Giants Starting OL (2020)

and three of them by 2021.

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Can't have that

If we got Simmons and then a Center.

Problem is Jones probably wouldn't.

after 3 years with DG the OL still can't be broken. The time is now. Let's see if they really focus on it. Hopefully they will.

Simmons as it is if Judge/Graham view him as a huge difference-maker in the varying ways they want to deploy him. If not, they should go OL

I doubt a rookie is unseating any.of the others....

I hope Hernandez and Solder rebound and I have slightly higher hope on the right side....center is my great concern

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Not better than a bottom 5 group. Without a couple of new players it's another year like the last half dozen.

But if they only got a high-end starter at OC in this draft, who could step right in and start right away, I would be ok with the rest of it as long as we had some developmental OTs to bring along as well.

we need to fix it now, its a good draft for OT's and Centers. Fixing the line will also help the defense. If they can go on longer drives and control the ball, the defense will get more rest and not be continually put in negative field position. It all works together

I did a mock draft with the simulator NFL Mock Draft Database has and ended up with these picks in the first 4 rounds...

(*Had the Giants trade back with the Chargers. LA got the #4 overall, and the Giants received #6, #71)

*#6 - OT Tristan Wirfs (FYI - Simmons was taken by Detriot at 3)
#36 - C Cesar Ruiz
*#71 - LB Troy Dye
#99 - DE/LB Anfernee Jennings
#110 - TE Albert Okwuegbunam

In comment 14858464 Eman11 said:

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If we got Simmons and then a Center.

Same. A good Center is what this line needs asap. Next would be a LT.

You're joking right? Fleming/Gates are backups...period. There are three OT's in this Draft that would automatically replace them and a fourth whose upside is off the charts even if he takes some time.

already

insanity is doing the something over and over expecting different results.

We already know the answer.

In garrett as offensive coordinator and Colombo as offensive line coach than I did with shurmur / shula and hal hunter. That is where we improved from last year.

Now, we still need to improve on the talent, but it would be wrong to just force a draft pick because of the need. Trade back or take the best player whether it is defense or offense.

Colombo needs to get more out of these players than Hunter did. Even with him getting improvement, I'm really squeamish about starting Pulley, and would like to have a person who can at least push Solder if he's just as bad as last year. That isn't Cam Fleming.

if I had heard either (or both) of them say that they are here to compete for a starting spot. Both of them appear to be too content to be backups. Neither one probably doesn't want to rock the boat, but there are plenty of opportunities to say "hey, I'm here to compete".

Fleming, especially, has had enough starts to rightfully say "I've done my time and shown enough to be the starting tackle for the New York Giants."

is center. Jones needs a pocket. No center, no hope of a pocket, and no chance for escape.

to the bumbling GM, and their supposed franchise quarterback.!

In comment 14858479 Torrag said:

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Problem is Jones probably wouldn't.

I think adding a Center to go along with what will undoubtably be better OL coaching plus Jones having a season under his belt will enable him to more than just live through the year.

I think we can't underestimate how bad our OL coach was last year. Having Garrett and Columbo will IMO, make those players better than what they were last year.

Getting a better Center is huge though but that isn't coming at #4 and passing on a guy like Simmons who will help our sorry D in so many ways is too good to pass up for what I think is a lesser talent OT. If we were picking 8-10 that would be a different story but I don't think any of the top 4 OL in this draft are worthy of a top 4 pick.

Our OT talent is bad. That's the problem. Solder is middle of the pack, is coming off back to back regression seasons and understandably may be distracted by family concerns. What are the odds he has better football in his future? Fleming and Gates are backup material.

That groups talent level isn't nearly good enough to support a young developing QB. Not even close.

Will make them good in 2020. The OL could be great with Wirfs/ etc + Ruiz but the defense will still be horrible, same if you flip it. Whoever is highest on their board is who they should take.

