I keep reading about the high potential of Becton and some people think he can become an all-time great if everything falls into place. But right now he's raw. Sounds like Wirfs is also a great athlete that's raw, but I never hear about his upside being where Becton's is. Plus most think he's more of a guard. So why do some people prefer Wirfs over Becton?
But that's what I'm asking, if both are projects and Becton can more likely play LT AND he's more athletic why are some people higher on Wirfs?
ALL pro football players are freaks of nature.
That said I'd draft Wills before either. I'd give up a little size for the best technician that can anchor, has legit power and likes to finish guys off.
That said I'd draft Wills before either. I'd give up a little size for the best technician that can anchor, has legit power and likes to finish guys off.
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Agreed. If I were to order them today, it would be
#1 - Wills
#2 - Andrew Thomas
#3 - Wirfs
#4 - Becton
And I don't believe Becton is a top 15 player, and not convinced he's the #4 OT in this draft.
I understand he's a massive human, massively strong...but his technique sucks and he has a way to go before becoming something in the NFL.
Physical specimens don't necessarily mean good football players.
Finally, the difference between Wills and Wirfs, to me...is that Wills processes information faster, and he mirrors better than any other lineman in this class. Wirfs doesn't mirror / change direction quite as well as Wills.
And for the same reason I have Thomas ahead of Wirfs as well.
Wreck Flowers and Mitch Petrus were two freakishly strong prospects. Where are they now?
Strength is nothing without technique and ability and desire to learn technique.
But there are other worthy prospects so we'll see who they land on. It would be an easy decision for me though.
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Please not all men are created equal. Becton has a legit 45 pounds on Wirfs and Thomas. That's next level stuff. Few players in the last ten years have what Becton does physically.
Agreed. If I were to order them today, it would be
#1 - Wills
#2 - Andrew Thomas
#3 - Wirfs
#4 - Becton
And I don't believe Becton is a top 15 player, and not convinced he's the #4 OT in this draft.
I understand he's a massive human, massively strong...but his technique sucks and he has a way to go before becoming something in the NFL.
Physical specimens don't necessarily mean good football players.
Finally, the difference between Wills and Wirfs, to me...is that Wills processes information faster, and he mirrors better than any other lineman in this class. Wirfs doesn't mirror / change direction quite as well as Wills.
And for the same reason I have Thomas ahead of Wirfs as well.
Wills is able to shuffle back and use his hands and positioning to send an ER to their knees, what you want to see out of your tackle.
This is what you want your tackle to look like on a pass play.
I’m curious to know how Becton interviewed. By all accounts Whirfs is a model Human. Heard rumblings about Becton’s attitude but nothing confirmed or trust-worthy.
That said I'd draft Wills before either. I'd give up a little size for the best technician that can anchor, has legit power and likes to finish guys off.
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Please not all men are created equal. Becton has a legit 45 pounds on Wirfs and Thomas. That's next level stuff. Few players in the last ten years have what Becton does physically.
Agreed. If I were to order them today, it would be
#1 - Wills
#2 - Andrew Thomas
#3 - Wirfs
#4 - Becton
And I don't believe Becton is a top 15 player, and not convinced he's the #4 OT in this draft.
I understand he's a massive human, massively strong...but his technique sucks and he has a way to go before becoming something in the NFL.
Physical specimens don't necessarily mean good football players.
Finally, the difference between Wills and Wirfs, to me...is that Wills processes information faster, and he mirrors better than any other lineman in this class. Wirfs doesn't mirror / change direction quite as well as Wills.
And for the same reason I have Thomas ahead of Wirfs as well.
I'm going to say this about Wills and why I agree with you about him in the top spot: It looks easy for him out there. Not the case for the other 3.
The technical issues are real. As far as the rest goes no one knows the answer, it's all projection.
Wills has the technique to play OT in the NFL right now. He picks up stunts and pressure very well, feels the rush, and has great awareness, and sets great angles.You can tell Wills studies film, he seems to know the ends rush habits and comes prepared for them. Although Wills could be a LT he is probably better suited for RT.
Becton great athlete, great size, and moves pretty well. Sustains blocks well during runs and can absolutely pancake guys due to his massive size. Does have some fixable issues during pass protection including hand placement, and at times gets too wide. But may have the biggest upside potential of any of the OL in the draft.
Thomas is a guy that isnt mentioned as much on the boards, but he may be the most solid technique player at the LT position in the draft. Run and pass blocking are both great, but he, like Wirfs, have some coachable issues like bending at the waist and reaching for defenders.
So, I guess it depends a lot on what the Giants are looking for with the 4th pick. Any of the four will most likely be starters at their positions for the next 10-years and play at a high level, just some will have more growing pains than others, and the transition from RT to LT may not work as well asthought.
He also has the Iowa offensive lineman stamp of approval that may also mean the limited risk that Wills offers.
For better or worse, Wirfs is my prediction.
