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| The Pick: LB Isaiah Simmons, Clemson This isn't a need pick for general manager Dave Gettleman, but will he be able to resist the most rare athlete the linebacker position has seen since...well, since ever? Isaiah Simmons isn't like anything we've seen before. At 6'4", 238 pounds, he ran the 40-yard dash faster than most wide receivers at 4.39 seconds. Clemon utilized Simmons at virtually every position on defense, often lining him up at safety, linebacker, nickel linebacker, edge-rusher and even in man coverage at cornerback against LSU. He isn't a conventional football player you assign a position to but rather a positionless weapon defensive coordinators can deploy based on the matchup. Simmons is an eraser, and for that, he's worthy of a top-five selection. |
I don't agree with it either, but I guess that his logic is that Simmons is a mlb and we have Martinez and Connelly there.
I'd say the same thing about Jeff Okudah, Derrick Brown, and K'lavon Chaisson (not to mention Chase Young), all of whom carry higher grades at NFL.com than their highest-graded OT, Jedrick Wills.
However, if the Giants were to eschew drafting their highest-graded OT at #4, and instead opted to draft a defender, they run the risk of not being able to make any significant upgrades to their offensive line in this draft. If drafting the BPA at #4 is their primary concern, without regard for need or positional value, and that BPA is a defender, who's to say it won't be a defender at #36, too? Or a WR, or CB, or DE? Who's to say we won't see a repeat of last year's draft, when they didn't draft an OT until the 7th round, and didn't bother to draft an OC at all?
The Giants have invested serious draft capital in a RB and a QB in two successive drafts. Isn't it time they invested comparable draft capital in their offensive line, too? Can they afford to subject their two core offensive players to sub-par O-Line play for another year? Can they also afford to put off preparing for "life after Solder" for another year?
I understand that the draft is not just about the current year. It should be about future years, too. But it seems to me that the Giants' future revolves around Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley, not just for this year, but for - hopefully - many years to come. In my view, the best way to insure a bright future for both of them is to stock up on players who make their lives easier, with premium talent across the board.
I guess I don’t get the whole false dichotomy of need vs. BPA pick. Simmons would be both, as sometimes players are.
Wasn’t Daniel Jones a need/value pick last year? I’d say so, so I’m not sure why folks think Gettleman wouldn’t do that again. Sure, you can point to Saquan Barkley as not necessarily being a need, but I’d argue that he was. Not just because we needed a playmaker, but because we needed a new leader in the lockerroom, a true leader who could be the face of the franchise and part of the nucleus moving forward.
So I’m betting we take OL first. You have a few who are highly rated and that meets a big need for us. Gettleman has to pull the trigger here. For our second pick, I wouldn’t be surprised if we trade back up (or stay put) and take Zack Baun—or the best defensive player available. Seems to me that’s the plan and it’s the right one.
With an offense ranked 18th in the NFL last year - and that kept blowouts closer than they should've been - I think we'll draft a Center in the second round: Ruiz or Cushenberry.
The Giants have spent a lot of money and draft capital on the offensive line Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, and you could include Flowers, and they have spent disproportionately more on the offense in general.
At the start of free agency the Giants had spent the least of any team on their defense payroll.
They have increased with Bradford, Martinez, and Williams, but they are still offense centric.
If the Giants use their top two picks on the OL they will be increasing the CAP allocation discrepancy.
This is not the way to build a team.
If the Giants follow the New England philosophy they will balance their expenditures. The Pats have succeeded building an OL while balancing their resources.
At some point the Giants must rebuild the defense and this is a good year to do it. They cannot be a championship team without a great defense.
Young, Simmons, Okudah and Brown are very highly thought of. With Young and Simmons being difference makers.
There are some OL who the Giants can pick up in rounds 2-5 who they can groom to be starters.
There is another note about drafting OL in the first round. There is a relatively high bust rate. There are (4) premium OL, but, there is no consensus as to the who the best is. Statistically (2) of the top (4) will likely be average linemen. I like Wills but I hear that there are many who prefer Wirfs, Thomas, or Becton.
If I am taking a chance I would rather take a chance on greatness and the best player available regardless of position.
But if there is a tie I go for the defensive player.
In the last two drafts, the Giants spent a 2nd round pick on a Guard (Hernandez) and a 7th round pick on an OT (George AA). That's hardly a lot of draft capital. The Flowers pick was five years ago, but okay.
