Reb8thVA : 3/31/2020 6:48 pm : link
It’s going on now for 7 -8 years.

Three words

David Carr Syndrome
The only pick I like is Harris in the 4th  
PatersonPlank : 3/31/2020 6:50 pm : link
and he likely won't be there. We need a starting OT from somewhere.
That’s a shit mock  
The_Boss : 3/31/2020 6:54 pm : link
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Round 3 Offensive Tackle...haha  
LBH15 : 3/31/2020 7:01 pm : link
That’s really putting your money where your hog mollie mouth is...adding a backup swing guy in free agency and picking the 15th rated tackle in draft.

Just punt on third and long.
RE: Thats idiotic  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/31/2020 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14855489 Chip said:
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Does DJ make it through the season.


You guys put a lot of faith in rookies.
I mean, I like it in the abstract, but I don't see...  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/31/2020 7:05 pm : link
...how a team can draft a RB at #2 overall and a QB #6 overall the next year and then NOT draft one of the 2 stud OL in this draft.
I want Simmons then in round 2  
Rjanyg : 3/31/2020 7:14 pm : link
Ezra Cleveland. Jumbo Elliott 2.0
Now this  
tyrik13 : 3/31/2020 7:16 pm : link
Is a good mock. Don’t listen to these nay sayers!! I’m down for an OT in the 3rd, to me OT isn’t a big a need as people making it out to be. Plus the best LT is in next years class anyway
RE: RE: Thats idiotic  
LBH15 : 3/31/2020 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14855588 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 14855489 Chip said:


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Does DJ make it through the season.



You guys put a lot of faith in rookies.


Who will ultimately become veterans. If you think this pick is about locking down OT for just the 2020 playoff run that’s amusing.

How much faith do you have in Solder and Fleming doing the job adequately.
Like the first two picks  
jeff57 : 3/31/2020 7:18 pm : link
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clickbait  
BigBlueCane : 3/31/2020 7:20 pm : link
mock drafts have begun.
Result of this draft: 4-12  
BillT : 3/31/2020 7:30 pm : link
Why? Leaves us with a likely worse OL than last year and the predictable result of that.
RE: The Giants have to go OT  
TommyWiseau : 3/31/2020 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14855492 johnnyb said:
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in the first round. This has been a glaring need for years. Safety in the second round is fair, although I double down on the OL and go Center in second round.

Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.


They don't have to do anything. They need to draft the BPA. We need talent accross the board.
I wanted 3 OL  
Carl in CT : 3/31/2020 9:08 pm : link
With our first 3 picks. I just don’t want an OL at #4. That’s a forced pick.
Sign me up  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/31/2020 10:00 pm : link
Right now for that draft. Absolutely perfect.
Sorry not a fan  
guineaT : 3/31/2020 10:10 pm : link
The idea we'd be starting Solder/Fleming at OT makes me vomit in my mouth. Charles is a project. We have the ability to add a legit top level OT in the 1st round and that's the plan schwarzie adopts? Harris in no way fits the Giants profile at OL. A 6'1, 301 pound interior lineman? We just moved on from two undersized OC's before failing with halapio.

Just don't see this attempt having much to recommend it.
Mock drafts crack me up  
trueblueinpw : 3/31/2020 10:15 pm : link
They’re just completely ridiculous. “This guy threw some bones, and here’s the future”. Okay.
RE: Mock drafts crack me up  
OC2.0 : 3/31/2020 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14855738 trueblueinpw said:
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They’re just completely ridiculous. “This guy threw some bones, and here’s the future”. Okay.

Lemme make a suggestion. The next time you see mock draft on the thread... move the mouse to another 1 for your mental well being. No thanks needed.
Sign me up.  
larryflower37 : 4/1/2020 12:33 am : link
defense wins championships.
stop with all the lineman  
uconngiant : 4/1/2020 12:49 am : link
Yes the Giant's need at least one, but you don't push a pick because you need it. Take the BPA with the 4th pick or trade down.
RE: stop with all the lineman  
SGMen : 4/1/2020 6:39 am : link
In comment 14855770 uconngiant said:
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Yes the Giant's need at least one, but you don't push a pick because you need it. Take the BPA with the 4th pick or trade down.
I so agree! You don't take a guy like Wirfs when guys like Okudah, Young or Simmons are available at #4 possibly and you have them graded higher.

