Defensive football is about having a sound scheme. If there is a hole in the defense any decent offense will exploit it. You can have the best athletes in the world on defense and it won't matter when one of them is out of position & not covering his assignment. Speed helps to hide mistakes, but usually it comes into play after the fact.
Every man needs to know and understand his assignments. Coaches must consolidate things and teach in a manner so that the players have only just so many options to choose from on a given play; the fewer decisions the better and that is no slight on the players.
James Bettcher didn't coach a sound unit. There was confusion from the first day to the last. What's worse is he seemed incapable of making the proper adjustments. He could've had Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Jeffrey Okudah, and 8 Isaiah Simmons out there and they still would've given up 40 points while looking like a bunch of chickens with their heads chopped off just confused, befuddled, and ready to choke each other while pointing fingers.
Sometimes a great athlete on a very good defense raises the level of the entire defense to championship quality. LT did this, Strahan did this, and JPP also did this. They made what was a good sound defense into a dominant unit. When these players took a breather it's not like their units fell to pieces.
When I look at our defense I see that we need to add some talent. We don't have anyone who has emerged as a surefire household name of the near future kinda guy. I'd love to have Chase Young. I'd love to have Okudah or Brown. But I really do like the young talent that we have at those spots as well.
Simmons is a guy that the coaches might want because he is a special talent, but I hate having a guy that is so unique that nobody can be their backup. If your scheme takes full advantage of their abilities it means that if they get hurt you have to devise a whole entirely different scheme on the spot or have one in your back pocket to start with.
If Young is there we have to take him. They might feel that way about one of the other defenders and I do understand that we don't have any great talent on that side of the ball. But, what I think is more important to me is that we build the offensive line with a Center and at least two Tackles plus get a couple of outside WRs out of this particular draft. If we get some more help at FS and ILB we should be able to field a good enough defense. We can add a special player or two on D next offseason after we see what we have and don't have. We really do need to find out if Patrick Graham's Giant Defense is at the very least going to be a sound unit moving forward.
Think Plax in 2008. This doesn't mean that I wouldn't welcome Simmons to this team. But it is something to think about. If he misses time the entire defense changes. This isn't the same if you are missing a pass rusher. You can put someone else there knowing you will not get the same production but he'll still be able to carry out his assignments. Simmons does a lot of different things but nobody will be able to replicate that.
Today I got through some games from 09-12, and I have to say I would kill for some of those defenses even on their worst days.
We have to believe that schematically the Giants will be better in 2020. I like that Gettleman has spent a ton of draft resources in the draft, and for the most part they have shown the talent why they were taken. Its time for them to be coached up and schemed right.
Today I got through some games from 09-12, and I have to say I would kill for some of those defenses even on their worst days.
We have to believe that schematically the Giants will be better in 2020. I like that Gettleman has spent a ton of draft resources in the draft, and for the most part they have shown the talent why they were taken. Its time for them to be coached up and schemed right.
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His role wasn't really unique. His talent was. I mean back then they moved him around which was unique to the game back then I suppose but not really like Simmons. Obviously LT is the far superior player. That's not the point. What the point is, is that Simmons can be asked to play MLB, OLB, S, matchup on RB, match up on TE, play the deep middle of the field, blitz, etc. He can be asked to play countless roles on the team. If he is lost the entire defense has to change and you will most likely see a drop off.
Now, Judge says we want to be multiple but that can mean different things. One way it could mean that Simmons plays all these different roles that we are multiple with him and keeps offenses guessing. Another thing could be that we play multiple types of defense with and without Simmons. So, the later would help with any adjustment of Simmons missing time. However, in the NFL time is limited so it is really tough to prepare your team for playing one scheme let along many schemes.
I'm not saying it is impossible. Just saying it is a good conversation to haven
Say want you want about the stats and wins and losses but Graham and the Dolphins stripped that team and they got better every week. He did more w a lot less than just about anyone. We adjust a few solid picks and coach up the younger kids this team will be a lot better.
On that same note I am also confident that, and this is strictly hypothetical, that given the exact same talent this coaching staff would get much better results.
Our offensive line could never establish a running game working out of 11 personnel and running the shotgun draw. Barkley is that great a player, but again we run into the problem that great players can't be replaced and the scheme itself was not sound. Ole Pat did not coach a great running game. That was all Saquon.
That is where we need some help; covering the deep middle.
I do like Golden, and I believe he should be signed if the coaches like his skillset.
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Simmons is a player that is so athletic & multi talented you have to take him, imo. If he goes out then you figure something out.