In comment 14858553 Torrag said:

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Our OT talent is bad. That's the problem. Solder is middle of the pack, is coming off back to back regression seasons and understandably may be distracted by family concerns. What are the odds he has better football in his future? Fleming and Gates are backup material. That groups talent level isn't nearly good enough to support a young developing QB. Not even close.

I think the coaching was even worse than the talent and by that alone I expect the unit to be better. If we get a Center that will be a big get and improve the OL tremendously.

I'm not saying the rest of the OL is great, just I think our D was worse and needs the help more urgently. To me the OL will at worst be serviceable this year with a Center and Simmons will go a long way towards making our D better. He's too good a talent to pass up in favor of a lesser talent.

I think Simmons is the better player available if he's there at 4 and fills at least as great a need as an OL. Combine BPA and a need feels to me the better use of the high pick than just going straight need. Simmons fills both, the OL don't.

was marginally acceptable in late 2018 with Solder/Hernandez/Pulley/Brown?? (guy that was cut by Rams)/Wheeler.

Healthy Zietler is better than Brown. FLeming is better than Wheeler. Maybe Gates can play center. Would I be happy with that line? No. Doesn't mean you have to go OL in 1st round.

reach for need. Absolutely worked with Erik Flowers right? You go best player available at 4, THEN factor in need ( like when they drafted Hernandez). The best solution is to trade down to 5 or 6. IF Wash takes Young and Det takes Okudah. I would bet a few bills that QBs go 4 and 5 if they trade to 6. They could draft Simmons and of DG doesn’t screw up the trade, they should have 2 picks at the top of the 2nd (and I would want the 3rd too). They should be able to work those picks and get a tackle and center.

I look forward to the Colt McCoy era.

pick needs to be a center if their top graded centers are close to the group they have at 36.

Simmons vs Oline pick. Oline is in desperate need of talent and so is D. A trade down, then pick an Olineman is a no-brainer, however it takes two to tango and DG has never gotten a deal he's liked to do so. Will DG fall in love with Simmons enough to pass on a trade down? Will there be any decent OTs at the 36th pick? Or just developmental types? I think it's fairly obvious that DG did enough on D in Free Agency to wait till 2nd round on adding talent. He did not do much on offense however and that would lead me to believe that he'll use the draft to bolster that part of the roster. BPA is a nice philosophy, but needs to be weighed against needs as well. OT will not be a glamorous pick, but certainly one that you couldn't argue with either.

need to address 1 of C and RT, if not both. Fleming was a solid signing, but if we are settling on "whoever turns out to be better" from Fleming and Gates at RT, that isn't great. Settling for Pulley or another retread at C is also a disaster. We need a long term option, and we need it now.

Terrible comparison. The OT's at the top of this class grade much higher. The Reese/Ross paradigm is over.

He doesnt have the equity to take a player that some view as risky.

But to answer the OPs question...

Solder - Hernandez - Hennessey - Zeitler - Wirfs

Go Becton or Wills

Then Ruiz or Cushenberry rd 2:

Wills/Solder- Hernendez- Ruiz/Gates- Zietler- Gates/Fleming/Solder

Simply put this Oline has only 2 players that should be starting based on their performance and abilities in Hernandez and Zietler.

Solder, Pulley and Fleming/Gates have enough talent to be on a NFL roster but should not be counted on as a 16-game starters whatsoever. Pulley and Fleming have had opportunities to show what they can do as starters and they haven't met the grade. And anybody on this site looking for a bounce-back year for Solder in 2020 isn't using their brain very well. And even if he did hold up somehow/someway, we all know he is almost certainly a cap casualty in 2021 anyway.

And I am not suggesting that if the Giants drafted two Tackles and a Center with their early picks and plugged them in as starters that the OL would be immediately fixed. They are rookies and need some reasonable amount of time to get acclimated at the next level, make mistakes, learn and develop their games. But I am certainly suggesting that the NY Giants, at the very least, accumulate these potential starters as soon as possible.

The restructuring of the Oline cannot take so long that the rookie contracts of Saquon and DJ run their course at a quicker pace. Can it?

