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Ideal Draft Scenario & Some O-Line Banter

BigBlueWC : 4/2/2020 11:07 am
Trade down to 5 or 6 and pickup and extra 2nd at a minimum.

1. Jedrick Wills - OT
2a. Ceasar Ruiz - C
2b. Top EDGE/LB/FS on the board

In this scenario, we solidify the o-line and add a nice piece to the defense. The Giants are still a year or two away, but this positions them extremely well for the future.

I am curious to hear everyone's take on Wills.

I am convinced he is the best tackle in this draft. He has incredible body control, moves his hips well, has sticky hands, is athletic (tested off the charts), gets downfield well, and has a really high football IQ. He's a surefire a prospect as they come, in my opinion. I don't care if he stays at RT or eventually transitions over to LT. He should be the guy.

Andrew Thomas is the second best tackle in this draft. He's a monster in the run game but lacks at times in pass protection. Has some mechanical issues that can be worked out. Wills and Thomas are in a class of their own. I'd be happy with either.

Wirfs has big-time upside but is sloppy and doesn't play to his size and strength. While I think he can make it as a starting tackle, he is probably best suited to play guard.

Becton is a mammoth but nothing more than a project at this point.
Getting more 2nd RD picks is key to success, imo  
George from PA : 4/2/2020 11:10 am : link
I doubt any rookie OTs starts...Ruiz, FS and WRs drafted in 2nd....more likely to start.
RE: Getting more 2nd RD picks is key to success, imo  
BigBlueWC : 4/2/2020 11:12 am : link
Wills will start wherever he goes right away.
I'd flip 2a and 2b.  
Section331 : 4/2/2020 11:15 am : link
Finding an ER is harder than an OC, IMO.
Becton  
UGADawgs7 : 4/2/2020 11:16 am : link
Being a project is worrisome to take knowing he’s a project. He could end up being the best one, but still worrisome. Many view Wirfs as a Guard but maybe he could play RT in the short term and move to Guard when Zeitler is a UFA?
Many scouts have said they view Ruiz as a better NFL Guard. Would be kind of crappy to take him early on as your C option if he doesn’t pan out. Would be a lot happier if Wirfs was drafted and moved to Guard in a few years vs Ruiz being drafted as a C to have to move to Guard. Hennessy has been compared to Jason Kelce, would love that as the future C.
Last thing. If NYG gain an extra round 2 pick, it wouldn’t be awful if they decided OT, WR ala Pittman who is tall and can be a 1 WR on this team or Claypool who could be a big bodied TE/WR and C in the first 3 picks. Yes the D does need help but Shep has concussion concerns, 1 more he definitely needs to retire, Tate is a very good slot receiver at this point and Slayton was a 5th round rookie who had a very good season. NYG do need another outside weapon especially to help DJ and Barkley.
RE: Getting more 2nd RD picks is key to success, imo  
NYG22 : 4/2/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 14857170 George from PA said:
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I doubt any rookie OTs starts...Ruiz, FS and WRs drafted in 2nd....more likely to start.


Any one of the top 4 OTs would start for NYG Day 1.
RE: I'd flip 2a and 2b.  
BigBlueWC : 4/2/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14857182 Section331 said:
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Finding an ER is harder than an OC, IMO.


That's fair. I'm assuming 2b is 1 to 2 picks after 2a.
I'm no longer convinced that a RD 1 trade down is possible  
Jim in Tampa : 4/2/2020 11:21 am : link
With medical concerns about Tua and teams not being able to do post-combine medical exams of prospects, no one may be willing to trade up for him.

If I'm wrong and a team like Miami, LAC or Carolina does trade up for Tua, it's far more likely that they trade with Detroit at 3.

For the Giants to be able to trade down it almost has to mean that teams are willing to trade up to 3/4 for two of these three players (Tua, Herbert and Simmons).

Combine all that with the fact that DG has never traded down and I think the Giants stay at 4 and take either Simmons or their top OT.
I agree we need to draft OL in the 1st and 2nd  
BillT : 4/2/2020 11:31 am : link
Because we have as little OL talent as any team in the league. The current OL is simply terrible and unless we fix it in the draft it will kill this season just like the 6 or 7 prior ones. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. FA didn't work out to get anything that really improved us. It's the draft or another year where Jones and Barkley spend the season dodging defensive players in the backfield.
Maybe but I doubt it  
George from PA : 4/2/2020 11:38 am : link
Wills might be most ready.....so maybe he can step right into RT....but feel none of them will.

Solder and Flemming will be more trusted by the coaches more then any of the rookies, at least in the beginning.



I still think all this Wirfs is a Guard  
Reb8thVA : 4/2/2020 11:45 am : link
narrative is just spun misinformation.

When asked where Wirfs should play in the NFL, his Iowa coach Kirk Frentz, who is widely respected as an OL coach, did not hesitate and said LT.