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His role wasn't really unique. His talent was. I mean back then they moved him around which was unique to the game back then I suppose but not really like Simmons. Obviously LT is the far superior player. That's not the point. What the point is, is that Simmons can be asked to play MLB, OLB, S, matchup on RB, match up on TE, play the deep middle of the field, blitz, etc. He can be asked to play countless roles on the team. If he is lost the entire defense has to change and you will most likely see a drop off.
Now, Judge says we want to be multiple but that can mean different things. One way it could mean that Simmons plays all these different roles that we are multiple with him and keeps offenses guessing. Another thing could be that we play multiple types of defense with and without Simmons. So, the later would help with any adjustment of Simmons missing time. However, in the NFL time is limited so it is really tough to prepare your team for playing one scheme let along many schemes.
I'm not saying it is impossible. Just saying it is a good conversation to haven
but with the Giants subbed in Andy Headen, there was not much of a drop off...
that defense was that well coached and that talented
If Headen had not hurt his neck, I think he really special
The defense must be sound 1st, overall. Then you inject special talents that can exploit their skill advantage. IIRC, Sy said that Simmons would basically play the same position as Peppers and to a lesser extent Love. So Peppers and Love would be the "backups" for Simmons, in a sense. But Graham will need to design his defense 1st. That base defense would change weekly to exploit the weaknesses of the opponent. I'm sure Graham has his base defense already designed. He is not waiting to see if they take Simmons, Okudah or Brown.
As with any starter, if that player loses time to injury, the rest of the players need to cover that position and the defense(in this case) would adjust. In the CAP era, you cannot have multiples at each position that would be starters elsewhere (think back to LT, Harry, Pepper, Kelley, Reasons, Banks, with Headen and Byron Jones as backups) That much LB talent will never again be on the same team at the same time, well at least for a lengthy period. No position group is allowed the luxury of starting caliber players sitting on the bench waiting on an injury.
Meaning. On another play your OLB is not on the field because Simmons is playing his spot. On another play one of your ILBs is not on the field because Simmons is playing his spot.On one play your slot corner or 4th corner will not be going in because Simmons is covering (i think is might be a rarity and would only happen due to audible).
You are not inventing a new defense because you have Simmons, you just have the ability to scheme a confusing defense because Simmons could allow players to move around and be harder to read. Simmons may give a QB audibles less of an advantage because Simmons would be the LB that goes and covers the RB when they get split out wide - wow what a concept when you have someone to do it.
I totally understand the crowd that wants the O-line to improve at all costs. While I have my reservations about at all costs, I can accept the reasoning of "I dont want a guy a cant replace because he is talented" If you think this, then you should join to draft Simmons bandwagon. We can't draft this guy at 4 - he is too talented and too hard to replace -lol
Anyway,This is not like drafting a mobile QB for your offense and changing the entire scheme. This would be closer to taking a RB or TE and having them split out wide. I doubt you think having Saquan is bad because he could play Wide receiver and is too hard to replace. You are not going to get the same abilities is SB goes down, but you are still playing offense without him. However it will not be as effective.
At some point every defense in the NFL will have a player like Simmons, they are going to be more and more common. If you want to know what your defense looks like without a player like Simmons, you just saw it last year. You cant cover the TE effectively, You get gashed by screen passes to RB, cant cover RBs split out wide without leaving a glaring hole somewhere else in your defense.
We might not draft Simmons, but trust me every team will be looking for players with his style of play including the Giants. People keep talking about needing the "Traditional MLB" or "Traditional (fill in the blank). There is nothing Traditional about what is happening the offensive side of the ball. Lamar Jackson and Patrick Maholmes are not Traditional QB, you are not going to stop them without making adjustments. This is not the times of Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, or name your mobile QB. These players have finally evolutionized to being able to read defenses and throw a good ball. Even the GIANTS drafted a more mobile QB. Every team will have a more mobile QB, Every team is going to have a pass catching TE, and every team will have a Fast LB to help counteract that.
Since those players are still quite rare, teams are currently using Safeties to cover tasks sometimes, and using linebacker other times. That does not mean that it is working or the best plan, that is just what they have in the cupboard.
I dont know how many of your are NHL fans, but this same thing has happened there. There was a time where defensemen huge slow bodies that would crush people. There were smaller puck moving defensemen back then but they were not successful due to the style of play. In today's NHL the big slow defensemen is a dinosaur and the smaller fast defensemen is all the rage and every team needs a couple of them to win games.