And in all honestly, who is to say the Giants don't take Tua at #4 and sit him behind Jones this year? It is highly, highly unlikely but "what if" he is their #1 rated guy despite injury? Or Hebert?? Ya just never know but BPA is the only way to draft. Period.

Round #2 you will likely see player ratings lumped and taking an OC may make sense.

Solder-Hernandez-ROOKIE OC-Zeitler-Gates (or Fleming) may not be the worst case scenario for 2020 given our limitations.

If we trade down because someone offers us a "fleece deal" well so be it.
Gates is an improvement over Remmers  
WillieYoung : 4/1/2020 9:26 am : link
Pulley is an improvement over Pio. Barkley had his best streak of games with Pulley playing center in 2018. There is no way any of the tackles are BPA at 4. Where are all the BPA guys who were in favor of pissing away the second pick of the draft on a running back?
I don't see it  
Beer Man : 4/1/2020 9:56 am : link
This draft would once again ignore the 2 major holes on the team (OL & ER) until later in the draft, and would lead to DG's ouster.
RE: Gates is an improvement over Remmers  
Beer Man : 4/1/2020 10:00 am : link
In comment 14855887 WillieYoung said:
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Pulley is an improvement over Pio. Barkley had his best streak of games with Pulley playing center in 2018. There is no way any of the tackles are BPA at 4. Where are all the BPA guys who were in favor of pissing away the second pick of the draft on a running back?
So you'd be replacing shit with warmer shit. Both the C & RT positions need reliable starters not good backups.
RE: I don't see it  
section125 : 4/1/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14855915 Beer Man said:
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This draft would once again ignore the 2 major holes on the team (OL & ER) until later in the draft, and would lead to DG's ouster.


Simmons would likely be as good as any ER except Young getting to the QB.
Hard to evaluate a draft  
Jay in Toronto : 4/1/2020 11:10 am : link
without who else was on the Board (or at least considered) at pick-time.

I know this is a deep WR class -- not sure I'd wait till Round 7 for one.
RE: The Giants have to go OT  
Jesse B : 4/1/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14855492 johnnyb said:
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in the first round. This has been a glaring need for years. Safety in the second round is fair, although I double down on the OL and go Center in second round.

Bottom line, the OL has to be dealt with in a serious way. It starts with the 4th pick.




The dirty secret in the NFL is that almost all of the offensive lines are really bad, other teams have done a much better job at scheming them though.


I mean All of the Giants starts from their "terrible" line a few years ago have gotten huge contracts to play for other teams. Flowers, Pugh, Richburg have all started every game for their new teams. It is because in THIS NFL those three are starting quality offensive linemen (which again says more about how bad OL play is across the league, not just with the Giants)

The Giants have invested a lot of resources in the OL through the draft (Pugh and Flowers were 1st round picks, Richburg a second--Free Agents going back to David Baas/Solder. It's about more than the Joe's there. Hopefully the newer scheme can manage some offensive output



The Giants have to be better at creating space and being progressive in their schematics and Eli had become a liability.

The offensive line Does definitely need to be better, but they are not the only team in that position with a poor line, but they were one of the few teams that could not sniff consistent offensive production.



The other sad thing is how little they can get to the passer from defense. They really, really need some speed and talent on defense. Is that Simmons? I don't know, but they don't have to draft OL because just drafting guys doesn't guarantee success.
Fix the OL  
Jeever : 4/1/2020 11:15 am : link
If not Draft defense only because you're going to need them all come the 4th qtr.
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Replace Mckinney with Ruiz and this Isn't Bad  
HugeS : 4/1/2020 11:59 am : link
Mckinney at 36 is the real head scratcher beside the fact he probably doesn't drop that far in the real draft. Swartz drafts a rangy Safety/LB hybrid at 4 in Simmons then basically doubles down by drafting a player who's natural position is strong safety at 36. Mckinney excels as an in the box missile blowing guys up near the line of scrimmage. He isn't bad in coverage but speed is definitely his achilles heel. He's certainly not the fast rangy guy you want playing deep middle in the NFL. So now what do you do with Peppers and Love? I feel like Swartz consulted Ross/Reece before putting together his mock.

If we're sticking with safeties unlikely to even be around at 36, Delpit at least plugs an immediate need since his natural position is free safety.
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