Going back to the OP and echoing much of the replies on this thread, his floor is a lot higher than Becton's. That's even before getting into any potential back issues. IMO Becton represents an unnecessary risk at 4 when you have Wirfs, Wills and Thomas available.
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Please not all men are created equal. Becton has a legit 45 pounds on Wirfs and Thomas. That's next level stuff. Few players in the last ten years have what Becton does physically.
Agreed. If I were to order them today, it would be
#1 - Wills
#2 - Andrew Thomas
#3 - Wirfs
#4 - Becton
And I don't believe Becton is a top 15 player, and not convinced he's the #4 OT in this draft.
I understand he's a massive human, massively strong...but his technique sucks and he has a way to go before becoming something in the NFL.
Physical specimens don't necessarily mean good football players.
Finally, the difference between Wills and Wirfs, to me...is that Wills processes information faster, and he mirrors better than any other lineman in this class. Wirfs doesn't mirror / change direction quite as well as Wills.
And for the same reason I have Thomas ahead of Wirfs as well.
It means very litte, but I like your thinking and ranking and I would have to agree. I don't think a first round OL is something you can afford to miss on and this is the wisest and safest ranking to me.
he's raw compared to Wirf and Wills b/c his potential was nowhere near maxed out in college, compared to those two. He's just starting to scratch his potential.
Now the knock about his back that Sy decided to drop on everyone will everybody freaking out about it for the next week.
I know I’m in the minority, but if I had to choose one to end up at guard, it would be Wills, his style of play, to me, screams Guard.
Wills has the technique to play OT in the NFL right now. He picks up stunts and pressure very well, feels the rush, and has great awareness, and sets great angles.You can tell Wills studies film, he seems to know the ends rush habits and comes prepared for them. Although Wills could be a LT he is probably better suited for RT.
Becton great athlete, great size, and moves pretty well. Sustains blocks well during runs and can absolutely pancake guys due to his massive size. Does have some fixable issues during pass protection including hand placement, and at times gets too wide. But may have the biggest upside potential of any of the OL in the draft.
Thomas is a guy that isnt mentioned as much on the boards, but he may be the most solid technique player at the LT position in the draft. Run and pass blocking are both great, but he, like Wirfs, have some coachable issues like bending at the waist and reaching for defenders.
So, I guess it depends a lot on what the Giants are looking for with the 4th pick. Any of the four will most likely be starters at their positions for the next 10-years and play at a high level, just some will have more growing pains than others, and the transition from RT to LT may not work as well asthought.
One of the better takes I've seen on all 4. Thomas and Wirfs have some stiffness to their game in pass pro which concerns me the most about them over Becton and Wills. Wills is ready to start day 1. Wills has point Gaurd characteristics that translate amazingly well: vision, anticipation, awareness, great footwork. Becton has had subpar coaching but the upside is massive. That size ,speed combination is ridiculous.
Wirfs for all that athleticism/strength combo it doesnt fully translate in pass pro where he looks tight and coiled as Cosell likes to say. This doesn't guarantee he busts but he may be better suited for OG if that doesn't improve.
He also has the Iowa offensive lineman stamp of approval that may also mean the limited risk that Wills offers.
For better or worse, Wirfs is my prediction.
He is a Hog Molly. I can see why DG would want him over the others but I think he is overlooking his tightness in pass pro thinking it can be worked out or taught. Some guys are just not natural in pass pro no matter how athletic.
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Please not all men are created equal. Becton has a legit 45 pounds on Wirfs and Thomas. That's next level stuff. Few players in the last ten years have what Becton does physically.
Agreed. If I were to order them today, it would be
#1 - Wills
#2 - Andrew Thomas
#3 - Wirfs
#4 - Becton
And I don't believe Becton is a top 15 player, and not convinced he's the #4 OT in this draft.
I understand he's a massive human, massively strong...but his technique sucks and he has a way to go before becoming something in the NFL.
Physical specimens don't necessarily mean good football players.
Finally, the difference between Wills and Wirfs, to me...is that Wills processes information faster, and he mirrors better than any other lineman in this class. Wirfs doesn't mirror / change direction quite as well as Wills.
And for the same reason I have Thomas ahead of Wirfs as well.
Excellent post. I have the same exact order and I want Wills at 4 if we stay put.
Scherff and Gallery couldn't hack it. Had to move inside.
That's it. Talk about false narrative.
That would be my differentiator in choosing.
Ferentz and Iowa OL just tend to work out. It's a matter of coaching and scheme, they run a pro style so you're not projecting out as much as the other 95% of college programs that are running a spread. There's an element of security with Iowa OL that shouldn't be ignored.
Right now, Wirfs’ floor appears to be a very good OG, his ceiling a very good LT. Becton is going to bust if he can’t play OT.
I get that people want the gargantuan freak, 6'14" and 410 pounds that ran 4.2 and blocked godzilla on steroids...but really you have to be big enough, long enough, strong enough, smart enough and flat out good enough.
Wills is the best in this class. If someone drafts an OT before him I think they'll be getting a good player. They won't be getting the best player.