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Boston Globe’s Volin: Pats might look to go up to 3 for Tua

Big Blue '56 : 4/3/2020 6:50 am
Not gonna happen, imv. Not enough capital, but here’s his points:

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Here’s why a Patriots-Lions deal could be in the works:

1) Lions general manager Bob Quinn and head coach Matt Patricia have Patriots roots

“Quinn spent 16 years in Foxborough, and Patricia 14 ... Belichick and Patricia still vacation together.”

2) The Patriots and Lions are familiar with each other

“Since Quinn became Lions GM in 2016, the Patriots and Lions have made four player trades (including Kyle Van Noy in 2016 and Duron Harmon two weeks ago), and three draft-day trades.”

3) Belichick’s bond with Alabama’s Nick Saban

“The Patriots, of course, will have all the inside information they need on Tua as a prospect. No one is tighter with Alabama coach Nick Saban than Belichick. And Belichick has never been afraid of drafting a player with an injury history.”

So what would a Patriots-Lions deal look like? The Patriots own just two picks in the top 90 of the 2020 NFL Draft. Volin speculates that the Patriots could try to close the gap in a deal with Detroit by throwing a veteran player into the deal.



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Pats don't have enough  
upnyg : 4/3/2020 7:32 am : link
to get there
Not a Chance that happens  
ZogZerg : 4/3/2020 7:38 am : link
Bunch of BS strung together by someone sitting at home with a lot of time on their hands.
They could probably empty the cabinet to get there  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/3/2020 7:49 am : link
including a few players in addition to picks (I would think Sony Michel would be a tradable commodity), but why would they? Belichick has received more 1st round picks in return for his backup QBs than he has used on drafting QBs in his tenure with New England.

To the extent that there's an ego war happening between BB and TB, Belichick isn't going to go to the top of the draft to prove his chops. If I had to guess, he's aiming to prove that he can make it work with a QB that doesn't have that pedigree, and thus demonstrate that immutable factor in NEP's success is BB, not TB.
RE: Pats don't have enough  
stoneman : 4/3/2020 7:52 am : link
In comment 14857906 upnyg said:
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to get there


Even Gilmore and 2020/2021 #1s would not get them to the 3 hole :)
Would have to involve the next two years  
barens : 4/3/2020 7:53 am : link
1st round picks, which could be good ones.

But even so, hard to pass up a premiere player at that spot.
The key word is 'might'. He's just speculating  
Ira : 4/3/2020 8:10 am : link
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RE: Pats don't have enough  
cjac : 4/3/2020 8:17 am : link
In comment 14857906 upnyg said:
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to get there


This

also BB would never mortgage his future to get one guy

no way this happens
Ira, of course. As I said, not gonna happen.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/3/2020 8:17 am : link
Otoh, if ANYONE could pull something like that off, it would be BB, imv
Off of what I’ve read,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/3/2020 8:21 am : link
the Pats seem to like Stidham
not buying it even if they had the picks to do it  
Victor in CT : 4/3/2020 8:43 am : link
I can't believe BB would trade a whole draft to get a guy who has major injury risk
couple thoughts  
Giantsfan79 : 4/3/2020 8:50 am : link
1. BB may see Tua has the most like Brady mentally. Remember he doesn't coddle his QBs and his style isn't described as fun. He might realize that not every QB coming out of college is used to, or would want to, play in that kind of system. Since Tua played for Saban he might be the only QB prospect coming out for several years that could mentally handle playing for BB.

2. If the Pats do this, it makes a Giants trade-down way more likely. With Tua and Burrow gone and the Dolphins about to pick, any team that wants Love or Herbert now has to jump over the Dolphins which means a call to DG.
There is more here than one would think  
dd in Mass : 4/3/2020 9:01 am : link
For the first time in his tenure as the Pats head coach he is without a true #1 QB. He wants to reset the organization, and this is his chance. No one knows more about Tua than Bill. If he believes that he has the personality and skill set to win in this league. Then I think Bill would do what it takes to go get him.