In those same two drafts, the Giants spent a 1st round pick on a DT (Lawrence), and a CB (Baker) plus the cost of trading up for him; two 3rd round picks on LB's (Carter, Ximines), one on a DT (Hill) and one on a CB (Beal); a 4th round pick on a CB/S (Love), two 5th round picks on a LB (Connelly) and a DT/(McIntosh), and a 6th on a CB (Ballantine). In addition, they also spent a 3rd round pick (plus a 4th or 5th next year) to acquire Leonard Williams.
With the obvious exceptions of 1st round picks on Barkley and Jones (plus a 4th round pick on Lauletta, and 5th round pick on Slayton), clearly the bulk of their draft capital has been spent on their defense, as was the bulk of their free agent cash this year.
If that is the case then an OT selection at #4 is the best decision. But whether that is true or not is certainly not a decided point.
The Giants need defense just as badly as OL help
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Do you really want to go there?
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to play Right Tackle and Center too.
The Giants need defense just as badly as OL help
They need help almost everywhere. But imv investment on the OL makes the most sense at #4.
Oh, and not to mention they have openings right now at Right Tackle & Center, and Left Tackle will be open next year so...
that takes pressure off Dimes
remember they want to run the ball more, so keeping scores down is important
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Hey, Dude. I've been working on a new theme for the draft, but I don't know if I can top last year's DC comics theme.
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to play Right Tackle and Center too.
The Giants need defense just as badly as OL help
They need help almost everywhere. But imv investment on the OL makes the most sense at #4.
Oh, and not to mention they have openings right now at Right Tackle & Center, and Left Tackle will be open next year so...
I'm not 100% convinced Simmons will be the huge impact that others predict. I'm just against drafting for position, especially with as many holes as this team has.
As for the OTs, I'm not sure Wirfs is a tackle. Becton is risky. I like Wills, but I think DG would lean toward the other 2.
They have to get this draft very right.
Things pretty quiet up there? You're far from the viral crowd, hopefully, if you are way up there now.
I would expect nothing less. And I agree with you on the hyperbole. By definition, each draft can't have a "generational talent" as they all seem to now. It's a lazy way to make a point.
I am hoping the pick is an OT because I trust Colombo, Garret and Judge if they like one of the tackles that much. But if they pass on one at #4, I am going to try to view it through the lense of them not being convinced any one of them was a solid starter for years to come.
Historically the Giants have sucked at identifying and/or coaching up Oline talent. I am hoping that is changing now.
They have to get this draft very right.
Things pretty quiet up there? You're far from the viral crowd, hopefully, if you are way up there now.
Thanks for the concern. The number of cases up here is low for the time being. Low population density but most people seem to be rightfully cautious anyhow.
Hang in there. Hope you are well.
LGG, thanks, trying to hang in, hoping our daughter is taking precautions where she lives
Other than Acid Test's comment on Lewis, nothing? No interest? No info? Total washout?
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I have little doubt that Isaiah Simmons would make our defense better.
I'd say the same thing about Jeff Okudah, Derrick Brown, and K'lavon Chaisson (not to mention Chase Young), all of whom carry higher grades at NFL.com than their highest-graded OT, Jedrick Wills.
However, if the Giants were to eschew drafting their highest-graded OT at #4, and instead opted to draft a defender, they run the risk of not being able to make any significant upgrades to their offensive line in this draft. If drafting the BPA at #4 is their primary concern, without regard for need or positional value, and that BPA is a defender, who's to say it won't be a defender at #36, too? Or a WR, or CB, or DE? Who's to say we won't see a repeat of last year's draft, when they didn't draft an OT until the 7th round, and didn't bother to draft an OC at all?
The Giants have invested serious draft capital in a RB and a QB in two successive drafts. Isn't it time they invested comparable draft capital in their offensive line, too? Can they afford to subject their two core offensive players to sub-par O-Line play for another year? Can they also afford to put off preparing for "life after Solder" for another year?
I understand that the draft is not just about the current year. It should be about future years, too. But it seems to me that the Giants' future revolves around Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley, not just for this year, but for - hopefully - many years to come. In my view, the best way to insure a bright future for both of them is to stock up on players who make their lives easier, with premium talent across the board.
Your right Klaatu imo they’re going OT all the way , DG might have given it away saying you can’t complete passes lying on your back