I just think some of the narratives have acquired legs for no legitimate reason.
RE: I still think all this Wirfs is a Guard  
NYG22 : 4/2/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14857243 Reb8thVA said:
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narrative is just spun misinformation.

When asked where Wirfs should play in the NFL, his Iowa coach Kirk Frentz, who is widely respected as an OL coach, did not hesitate and said LT.

I just think some of the narratives have acquired legs for no legitimate reason.
totally agree
Not a fan of Wills or Ruiz  
WillVAB : 4/2/2020 12:37 pm : link
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Willvad, why?  
George from PA : 4/2/2020 12:57 pm : link
I see Will the same way....cant explain it, but feel he checks all the boxes but will not deliver as hoped.

This would be the ideal opening Rounds scenario  
Torrag : 4/2/2020 3:40 pm : link
I am seeing Ruiz going in Round 1 consistently in sims though. That could mar your plan.
"his Iowa coach Kirk Frentz, did not hesitate and said LT"  
Torrag : 4/2/2020 3:45 pm : link
Except he didn't play him there for his own team. That speaks volumes. The man still has to go out and recruit.
i don't think we can get a 2nd rounder moving 1/2 spots from 4  
V.I.G. : 4/2/2020 3:52 pm : link
DET could but I'd be surprised.

I'm hoping that we can swap something like 4/36/110 for 5/18/56.
-Smmons
-maybe we get lucky with a top 4 OT fall, but more likely a Josh Jones
-Then take the best C at 56
Mine is easy  
GoDeep13 : 4/2/2020 4:10 pm : link
1. Isaiah Simmons
2. Denzel Mims/Tee Higgins
Trade up in the 3rd. Tyler Biadasz
RE:  
Reb8thVA : 4/2/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14857510 Torrag said:
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Except he didn't play him there for his own team. That speaks volumes. The man still has to go out and recruit.


Wirfs went to Iowa as a tackle. Ferentz figured it could be on either side. It became both sides, but mostly on the right, and not because he wouldn’t have been (in Ferentz’s mind) just as good on the left.

“I would play him at left tackle if I was still in the NFL,” Ferentz said. “Maybe that’s why I’m not, but that’s where I’d play him. Tackles are such a valuable commodity ... at any level.”

Ferentz explained why Wirfs’ regular spot at Iowa became right tackle.

The Hawkeyes prepared for their 2017 season with two bright prospects at tackle, but neither slated to start. One was Alaric Jackson, who got to Iowa a year before Wirfs and took a redshirt in 2016.

Both Iowa starting tackles got hurt early in ’17. Jackson, who wound up making second team All-Big Ten in 2019, had been with the program longer and got first shot at left tackle.

Ferentz is good at recruiting and developing offensive linemen and prefers not to use kids fresh out of high school, but when the right tackle job soon came open, Wirfs plugged in and played most of the season, emerging as Ferentz’s first true freshman to start in the offensive trenches.

Wirfs wound up playing three games at left tackle in 2019 when Jackson was hurt.


Wirfs - ( New Window )
"I would play him at left tackle if I was still in the NFL"  
Torrag : 4/2/2020 4:15 pm : link
Easy to say....but he didn't. He can put forth any reason after the fact he'd like to. His guy is vying for valuable Draft position right now. How does it look to incoming recruits if he doesn't back him in every way possible?

Talk is cheap.
RE:  
V.I.G. : 4/2/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14857510 Torrag said:
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Except he didn't play him there for his own team. That speaks volumes. The man still has to go out and recruit.

i listened to something that sid they tried but alairic jackson was horrible on the right side
RE: Maybe but I doubt it  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/2/2020 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14857229 George from PA said:
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Wills might be most ready.....so maybe he can step right into RT....but feel none of them will.

Solder and Flemming will be more trusted by the coaches more then any of the rookies, at least in the beginning.




Fleming's contract looks an awful lot like that of a swing backup.

Of course the rookie would have to unseat him. In the case of Wills I think he would sooner rather than later.
I’d rather they try and trade a couple back with San Diego, unless  
STLGiant : 4/2/2020 6:18 pm : link
San Diego trades with Detroit. If the latter occurs you wait and see if Young is available at 4, if Young is gone see if you can still trade back and get Simmons...

While I know the this draft is deep with OL, we need to face facts...this NYG defense cannot pressure the QB and Simmons “may” be the edge rusher we need. A guy who can both blitz AND cover...something even LT couldn’t even do.

In the past few seasons, how many games have been lost by this porous defense? How many times has this defense given opposing QBs eons in the pocket?? If the Giants are to be competitive, 2020 needs to be the year of a defensive-weighted draft. We can’t just signed a named FA Edge rusher, as this team is way to far from making the playoffs at this point.
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