BBI Draft Chat with Great Blue North Draft Report (1-3:30PM)

Colin and Paul

So true. I have fun with them. It's why I get so into it. Obviously I hope and expect that I'm right. Haha.

Colin take care and be safe.

Gotta run, thanks for having me and best of luck to the Giants. Before the AFL and Patriots gave me a true home team in the '60's I was a Giants fan; die hard. I remember when they were the best team, with the best players in the late '50s, early 60's, just like Chris Schenkel told me they were every TV broadcast.

In comment 14856317 Colin@gbn said:

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Rudy et al: Just to follow up on the last post, Detroit becomes the key for the Giants if they don't trade out for a QB. We have heard they really like Brown and really want a CB. But we keep hearing from across the league that Simmons is even starting to push Young for the top non-QB grade so if the Lions think BPA ... I know there are a lot of people worried about Simmons because he will never be a physical run defender. But that's old school. The guy is a good enough run defender who's game is all about beating the OL to the point of attack anyway. But he's just so good in coverage. I mean we are talking a MLB who played multiple snaps in college covering WRs! The other thing with Simmons is that in this day and age with every team running 3-WR sets 65-70% of the time, your base defense is really a 4-2 and you need guys that can run because they are being asked to cover so much ground. And the one thing Simmons can do is run to the ball!!

Music to my ears. Lets just hope the Lions like Brown or Okudah more.

Great information even if it does make me feel like this is not a great draft class only average after our first pick.

We need O-line but we also need a defensive playmaker. We are most likely only going to get one or the other from reading this conversation.

In comment 14856400 Torrag said:

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Unfortunately from reading your opening statement to your premise on the strengths and weaknesses to your valuation of many players and positions and the Giants approach we don't agree on much. For me the OT's are the greatest strength of this Draft. The best class in many years with two Top 5 graded prospects, a Top 10, 4 in the Top 15 and 6 or 7 total in Round 1. The Giants would be borderline negligent given their weakness at the position if they attempted to deal with the problem outside of Round 1 given the talent available. Factor in the investment in and support for their QB and RB and it's almost a no brainer that OT will be the pick. Too many variables are aligning to expect otherwise. If the franchise hasn't learned anything from wasting the second half of Eli's career and watching Jones get harried last season(Giants among the worst in the NFL in allowing pressure and hits), then there is little hope for the future.

I couldn't agree more. Solder is barely holding on at LT. Who is our starting LT in 2021? To not draft a top OT prospect when you are position do so hurts this team for a number of years.

A nice break in the day to banter Giants draft strategy

In comment 14856422 Colin@gbn said:

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Torrag: It's why its great fun to have these debates and why they matter not because the Giants will ultimately decide without consulting either of us on the 23rd. I leave with a story about a conversation I had with a guy a couple of years back. We have been blessed as Giants fans to have three championship runs over my lifetime. In the late 1950s and early 1960s they made 5 of 6 NFL championship games with a team built on a ferocious defense and a state of the art (for the day) passing attack. In the 1980s we won two Super Bowls driven by one of the NFL's great defenses. Then we won the 7/11 championship teams that had Eli playing at a elite level throwing to talented WR groups (Plax, Amani and Steve Smith in 07 and Nicks, Cruz and Manningahm in 11) and with the NASCAR pass rush hitting on all cylinders!! Now the trick is to try and get back to that level one more time. Hey I have an idea; lets fix the offensive line!!

Each of those championship defenses developed a unique characteristic, as you mentioned.

First there was the innovation of the MLB with Sam Huff, then the 3-4 defense which became multiple because of LT, then the 3-safety alignment and NASCAR package. This team needs a great defense and Simmons may be just the player to provide a unique dimension.

In comment 14856341 Colin@gbn said:

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Don't want to break anybodies heart here and it is still very possible that the Giants address the OL at #4 or 36 but it is also very possible that at least for 2020 they pretty much live with what they have on the OL especially at OT. Solder is not going anywhere at LT in the short term and Fleming and Gates may do at RT. I expect the Giants would look to add a developmental OT on the third day. OT will be a big need next year and it is possible given the limited resources they have left for 2020 they look elsewhere. Again I stress POSSIBLE because we just don't k now what they are actually thinking.

This is what I’ve been hearing as well. They’d love to improve the o-line but from everything they are seeing they’d be passing up on better players at other needed spots.

In comment 14856374 AcidTest said:

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is the best OL class in years, and as Colin notes, they still all have flaws. OL play has declined as college teams move to spread offenses. The ball comes out very quickly. Edge rushers are also much faster than they were even 10 years ago. It's a bad combination.

Conversation I had with my buddy that worked as a scout and is currently working with the NFL. He says that days of the “can’t miss Left tackle” are over. Says interior guys translate a lot better “which is why a guards are drafted so high now. Brandon Scherff, Quenton Nelson, and why a guy like Wirfs is seen more valuable than a guy like Wills because if Wirfs struggles at OT, at worst you have a good starting Guard. If Wills struggles you can’t move him inside. He isn’t strong enough.”

Edge rushers are too good nowadays. They are faster, stronger, and longer than ever before and that the talent gap between edge rushers vs Protectors is only growing.

In comment 14856425 Ira said:

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I entered this too late yesterday. I hope you can answer it today. Thanks for doing this.