This is a totally different approach than what we are used to seeing with him with regards to the draft. But it's also what makes him a great coach. Bold moves!!!

As a Giant fan I would love it, as it would add value to our pick. And make a trade down very likely.
This reporter is helping  
George from PA : 4/3/2020 9:02 am : link
The Lions general manager Bob Quinn and head coach Matt Patricia who have Patriots roots....to increase value of trade down with Miami/Chargers

No way are they willing to move into the 20s....nor is BB giving multiple years/picks....he like accumulating picks...not giving them away
Probably wouldn't lead off my thesis with  
LBH15 : 4/3/2020 9:08 am : link
they vacation together.
I actually thought of one other reason the Lions say yes  
Giantsfan79 : 4/3/2020 9:08 am : link
Covid could play a role. Ford owns the Lions and Ford's stock is down. The Lion's ownership may decided the several million they save by moving down to the Pats pick is worth it.

I know fans take their teams owners fiances for granted and only see a trade down as losing out on talented players and the impact it has on the field but from an owners perspective the money saved has an unspoken value.
No  
AcidTest : 4/3/2020 9:58 am : link
way. They don't have nearly enough draft capital to make such a move.
Well, BB & Saban are super tight so  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/3/2020 10:00 am : link
Nick better be real confident Tua is going to excel in the pros.
Fake news!  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/3/2020 10:01 am : link
Poor BB, must have visions of revolutionizing the league with players like Tua and Simmons like he did with LT. Too bad he's always picking around 30.
RE: Not a Chance that happens  
jnoble : 4/3/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14857908 ZogZerg said:
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Bunch of BS strung together by someone sitting at home with a lot of time on their hands.

Exactly. His reason #1 and reason #2 are pretty much the same. Talk about padding out an article and trying to justify your thesis
RE: RE: Not a Chance that happens  
Big Blue '56 : 4/3/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14858095 jnoble said:
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In comment 14857908 ZogZerg said:


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Bunch of BS strung together by someone sitting at home with a lot of time on their hands.


Exactly. His reason #1 and reason #2 are pretty much the same. Talk about padding out an article and trying to justify your thesis


In fairness, even without the virus, this is what we’ve gotten this time of year for decades..:)
Yup, this trade works!  
trueblueinpw : 4/3/2020 10:59 am : link
On Madden.


Otherwise, yeah. No.
RE: Ira, of course. As I said, not gonna happen.  
darktimes : 4/3/2020 11:45 am : link
In comment 14857937 Big Blue '56 said:
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Otoh, if ANYONE could pull something like that off, it would be BB, imv


Anyone could pull it off, it's not hard, it's just that you have to give up ALOT to do it.

You have to have conviction that Tua is going to be Mahomes.
Pure speculation  
AcesUp : 4/3/2020 12:28 pm : link
And bad speculation at that, he's not even in the same planet in regards to the compensation the Pats will need to get there.

Some of these Boston beats may be in trouble if the Pats dynasty gravy train is really over...
Bill loves the Giants  
LeonBright45 : 4/3/2020 2:41 pm : link
He is helping us by instigating a trade up to two by Miami. If the Dolphins get spooked by the thought of the Patriots moving up somehow and then grabbing their guy they might offer the Redskins everything they need to in order to make it happen.

This brings DE-Chase Young that much closer to being a Giant. It also creates more of a market for the other QBs in the conversation. Herbert & Love are both being talked about as top 15 guys and QBs have a way of shooting up the draft board. It only takes one team....... Chase Young or trade down with a QB needy team and get our own windfall of picks.
They flat out don't have the Draft ammunition to get it done...  
Torrag : 4/3/2020 4:39 pm : link
unless they are giving up their 2021 AND 2022 1st Rounders plus more. Not happening.
No way that happens, he does not fit the Patriots style.  
Jack Stroud : 4/3/2020 6:14 pm : link
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