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NFT: I'm purchasing a smart TV

Milton : 4/3/2020 2:48 pm
I want something in the 43-inch to 50-inch range that allows me to stream things from the internet, mostly Netflix and Youtube, but also Vimeo, etc.

Should I get a simple smart TV, a Roku Smart TV, or Android Smart TV? Is it worth having a roku smart TV if you don't pay for the service? Pluses and minuses of each? Anything else I should be on the lookout for (good and bad)?

Thanks!
You don't need to pay...  
Chris in Philly : 4/3/2020 2:55 pm : link
Roku services that I know of (but I have a standalone Roku), but if all you really need are Netflix and YouTube almost any smart TV will do.
all TV's are smart TV's  
UConn4523 : 4/3/2020 2:55 pm : link
and you won't need Roku built in because the TV will have dedicated apps so just check if your model will have access to Vimeo.

TCL has roku built in which is likely better than the non-roku TV's as far as apps go. Generally speaking the smart TV apps don't update like they would on a Firestick (which i'd recommend over the actual smart TV apps).

In sum, i'd focus on the best picture quality at the biggest size since there are infinite solutions for getting your TV connected to use apps.
My TVs are all 5-10 years old  
giantBCP : 4/3/2020 3:00 pm : link
and I couldn't be happier with the Apple TV 4K boxes that I use for their streaming capabilities.
Forget about the smart  
Jim in Fairfax : 4/3/2020 3:01 pm : link
Choose based on the picture. You can cheaply buy a Roku, Amazon Firestick or whatever you like and plug it into your TV. The Built-in smart features are generally inferior and difficult/immpossible to update.
This  
MattinKY : 4/3/2020 3:02 pm : link
should do you for a while.
Sammy - ( New Window )
the bang for the buck on the  
bigbluehoya : 4/3/2020 3:02 pm : link
TCL Roku TVs is excellent. It isn't the most impressive piece of technology you'll ever own, but very affordable and in my experience very reliable.

Good picture and a pretty basic, easy-to-use SmartTV
Should I avoid TVs that are Roku Smart TVs?  
Milton : 4/3/2020 3:03 pm : link
Or is it simply an unnecessary feature (but not a negative)?
RE: Should I avoid TVs that are Roku Smart TVs?  
bigbluehoya : 4/3/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14858399 Milton said:
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Or is it simply an unnecessary feature (but not a negative)?


no reason to avoid them. you can use the TV and apps other than the Roku app specifically without even having an account.
RE: Forget about the smart  
Alan in Toledo : 4/3/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14858395 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Choose based on the picture. You can cheaply buy a Roku, Amazon Firestick or whatever you like and plug it into your TV. The Built-in smart features are generally inferior and difficult/immpossible to update.


Very true.
A lot of people like the TCL Tvs  
SimpleMan : 4/3/2020 3:13 pm : link
because they are cheap.

I bought a 65" TCL Roku and it crapped out in less than 2 years. They have an issue where the screen goes black. You can look it up, it is fairly common. I will never buy another one.

You cannot go wrong with a Samsung.
RE: Should I avoid TVs that are Roku Smart TVs?  
UConn4523 : 4/3/2020 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14858399 Milton said:
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Or is it simply an unnecessary feature (but not a negative)?


No, doesn't matter. They will give you what you want but my focus would be on the quality of the TV not its smart features since you can always add a 3rd party peripheral.
Roku TVs are great.  
NoPeanutz : 4/3/2020 3:27 pm : link
Great interface. All the apps. And TCLs and other brands can be very cheap in any event.
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Britt in VA : 4/3/2020 3:30 pm : link
RE: Forget about the smart  
Section331 : 4/3/2020 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14858395 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Choose based on the picture. You can cheaply buy a Roku, Amazon Firestick or whatever you like and plug it into your TV. The Built-in smart features are generally inferior and difficult/immpossible to update.


Exactly. If the TV doesn't allow you to add apps, it will become obsolete more quickly. Buy the TV with the best picture for the best price, and use a device to stream with.
I bought an Android TV  
JonC : 4/3/2020 3:38 pm : link
because I also have an Android mobile phone, Google Hub, Nest etc at home. I can stream via the phone to the TV when needed, everything ties into the Google Home app on my phone, it's a clean Android solution. Probably going to sign up for a Hulu TV trial in an effort to prep to cut the cord on FiOs and cut my cost in half.