Change with the times, adapt, adjust, innovate, or you will left behind. You either change with the game or the game will change without you.
A GREAT SOUND DEFENSE = One that has enough talented players who can adjust and adapt during the play since the offense is controlling the decision making.
Meaning. On another play your OLB is not on the field because Simmons is playing his spot. On another play one of your ILBs is not on the field because Simmons is playing his spot.On one play your slot corner or 4th corner will not be going in because Simmons is covering (i think is might be a rarity and would only happen due to audible).
You are not inventing a new defense because you have Simmons, you just have the ability to scheme a confusing defense because Simmons could allow players to move around and be harder to read. Simmons may give a QB audibles less of an advantage because Simmons would be the LB that goes and covers the RB when they get split out wide - wow what a concept when you have someone to do it.
I totally understand the crowd that wants the O-line to improve at all costs. While I have my reservations about at all costs, I can accept the reasoning of "I dont want a guy a cant replace because he is talented" If you think this, then you should join to draft Simmons bandwagon. We can't draft this guy at 4 - he is too talented and too hard to replace -lol
Anyway,This is not like drafting a mobile QB for your offense and changing the entire scheme. This would be closer to taking a RB or TE and having them split out wide. I doubt you think having Saquan is bad because he could play Wide receiver and is too hard to replace. You are not going to get the same abilities is SB goes down, but you are still playing offense without him. However it will not be as effective.
At some point every defense in the NFL will have a player like Simmons, they are going to be more and more common. If you want to know what your defense looks like without a player like Simmons, you just saw it last year. You cant cover the TE effectively, You get gashed by screen passes to RB, cant cover RBs split out wide without leaving a glaring hole somewhere else in your defense.
We might not draft Simmons, but trust me every team will be looking for players with his style of play including the Giants. People keep talking about needing the "Traditional MLB" or "Traditional (fill in the blank). There is nothing Traditional about what is happening the offensive side of the ball. Lamar Jackson and Patrick Maholmes are not Traditional QB, you are not going to stop them without making adjustments. This is not the times of Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, or name your mobile QB. These players have finally evolutionized to being able to read defenses and throw a good ball. Even the GIANTS drafted a more mobile QB. Every team will have a more mobile QB, Every team is going to have a pass catching TE, and every team will have a Fast LB to help counteract that.
Since those players are still quite rare, teams are currently using Safeties to cover tasks sometimes, and using linebacker other times. That does not mean that it is working or the best plan, that is just what they have in the cupboard.
I dont know how many of your are NHL fans, but this same thing has happened there. There was a time where defensemen huge slow bodies that would crush people. There were smaller puck moving defensemen back then but they were not successful due to the style of play. In today's NHL the big slow defensemen is a dinosaur and the smaller fast defensemen is all the rage and every team needs a couple of them to win games.
Change with the times, adapt, adjust, innovate, or you will left behind. You either change with the game or the game will change without you.
A GREAT SOUND DEFENSE = One that has enough talented players who can adjust and adapt during the play since the offense is controlling the decision making.
+1 Great post!
Meaning. On another play your OLB is not on the field because Simmons is playing his spot. On another play one of your ILBs is not on the field because Simmons is playing his spot.On one play your slot corner or 4th corner will not be going in because Simmons is covering (i think is might be a rarity and would only happen due to audible).
You are not inventing a new defense because you have Simmons, you just have the ability to scheme a confusing defense because Simmons could allow players to move around and be harder to read. Simmons may give a QB audibles less of an advantage because Simmons would be the LB that goes and covers the RB when they get split out wide - wow what a concept when you have someone to do it.
I totally understand the crowd that wants the O-line to improve at all costs. While I have my reservations about at all costs, I can accept the reasoning of "I dont want a guy a cant replace because he is talented" If you think this, then you should join to draft Simmons bandwagon. We can't draft this guy at 4 - he is too talented and too hard to replace -lol
Anyway,This is not like drafting a mobile QB for your offense and changing the entire scheme. This would be closer to taking a RB or TE and having them split out wide. I doubt you think having Saquan is bad because he could play Wide receiver and is too hard to replace. You are not going to get the same abilities is SB goes down, but you are still playing offense without him. However it will not be as effective.
At some point every defense in the NFL will have a player like Simmons, they are going to be more and more common. If you want to know what your defense looks like without a player like Simmons, you just saw it last year. You cant cover the TE effectively, You get gashed by screen passes to RB, cant cover RBs split out wide without leaving a glaring hole somewhere else in your defense.
