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Re possible 2-3 rd Centers, who iyo, would be most pro ready

Big Blue '56 : 4/2/2020 6:57 am
Rosenblatt from NJ.com’s list:

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“Some intriguing center options in that Round 2-3 range: Michigan’s Cesar Ruiz, LSU’s Lloyd Cushenberry, Washington’s Nick Harris, Wisconsin’s Tyler Biadasz and Temple’s Matt Hennessy and Fresno State’s Netane Muti.”



Are there others not listed that you’re highon?
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The present Giants’ staff would know far more than I do,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/2/2020 7:35 am : link
but as a fan, not enthralled with a Pulley or Pio as our potential starter at C
Considering  
UGADawgs7 : 4/2/2020 8:01 am : link
I’ve heard a few podcasts mention Hennessy can very well be the next Jason Kelce, as well as Ruiz projecting more as an NFL Guard, kind of hope it is Hennessy.
RE: The present Giants’ staff would know far more than I do,  
Victor in CT : 4/2/2020 8:02 am : link
In comment 14856941 Big Blue '56 said:
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but as a fan, not enthralled with a Pulley or Pio as our potential starter at C


Totally agree. I don't care what OT they get. If they dont get a real C, the line will still suck. I thin C is the undervalued position in football.
Since our picks  
Bones : 4/2/2020 8:22 am : link
Are 36 and 99, it might be more appropriate to ask what 1st or 4th rd centers would be most pro ready. I’m beginning to think it is more likely that we trade down with our 2nd rd pick then our 1st. I think the Sweet part of this draft is mid 2nd to mid 3rd round.
RE: Since our picks  
Big Blue '56 : 4/2/2020 8:26 am : link
In comment 14856982 Bones said:
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Are 36 and 99, it might be more appropriate to ask what 1st or 4th rd centers would be most pro ready. I’m beginning to think it is more likely that we trade down with our 2nd rd pick then our 1st. I think the Sweet part of this draft is mid 2nd to mid 3rd round.


That’s fair, unless you believe this guy could anchor and excel for 10+ years and don’t want to risk anyone snatching him up before you do.
Lots of people here are praying for an OT in this draft.  
George : 4/2/2020 8:44 am : link
But Center is our greatest need on the OL. I can see DG going for Ruiz, Cushenberry or even Badass in the 2nd. I can also see him being his old self and trading up into the teens of the 3rd round to grab Henessey.
I want to trade down in 1st rd and.accumulate 2nd rd picks  
George from PA : 4/2/2020 8:56 am : link
Solid centers, solid FS and X WRs....

Giants can find 3 starters in 2nd RD if they can work the trade downs.
Both C and RT and LT are needs  
BillT : 4/2/2020 9:07 am : link
One as important as the next. Our OL at the moment is as bad as any OL in the league. And that's with giving Hernandez credit for being an average player which he really hasn't shown. Using our top 4 picks on the OL wouldn't be too much.
Muti played guard at Fresno, but  
barens : 4/2/2020 9:12 am : link
he is a mauler. I watched Fresno/USC, and he was pancaking guys left and right. Ruiz, looks the part getting off the bus, but I'm not certain he's as consistent as he should be.
Herd a great breakdown  
fireitup77 : 4/2/2020 9:14 am : link
On Sirius XM last week by a former OL coach. In his opinion each guy you listed had pluses and minuses. Said each was scheme dependent. So until we know what kind of scheme we are running it hard to say who we should draft.
Center  
lugnut : 4/2/2020 9:33 am : link
is a greater need than OT at the moment (hard as that is to believe), IMO.

I honestly don't know much about the candidates, although Ruiz seems to be the favorite so I don't think he's there at 36. (Hell, DET took Ragnow at #16 overall a couple years ago, IIRC.) Cushenberry won't be far behind, maybe before #36, too.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if DG trades to move up into late 1st for either of those guys, or trades to be sure of getting someone else in 2nd. We need a STARTER -- not sure who that would be -- we cannot start Pio or Pulley on Day 1, just can't.
Starting to get a good feeling about Hennessy,  
Joe in CT : 4/2/2020 10:05 am : link
only issue is we are going to need to need an early 3rd round pick or trade up to secure him.
Ruiz is almost certainly the most NFL ready,  
Section331 : 4/2/2020 10:11 am : link
but I seriously doubt he's around for our 2nd round pick.
RE: Center  
LBH15 : 4/2/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 14857062 lugnut said:
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is a greater need than OT at the moment (hard as that is to believe), IMO.