YMMV, you could skip buying a Roku TV if you don't bother with the Roku service. You could buy and ignore it, try it later, you could go with a stick service instead of streaming, etc. There's a lot of options and they're only getting better.
I have does Vizio 4K Ultra  
DRich1980 : 4/3/2020 3:43 pm : link
Smart TV and it works great with what you want to do with it Netflix YouTube and one of the Plus you can cast all video or movies that you are watching on your phone or computer onto your TV
I have a Vizio 4K Ultra  
DRich1980 : 4/3/2020 3:44 pm : link
Smart TV and it works great with what you want to do with it Netflix, YouTube and one of the Plus you can cast all video or movies that you are watching on your phone or computer onto your TV
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I am Ninja : 4/3/2020 3:54 pm : link
I was always a big vizio guy like alot of people because they were right in the sweet spot of cost/quality. 2 of my 3 large screens are Vizio's, both about 2 years old and they're starting to develop what I assume are hardware issues... Not recognizing the network when other devices in the room are, not recognizing the input despite being properly connected, stuff like that, all of which tend to resolve after unplugging for a bit. But thats kind of a pain in the ass because the recepticle is mounted behind the tv on the wall. It's fine for second and third tvs (bedroom and second family room) but the one in our main living space is a pricey samsung oled which I'm happy with. I'm not a big picture quality dork. Take em out of the box and go more or less, but I guess my point is if it's your main tv, spend a few bucks on something that's going to last.
I went with the...  
Milton : 4/3/2020 4:09 pm : link
SAMSUNG 43" Class 4K UHD 2160p LED Smart TV with HDR UN43NU6900 *
...for $248.00+tax. It's for the bedroom.
RE: I bought an Android TV  
Jim in Fairfax : 4/3/2020 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14858437 JonC said:
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YMMV, you could skip buying a Roku TV if you don't bother with the Roku service. You could buy and ignore it, try it later, you could go with a stick service instead of streaming, etc. There's a lot of options and they're only getting better.

Roku isn’t a service. It’s a device for streaming other services: Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO, etc. You can also stream via your Android or Apple device thru it.
very important  
cactus : 4/3/2020 5:01 pm : link
to think about viewing angles.

If you will have a wide seating arrangement opt for an IPS panel TV over a VA panel. VA panels have better contrast at the expense of viewing angles.
Milton that's a nice TV for the bedroom  
Torrag : 4/3/2020 5:04 pm : link
Right size and good picture. Good call.
Gee, remember when we used to argue  
Stan in LA : 4/3/2020 5:46 pm : link
About to plasma or not to plasma?

Fun times.
here's the deal. smart tvs are stupid. the smart part should  
markky : 4/3/2020 5:47 pm : link
be an external peripheral dedicated to apps. like any hardware/software combination since the beginning of time the hardware will eventually not support newer apps or newer versions of the apps you use and you will have to buy an external peripheral (like a Roku stick) anyway.

but since they only sell smart TVs these days, here's what you should do:

- buy the best size/picture quality in your budget

- all things being equal (size/picture quality/price) get the Roku smart TV since the interface is great and this is their only business. easy to listen on your phone so nobody else hears the sound, etc.

good luck.
I generally agree that the smart features on TVs aren't important.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/3/2020 7:27 pm : link
The standalone streaming boxes like FireStick, Roku and AppleTV are better, and easier to upgrade. I have an LG smart TV, it has a ton of streaming channels and smart features built in but we hardly ever use them. I prefer AppleTV for almost everything. We have an AppleTV and a FireStick (somehow got that FireStick for free) in the bedroom. My wife prefers the FireStick but there is some content it won't show because not all these companies get along.

Speaking of these companies not getting along, we sometimes use the built-in Amazon Instant Video app on the LG instead of the AppleTV because the Amazon app for Apple doesn't always work right — probably because Apple and Amazon don't really get along so Amazon doesn't care to work much on the app for Apple's platform. They'd rather you're on the Fire platform.

It sounds great to have everything built in but it's not really that important. For example, I was determined to get a receiver with AirPlay built in, but one article noted you end up overpaying for that feature when you buy it built in to a receiver. If you want AirPlay, you're better of buying an Apple device for your system and getting all the capabilities that come with it. I agree
RE: Gee, remember when we used to argue  
UConn4523 : 4/3/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14858588 Stan in LA said:
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About to plasma or not to plasma?

Fun times.


A plasma panel still blows away the bulk of these shitty uneven LEDs despite the obsolete, 10+ year old technology. If making a 4K or 8k plasma panel was cost effective I’d purchase one in a heart beat. Plasma is no more because of the cost to make them, needing more power to run it, and everyone under the sun thinking brighter is better. The lack of quality control with current TVs is appalling - the return rates are astronomical.