We might not draft Simmons, but trust me every team will be looking for players with his style of play including the Giants. People keep talking about needing the "Traditional MLB" or "Traditional (fill in the blank). There is nothing Traditional about what is happening the offensive side of the ball. Lamar Jackson and Patrick Maholmes are not Traditional QB, you are not going to stop them without making adjustments. This is not the times of Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, or name your mobile QB. These players have finally evolutionized to being able to read defenses and throw a good ball. Even the GIANTS drafted a more mobile QB. Every team will have a more mobile QB, Every team is going to have a pass catching TE, and every team will have a Fast LB to help counteract that.
Since those players are still quite rare, teams are currently using Safeties to cover tasks sometimes, and using linebacker other times. That does not mean that it is working or the best plan, that is just what they have in the cupboard.
I dont know how many of your are NHL fans, but this same thing has happened there. There was a time where defensemen huge slow bodies that would crush people. There were smaller puck moving defensemen back then but they were not successful due to the style of play. In today's NHL the big slow defensemen is a dinosaur and the smaller fast defensemen is all the rage and every team needs a couple of them to win games.
Change with the times, adapt, adjust, innovate, or you will left behind. You either change with the game or the game will change without you.
A GREAT SOUND DEFENSE = One that has enough talented players who can adjust and adapt during the play since the offense is controlling the decision making.
Yep, you and I agree...
While I agree with your post regarding players, I dont think that Simmons is as Dynamic as some people think. He doesnt have the football instincts or the killer instinct of a football player. He doesnt diagnose and attack plays or scare anyone with Physicality. He plays like a a CB that will make a tackle but thats not what he really wants to do. To me thats not a top flight player. Not a sure fire cant miss player that changes your D.
For a guy with his measurables he plays much smaller. One minute he will look like an all pro and the next he will get blown away with a block. If I were coaching against him I would run right at him in the 1st quarter and blow him up a few times. Guys that dont want to tackle can easily get mentally taken out of a game imo. I am not saying he wont be a good NFL player, but I think people are thinking he is all of the sudden going to change the game. He is not that player, he is not tough enough to do that. He is not going through a wall for anyone. He will be a good coverage LB / safety in the league and have some great moments and completely disappear in others.
At 4 I want a more complete player. I would much rather get an OT that will improve the whole Offense than a coverage LB who will be a liability in the run game.
If you have a special talent on offense it's not huge problem if the player misses time because of the fact that the offense dictates for the most part. On defense it does leave you in a tough spot, No reason to avoid special talent, but an observation concerning how that talent can affect a team when suddenly unavailable.
I don't consider the modern day QB to be a product of evolution. That really is a stretch. We 've seen athletes like Simmons over the years and instead of revolutionizing the game they usually just get labeled as a tweener with no true position. Anyone who thinks Simmons can consistently rush the passer and play the run as either an OLB or ILB is going to be sadly disappointed. He's no Brian Urlacher. I believe that Simmons is an old school Strong Safety in the David Fulcher/Steve Atwater mold. He should drop the added weight and work on his hip flexibility. He is no LB.
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I dont get why this is so hard for people to understand. You are playing the same schemes. The difference is Simmons is not always replacing the same player on the field in that scheme.
While I agree with your post regarding players, I dont think that Simmons is as Dynamic as some people think. He doesnt have the football instincts or the killer instinct of a football player. He doesnt diagnose and attack plays or scare anyone with Physicality. He plays like a a CB that will make a tackle but thats not what he really wants to do. To me thats not a top flight player. Not a sure fire cant miss player that changes your D.
For a guy with his measurables he plays much smaller. One minute he will look like an all pro and the next he will get blown away with a block. If I were coaching against him I would run right at him in the 1st quarter and blow him up a few times. Guys that dont want to tackle can easily get mentally taken out of a game imo. I am not saying he wont be a good NFL player, but I think people are thinking he is all of the sudden going to change the game. He is not that player, he is not tough enough to do that. He is not going through a wall for anyone. He will be a good coverage LB / safety in the league and have some great moments and completely disappear in others.
At 4 I want a more complete player. I would much rather get an OT that will improve the whole Offense than a coverage LB who will be a liability in the run game.
I do not disagree with your way of thinking. This the Giants call on their expertise. If they don't think Simmons can do certain things, then they should not draft him. Same goes for the Tackles - they think a guy can be a left tackle in the NFL they should not draft him at 4 either and trade down and grab one of them as a right tackle.