I honestly don't know much about the candidates, although Ruiz seems to be the favorite so I don't think he's there at 36. (Hell, DET took Ragnow at #16 overall a couple years ago, IIRC.) Cushenberry won't be far behind, maybe before #36, too.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if DG trades to move up into late 1st for either of those guys, or trades to be sure of getting someone else in 2nd. We need a STARTER -- not sure who that would be -- we cannot start Pio or Pulley on Day 1, just can't.


It really is important to upgrade at Center as soon as able. The Tackles we have aren't going to hold up well, and even if the Giants draft some good ones they will still take some time getting acclimated to NFL speed.

Really need to provide DJ some space to step up into pocket as he develops his game/pocket presence.
I  
AcidTest : 4/2/2020 10:31 am : link
still like Tyler Biadasz. His 2018 tape is awesome. The question with him is injuries. He had hip surgery about a year ago, and then had arthroscopic surgery just a little while ago on the AC joint in his shoulder.
RE: I want to trade down in 1st rd and.accumulate 2nd rd picks  
Optimus-NY : 4/2/2020 10:34 am : link
In comment 14857020 George from PA said:
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Solid centers, solid FS and X WRs....

Giants can find 3 starters in 2nd RD if they can work the trade downs.


I fully agree.
Muti  
lugnut : 4/2/2020 10:37 am : link
is off Pigskin Paul's board because of injuries, I believe.
Edge and OT get the publicity  
j_rud : 4/2/2020 10:43 am : link
but they are really playing a game of Russian roulette with the C spot. Unless there is a option they feel is viable that none of us are seeing they're painting themselves into a corner and will be forced to "shop hungry" in the draft. At that point you risk significantly overpaying to move up or just flat out losing out on your guy. Even something like moving a G to C (I believe Zeitler has some exp there, IIRC) creates another hole.

Gun to my head, its the biggest need on the team right now. Not OT, not pass rusher, not FS or TE. Pulley for 16 games would be fucking disastrous.
Trade down and acquire another 2nd round pick and then draft  
Optimus-NY : 4/2/2020 10:44 am : link
Matt Hennessy from Temple to play Center.
Center is a glaring hole on the O-Line...  
Klaatu : 4/2/2020 10:56 am : link
One which I thought the Giants would try to address in free agency, considering that the only two Centers they have on the roster now are Spencer Pulley and Tanner Volson, a career underachiever who couldn't even beat out Jon Halapio, and a UDFA from North Dakota State they plucked from the Chargers practice squad late last year. I was hoping that having a more accomplished veteran on board would allow them to draft a good C/OG prospect and develop him over time. Such was not the case.

I have no idea what the Giants are going to do in the draft with regard to OC. It seems like there might be a couple of prospects who could be considered plug-and-play, and who might still be available at #36. #99 might be too late. I sure wish they still had #68. At the very least, it would have given them more flexibility.
FWIW ... Mr Dave said last week that the only pro ready center  
Spider56 : 4/2/2020 11:00 am : link
was a Hennessy ... I think he had Ruiz as a guard.
RE: Center is a glaring hole on the O-Line...  
j_rud : 4/2/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14857148 Klaatu said:
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One which I thought the Giants would try to address in free agency, considering that the only two Centers they have on the roster now are Spencer Pulley and Tanner Volson, a career underachiever who couldn't even beat out Jon Halapio, and a UDFA from North Dakota State they plucked from the Chargers practice squad late last year. I was hoping that having a more accomplished veteran on board would allow them to draft a good C/OG prospect and develop him over time. Such was not the case.

