“It certainly doesn't appear the Giants were an option at anywhere near that asking price. And New York signed outside linebacker Kyler Fackrell for one year and $4.6 million. The Giants' plan from there was to add another pass-rusher at a lower price point than Golden desired. It seems unlikely Golden and the Giants will be a financial fit this offseason.
So Golden is expected to be patient in his second crack at free agency.
"The $10 million is gone. Don't think he's getting [$8 million]. But it won't be too far off," said another source with knowledge of the NFL's market for edge rushers.”
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Connecting the dots on this one considering Giants haven’t shown a desire to put significant money into any of these edge rushers in free agency so far
I don't think either side burned any bridges.
While it's going to be a different scheme, he should still have a good chance to make a good contribution, especially if an edge isn't drafted.
It may be tough for him to swallow after not having his dollar figure met, but I assume the Giants still hold respect for him.
If OTC is close, the Giants have ~18.5M in space. The draft pool is ~12M, and ~8M of that will count towards the top 51.
Basically as it stands the Giants have ~10M in space. This is basically in line with the comment Gettleman made about needing ~20M to address the draft pool and have flexibility going in to the season.
There's a school of thought Golden is replacement level and the Giants swap in a mid skill player and get the same results.
I think there is an element of truth there, but I also feel his inside pass rush is underappreciated.
Gettleman has spent 3rd round picks in consecutive years on pass rush linebackers, it's probably time to test if one of them can be the 2nd edge rusher.
I agree with this. Yeah, we all understand Golden's limitations, but he can get to the QB, and we are starving for that. At the beginning of FA, most of us thought he would command more than $10M/yr, getting him at $8M is a bargain, IMO.
While Clowney has shown he can be a game wrecker (Look at that Eagle playoff game), I agree that Golden is not in that realm.
However, Golden was there game in and game out and played with more consistency.
At this point, I agree with DG that the dollars need to come down before he will write a check.
IMO - He was all about the sack and did not pay much attention to his "contain" responsibilities.
Given the mobile QBs in our division I would draft edge guys who could contain and get occasional pressure. I would focus on interior lineman with ability to penetrate and pass rush. This would force the QB into the waiting arms of the "contain rushers on the edge.
While true, he was by far our most effective pass rusher. We made no moves to acquire one and the draft is bereft of impact ERs outside of Chase Young. In a passing league, this is not optimal.
A pass rush desperately needed to give the team some swagger in addition to getting to the passer. He hasn't used a 1st or 2nd on a pass rusher and he hasn't signed any name free agents. Although he did let one go in JPP who in 26 games with the Bucks has 21 sacks and 23 stuffs.
I know. No one here is going to say that the Giants should have kept him even if they think so. But in his last two years with the Giants in 28 games there were 15 sacks, 5 forced fumbles and 13 pass defenses. The Bucs signed him to a two year $26 million dollar contract, although I'm sure much less than that is guaranteed.
Gettleman has the money and two players out there in Golden and Clowney but he doesn't want to overspend on them. Some players are underpaid and some are overpaid. The same as in the business world.
The object of the game is to win, and to save your job, not to drive the hardest bargains.
But man, people thought our pass rush last year (and the years before that) were bad. It could be even worse this year, which is hard to fathom, but here we are. Woof.
But man, people thought our pass rush last year (and the years before that) were bad. It could be even worse this year, which is hard to fathom, but here we are. Woof.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THE DRAFT YET GUY.
Since when are seasons won and/or lost due to FA? That's the Dan Snyder school of team building...
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especially if he's going to get overpaid.
But man, people thought our pass rush last year (and the years before that) were bad. It could be even worse this year, which is hard to fathom, but here we are. Woof.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THE DRAFT YET GUY.
Since when are seasons won and/or lost due to FA? That's the Dan Snyder school of team building...
And what rookie DE are you expecting to come in THIS YEAR and dominate in their first year? Pay attention.
There is no chance that happens. None
He is not going to sign for incentives. He wants to be paid.
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That Chase Young is going to fall to them. That 3 QB's go first and he's there at 4
There is no chance that happens. None
This. Anyone who thinks this can happen is kidding themselves
Wait a second... so are you suggesting rookies can't have an impact in their first year? The only way to generate a pass rush is by signing free agents?
We have 2nd year guys in OX coming back in addition to guys like Fackrel who were brought in specifically for that purpose. Then you have the draft to bring in more edge talent... but yeah I guess you're right we should pack it in and get ready for 2021.
We can certainly free up more cap space if we decide to but the recent activity wasn't about Golden.
One easy way would be to come to an agreement with LW... Let's get that done and see where we're at.
We can certainly free up more cap space if we decide to but the recent activity wasn't about Golden.
After the bonus structures with the UFAs the Giants have $18,247,625.
The projected total draft pool is $12,120,327, but only the first four picks as of now would count against the top 51. So only $8,832,513 would count against the cap.
Essentially, with the draft picks considered the Giants have $9,415,112.
The Giants could probably sign one more low end free agent and still have enough buffer to go into the season, but I agree it's not what Golden is looking for.
Round 1, Pick #4 $5,937,724
Round 2, Pick #36 $1,452,868
Round 3, Pick #99 $728,064
Round 4, Pick #110 $713,857
Round 5, Pick #150 $599,365
Round 6, Pick #183 $561,065
Round 7, Pick #218 $537,585
Round 7, Pick #238 $530,931
Round 7, Pick #247 $529,434
Round 7, Pick #255 $529,434
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And what rookie DE are you expecting to come in THIS YEAR and dominate in their first year? Pay attention.
Wait a second... so are you suggesting rookies can't have an impact in their first year? The only way to generate a pass rush is by signing free agents?
We have 2nd year guys in OX coming back in addition to guys like Fackrel who were brought in specifically for that purpose. Then you have the draft to bring in more edge talent... but yeah I guess you're right we should pack it in and get ready for 2021.
This point would hit home a lot harder if the Giants havent had a horrible pass rush for about 5 years. It's not that easy. This is why proven pass rushers are the next highest paid players to quarterbacks.