4 Tristan Wirfs Offensive Tackle Iowa 6' 5" 322

36 Tyler Biadasz Offensive Center Wisconsin 6' 3" 315

99 Devin Duvernay Wide Receiver Texas 5' 11" 210

110 Oluwole Betiku Jr. Defensive End Illinois 6' 3" 250

150 Michael Divinity Jr. Outside Linebacker LSU 6' 2" 238

183 Nasir Player Defensive End East Tennessee St 6' 4" 265

218 Michael Onwenu Offensive Guard Michigan 6' 3" 350

238 Antonio Gibson Wide Receiver Memphis 6' 2" 221

247 Anthony McFarland Running Back Maryland 5' 8" 193

255 Luke Juriga Offensive Guard Western Michigan 6' 4" 295

Care of draftsite.com 2020 mock. I'd shit my pants if we had a haul like this.

We replaced some D players with similar level D players and did nothing to help the OL. Flemming was signed with backup money so that is what is expected. To be fair the pickings were slim in FA on the OL but I expected better pickups on D considering the money we had. It doesn't seem like money well spent.

And we have maybe one decent backup in Flemming. Zeitler all’s has a shit ton of milage on him. Gettleman has t been as bad as Reese which isn’t saying anything but they could draft nothing but OL this year and it would be reasonable wjen you factor age and zero depth.

And as good as Okudha is they have picked DBs and signed a legit starter in Bradberry. I keep saying I’d be good w Simmons but I pray they trade back to 5 or 6 and get a lineman who might actually block someone this century

where Solder is starting. He seems like a very good dude & his personal stuff with his family is very sad, but he hasn't been good, to put it mildly.

a 1st round pick and a starting OL who is under contract at least 2 years.

a 1st round pick and a starting OL who is under contract at least 2 years.

Solder(Fleming/Gates)-Hernandez (Gates)-Pulley (Gates/Rookie)-Zietler (Gates)-OLTRADE RT(Fleming/Gates).

Can the Giants get a quality starting RT by dropping down just a few spots? I'm not knowledgeable enough of NFL rosters to know whether this is possible but man does it make sense if say TUA is there at #4 and a team is willing to move up by over-paying the Giants.

If this is reality. Glazer said DG fought to save his job and 1 more year and if he is willing to go draft a RB at 2, followed by a QB at 6 to not protect them, he belongs fired then second the 4th pick is had if it is Simmons. You don’t willingly take a risk at Andrew Luck 2.0 retiring before age 30 unless it is the next coming of LT.

In comment 14858584 XBRONX said:

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pick needs to be a center if their top graded centers are close to the group they have at 36.

Agreed

In comment 14858658 Rudy5757 said:

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We replaced some D players with similar level D players and did nothing to help the OL. Flemming was signed with backup money so that is what is expected. To be fair the pickings were slim in FA on the OL but I expected better pickups on D considering the money we had. It doesn't seem like money well spent.

Funny, PFF thought the Giants improved after FA. But I will listen to "dude on mesage board" with an uninformed medopinion instead.

In comment 14858740 UGADawgs7 said:

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If this is reality. Glazer said DG fought to save his job and 1 more year and if he is willing to go draft a RB at 2, followed by a QB at 6 to not protect them, he belongs fired then second the 4th pick is had if it is Simmons. You don’t willingly take a risk at Andrew Luck 2.0 retiring before age 30 unless it is the next coming of LT.

I could barely make out what you wrote. It is helpful to communicate your opinion to people. Otherwise it is just incorehant rambling.

So basically you said it has to be an offensive lineman at #4 no matter what. Which, of course, is stupid. If Simmons is the best player on the board, you take him. He plays a position that is also a need. He doesn't have to be maybe the greatest defensive player to ever play the game. High standard, don't you think? If he is an All-Pro player every year he will be quite worth it. Especially if you think none of the top 4 linemen in the draft can reach that level.

to shore up one of the tackles at a time. Center,center,center.