I have no idea what the Giants are going to do in the draft with regard to OC. It seems like there might be a couple of prospects who could be considered plug-and-play, and who might still be available at #36. #99 might be too late. I sure wish they still had #68. At the very least, it would have given them more flexibility.


A trade down could be the best option to ensuring you get a C, and while I really dont like weighing need so heavily with a top pick, its hard (or scary. or both) to envision them not coming out of the first 2 rounds without one. A trade back will likely still net you a top OT and give you some wiggle room to either sit tight and wait at 36 or trade back into the first round if a guy you really like is there. The monkey wrench in that scenario is a blue chip player falling to 4, a guy you just cant afford to pass on. Imagine going into that Friday night with the primary plan of fielding offers just to see the unthinkable- Young drops to 4. I mean, it would be a good problem to have but still, the idea of Pulley for a full season gives me agita.
Not sure who is the first Guard that would come off  
LBH15 : 4/2/2020 11:07 am : link
the bench if starters got dinged. Irrespective, a Center who could also play Guard would be ideal.
RE: Muti  
AcidTest : 4/2/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14857127 lugnut said:
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is off Pigskin Paul's board because of injuries, I believe.


He tore his achilles in 2018, and last year had a LisFranc injury. He was cleared by the doctors at the combine.
I really wish the Giants had signed a vet OC  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/2/2020 11:36 am : link
Its such a glaring need, other needy teams will maneuver around us if its obvious say with Ruiz and pick #36.
Agreed with 2nd rd trade down  
Payasdaddy : 4/2/2020 11:55 am : link
Move from 36 to mid forties
Should recoup 3rd for williams
Can grab a solid center probably with either pick
Wr,Er and maybe safety thru 4 th
Assuming OT in first ( still would live to move down a few if we go OT, even if we only grab another 3 plus 2021 pick)
Agree that C is the biggest weakness on the OL.  
Since1965 : 4/2/2020 12:37 pm : link
The rest of the OL can't do their job when the center is consistently being pushed into the backfield.
I was listening to Alexander on Sirius  
RetroJint : 4/2/2020 1:25 pm : link
the other day . Pat asked him who in the draft reminded him most of Frederick , the now retired C of the a Cowboys . He said Biadasz , with the Whiskey connection being coincidental .

For teams wanting a rock in the power running game he said Cushenberry is the guy , although he ends up on the ground too frequently. Judge says he wants to run power . Columbo & Garrett coached Frederick , who at peak value , might have been the best C in the history of the game .

Whom to pick ? Who knows but the Giants desperately need a real center . Along with LOT, of course . That’s a 40% rebuild . Gettleman has acquired 1 guy-Hernandez- who stands a good chance of being with the team in 22 . Everybody else is a short timer .
Some good player but...  
Torrag : 4/2/2020 3:14 pm : link
I think Ruiz will be gone in Round 1 but he would flat out be my if he's there. Cush would be a good fit but he isn't worth #36 and will be gone by #99. So some Draft creativity would be required to get him for value.

I don't see DG going for the light in the pants guys like Harris/Hennessy. The in juries with Muti will push him well into Day 3 imo 4th Round or later imo and he's got that stigma.

Biadasz could be the guy in Round 3. Has some movement limitations but those aren't deal breakers at OC. Has a lot of good tape before some injuries hit him.
Ruiz  
jeff57 : 4/2/2020 3:28 pm : link
Would be my choice.
RE: Some good player but...  
MeadowlandsMike : 4/2/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14857474 Torrag said:
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I think Ruiz will be gone in Round 1 but he would flat out be my if he's there. Cush would be a good fit but he isn't worth #36 and will be gone by #99. So some Draft creativity would be required to get him for value.

I don't see DG going for the light in the pants guys like Harris/Hennessy. The in juries with Muti will push him well into Day 3 imo 4th Round or later imo and he's got that stigma.

Biadasz could be the guy in Round 3. Has some movement limitations but those aren't deal breakers at OC. Has a lot of good tape before some injuries hit him.


Yes those are the 3 guys that make the most sense as scheme fit.
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