This post was under the discussion stating even if Simmons was was great they still would not draft him. That is where I disagree, if you think a player is so talented that he would be impossible to replace you should be drafting that player. That means he is a great player.
IF he is that player or not that player is surely a debate. The reality could be somewhere in the middle. Maybe he is not as great as some think, and maybe is better than other think. Personally I think he is better than you give him credit for but I am not going to bet my life on his greatness either - the draft is a crapshoot sometimes. I think your analyses if flawed that he doesnt know how to diagnose a play and attack. He did make a lot of plays in college - that is fact. He did play multiple positions in college and was successful - that is a fact. I have watched him play before but let just say I didnt. You think its possible for someone to produce that much in college from multiple positions without having the ability to diagnose and attack? Was he just lucky and accidentally trip 104 people, 16 of them behind the line of scrimmage and 8 sacks. Stats are not everything and neither is speed - He might be the vicious tackler you would prefer but you cant say he was avoiding contact.
Can he produce at a high level in the NFL - that is the ultimate question that no one will know for sure right now - that is question for every player in the draft.
Odds also play in the favor that one these highly touted lineman are going to be a compete disaster. Even in drafts like 2013 where multiple tackles get drafted - Someone will be great, Someone will be a guard, Someone will out of the league in three years. That I almost positive on because I have a hard time believe there are coincidentally 5 all pro tackles coming out of this draft. SO the Giants better pick the right one if they go O-line or we are hosed. I have
While I agree with your post regarding players, I dont think that Simmons is as Dynamic as some people think. He doesnt have the football instincts or the killer instinct of a football player. He doesnt diagnose and attack plays or scare anyone with Physicality. He plays like a a CB that will make a tackle but thats not what he really wants to do. To me thats not a top flight player. Not a sure fire cant miss player that changes your D.
At 4 I want a more complete player. I would much rather get an OT that will improve the whole Offense than a coverage LB who will be a liability in the run game.
Keep telling yourself that he is not a dynamic player. When people decide that they want a different position in the draft they will ignore the scouting reports that don't support their position or zero in on negatives.
We can look at the OT reports and do the same especially with Becton and Wirfs and to some extent Wills.
Of course, no one is bulletproof. No player is without warts. To my limited knowledge Simmons has never been out of the top ten and rarely out of the top 5 in ratings by the major scouting reports. Why is that? Could he fall flat on his face? Of course, as could Burrow. There were times when Young looked mundane.
Yes, Simmons appears to be a tweener right now - half safety, half LB, but he is a superior talent. IIRC, Sy said he would have been the top safety had he rated him as a safety. But he rated him as a LB because he rated higher there. We do not know if he has a LB mentality. But what we also do not know is if he has been taught how to shed blocks since at safety, he is not inside with the big boys all game.
I am not a strictly Simmons person. I've said this for weeks. I could go both ways and I can support either defense or offense 1st. I'm just saying don't bad mouth a player like Simmons because you support going offense 1st. Heck, there is a huge debate about the tackles. Wirfs appears the safest because if he can't play NFL tackle he can definitely play guard. Is Wills a product of Alabama's success? Will Becton be able to drop weight to get quicker and improve his technique?
I am looking forward to Sy's reports on OTs and ILBs.
The ones who like Simmons are saying his is an "enforcer" they are saying quite the opposite. Having a linebacker who covers the middle of the filed and a MLB are not the same thing because the people who like Simmons are not playing a 4-3 as a base and with our personnel I would probably only use that package on short yardage obvious run downs. Most of the league ran the ball on First down around 30% of the time. So that whole not a three down linebacker argument is also kind of silly to me.
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While I agree with your post regarding players, I dont think that Simmons is as Dynamic as some people think. He doesnt have the football instincts or the killer instinct of a football player. He doesnt diagnose and attack plays or scare anyone with Physicality. He plays like a a CB that will make a tackle but thats not what he really wants to do. To me thats not a top flight player. Not a sure fire cant miss player that changes your D.
At 4 I want a more complete player. I would much rather get an OT that will improve the whole Offense than a coverage LB who will be a liability in the run game.
Keep telling yourself that he is not a dynamic player. When people decide that they want a different position in the draft they will ignore the scouting reports that don't support their position or zero in on negatives.
We can look at the OT reports and do the same especially with Becton and Wirfs and to some extent Wills.
Of course, no one is bulletproof. No player is without warts. To my limited knowledge Simmons has never been out of the top ten and rarely out of the top 5 in ratings by the major scouting reports. Why is that? Could he fall flat on his face? Of course, as could Burrow. There were times when Young looked mundane.