And those really weren’t arguments, it was you posting your opinion and everyone else providing facts.
RE: Forget about the smart  
djm : 4/3/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14858395 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Choose based on the picture. You can cheaply buy a Roku, Amazon Firestick or whatever you like and plug it into your TV. The Built-in smart features are generally inferior and difficult/immpossible to update.


This. Seriously. The “smart” interfaces on smart TVs typically suck. The fire tv or fire sticks are flawless. Just get a good tv with the picture sound you want and plenty of ports and you’re good. Then buy a 25 dollar fire stick or fire tv.
Roku > Apple TV  
aimrocky : 4/4/2020 7:02 am : link
Roku passes through the A/V instead of upscaling as the Apple TV does. The Apple interface is more user friendly, though.
Smart TV newbie here....  
Gregorio : 4/4/2020 8:32 am : link
and probably a simple question for SmartTV users, but how have you set up your Smart TV to receive the video signal? Is it sent over a WIFI router, or have you connected a broadband cable to the back of your Smart TV?
RE: Forget about the smart  
02/03/2008 : 4/4/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 14858395 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Choose based on the picture. You can cheaply buy a Roku, Amazon Firestick or whatever you like and plug it into your TV. The Built-in smart features are generally inferior and difficult/immpossible to update.

+1
RE: Smart TV newbie here....  
VTChuck : 4/4/2020 11:57 am : link
In comment 14858850 Gregorio said:
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and probably a simple question for SmartTV users, but how have you set up your Smart TV to receive the video signal? Is it sent over a WIFI router, or have you connected a broadband cable to the back of your Smart TV?


If you have an ethernet port, a direct connection is more reliable. I have my main TV in the living room wired that way. My other 2 TV's have ROKU boxes that connect through wiFi. They work fine. I have a pretty robust Xfinity router, so YMMV
RE: RE: Forget about the smart  
eric2425ny : 4/4/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14858855 02/03/2008 said:
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In comment 14858395 Jim in Fairfax said:


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Choose based on the picture. You can cheaply buy a Roku, Amazon Firestick or whatever you like and plug it into your TV. The Built-in smart features are generally inferior and difficult/immpossible to update.


+1


+2
RE: RE: Gee, remember when we used to argue  
Stan in LA : 4/5/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14858668 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14858588 Stan in LA said:


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About to plasma or not to plasma?

Fun times.



A plasma panel still blows away the bulk of these shitty uneven LEDs despite the obsolete, 10+ year old technology. If making a 4K or 8k plasma panel was cost effective I’d purchase one in a heart beat. Plasma is no more because of the cost to make them, needing more power to run it, and everyone under the sun thinking brighter is better. The lack of quality control with current TVs is appalling - the return rates are astronomical.

And those really weren’t arguments, it was you posting your opinion and everyone else providing facts.


The reason plasma is no longer is that people DID NOT buy them - even when prices were super discounted.

'nuff said.
RE: RE: RE: Gee, remember when we used to argue  
Jim in Fairfax : 4/5/2020 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14859893 Stan in LA said:
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The reason plasma is no longer is that people DID NOT buy them - even when prices were super discounted.

'nuff said.


No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
I got a Samsung TV about 4-5 years ago  
BUgiantfan : 4/5/2020 2:31 pm : link
The TV itself is fantastic. The apps are atrocious. Either their software is terrible or the computer running the apps is vastly underpowered. Accessing the apps, since day one, has been enraging my slow and the just crash on a routine basis. I gave up on it a while ago and just watch stuff through my Sony blu-ray player. Much more stable.

I have downloaded all the updates and reset the system multiple times. No improvement. I also have a Samsung Blu-ray player and the apps on that are just as slow/useless.
enragingly slow  
BUgiantfan : 4/5/2020 2:32 pm : link
Not enrage my slow.
Bought a Vizio a few weeks ago  
Bramton1 : 4/5/2020 3:53 pm : link
50 inch, got it shipped from Costco (not available in stores). After tax, it cost us around $380.
The old wisdom  
Jay in Toronto : 4/5/2020 4:32 pm : link
is that the software and firmware updates are more reliable on stand-alone media players connected to a TV than a smart TV.

Don't know if that still holds.
If you have the budget,  
darren in pdx : 4/5/2020 6:33 pm : link
get an LG C9 (or used C8 if you can find one, they’ll be cheaper).
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