Yes, Simmons appears to be a tweener right now - half safety, half LB, but he is a superior talent. IIRC, Sy said he would have been the top safety had he rated him as a safety. But he rated him as a LB because he rated higher there. We do not know if he has a LB mentality. But what we also do not know is if he has been taught how to shed blocks since at safety, he is not inside with the big boys all game.
I am not a strictly Simmons person. I've said this for weeks. I could go both ways and I can support either defense or offense 1st. I'm just saying don't bad mouth a player like Simmons because you support going offense 1st. Heck, there is a huge debate about the tackles. Wirfs appears the safest because if he can't play NFL tackle he can definitely play guard. Is Wills a product of Alabama's success? Will Becton be able to drop weight to get quicker and improve his technique?
I am looking forward to Sy's reports on OTs and ILBs.
You and I are definitely on the same page. Its funny how everyone used to want to build championships with defense but want to crap potentially dynamic defensive players. It makes no sense. There are pros and cons to every player and the scouts have to do their job and get the pick right. We need help on both sides of the ball. But my principle belief is I rather have a great defense and a suitable offense vs having a high flying offense and ok defense. If both options are Hall of Famers - I would have to pick the defender based on my belief structure. If both options are busts - you are screwed. They are both a need and not a luxury. You need scout properly and pick the rarer commodity.
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While I agree with your post regarding players, I dont think that Simmons is as Dynamic as some people think. He doesnt have the football instincts or the killer instinct of a football player. He doesnt diagnose and attack plays or scare anyone with Physicality. He plays like a a CB that will make a tackle but thats not what he really wants to do. To me thats not a top flight player. Not a sure fire cant miss player that changes your D.
At 4 I want a more complete player. I would much rather get an OT that will improve the whole Offense than a coverage LB who will be a liability in the run game.
Keep telling yourself that he is not a dynamic player. When people decide that they want a different position in the draft they will ignore the scouting reports that don't support their position or zero in on negatives.
We can look at the OT reports and do the same especially with Becton and Wirfs and to some extent Wills.
Of course, no one is bulletproof. No player is without warts. To my limited knowledge Simmons has never been out of the top ten and rarely out of the top 5 in ratings by the major scouting reports. Why is that? Could he fall flat on his face? Of course, as could Burrow. There were times when Young looked mundane.
Yes, Simmons appears to be a tweener right now - half safety, half LB, but he is a superior talent. IIRC, Sy said he would have been the top safety had he rated him as a safety. But he rated him as a LB because he rated higher there. We do not know if he has a LB mentality. But what we also do not know is if he has been taught how to shed blocks since at safety, he is not inside with the big boys all game.
I am not a strictly Simmons person. I've said this for weeks. I could go both ways and I can support either defense or offense 1st. I'm just saying don't bad mouth a player like Simmons because you support going offense 1st. Heck, there is a huge debate about the tackles. Wirfs appears the safest because if he can't play NFL tackle he can definitely play guard. Is Wills a product of Alabama's success? Will Becton be able to drop weight to get quicker and improve his technique?
I am looking forward to Sy's reports on OTs and ILBs.
I am not pushing him down because I want an OT. I think he will be a good player just not a game changer the way many view him. Guys who change the game in the LB and DL are usually very physical players. They attack, they go through people, go around and do whatever to get to the ball carrier. Lets say that Osi and Strahan were in the same draft, who would you rather have had? Strahan is the more complete and better player but that doesnt mean that Osi wasnt a good player.
I think Simmons will be an Osi (not comparing the positions or play style) type of player in that he will be very good, just not a guy that you would take at 4. If the Giants were at 15 I would be all over him. I think he will grade out similarly to about 10-12 other players including some of the OTs. If an OT grades out similarly you have to take the OT for number of reasons. It doesnt matter if its left or right.
I have watched Simmons play full games and I have watched the highlights. I don't see a physical player. One common thing you see with most of the great players is that they are very physical. Judge has stated he wants a tough physical team. I dont see that in Simmons. His big plays are run and chase plays and most are when he is unblocked. you rarely see him use his physicality to bust up plays. When he has to diagnose plays, he plays slow until he sees an open lane where he can chase down. He is not a between the tackles type of player. thats what I see when I watch him and to me thats not a player that I want at 4. i could be wrong and if the Giants take him I hope I am because I love defense.
Which D allowed fewer points 86 or 90?