What is your surprise draft prediction for the Giants?

Derrick Brown

It wouldn’t surprise me, but it would surprise a lot of people.

I think it would be a terrible pick (not a terrible player, but terrible for this team) but I can 100% see Gettleman doing it.

Williams & franchised him,spent a 1st on Lawrence last year,Tomlinson,Hill & McIntosh in 2018,this would be grounds for Gettleman's firing! Gotta be OT or Simmons!

And drafting Brown, not because he’s a bad player, but how does he fit along a crowded, albeit overrated, DL?

In comment 14859018 The_Boss said:

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And drafting Brown, not because he’s a bad player, but how does he fit along a crowded, albeit overrated, DL?

OR drafting Brown.

Have draft go ideally for the Giants.....abling to get OTs, Center, WR, FS and Edge rusher

I'd rather have Okudah than Brown.

In comment 14859026 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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I'd rather have Okudah than Brown.

Agree.

Giants apparently love him. I wouldn't pick him, he's sun dial slow.

But going Jeudy wouldn’t shock me.

Drafting K'Lavon Chaisson

In comment 14859039 JonC said:

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Giants apparently love him. I wouldn't pick him, he's sun dial slow.

Please tell me he’s not going to be the pick. It’s not that he’s a bad prospect but with Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Dalvin Tomlinson, Austin Johnson, BJ Hill, and McIntosh on board already it would be a bad decision to take another DL with Simmons, Okudah, and all the OT’s on the board.

...to Draft Cushenberry in Round 2.

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Tomlinson for a player, Engram for a pick.

Please no.

Would be the call coming in, and its announced that Cee Dee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy is the pick

Brown at #4
Tee Higgins at #36

In comment 14859106 OBJRoyal said:

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Would be the call coming in, and its announced that Cee Dee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy is the pick

I personally think one or both of those are better than the top graded OT.

and use them to largely invest in the Offensive Line.

This logical approach would be surprising.

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Please no.

Why? It's not liking drafting players in the past with the last name Brown has ever...
Oh. Right.

In comment 14859118 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14859106 OBJRoyal said: Quote: Would be the call coming in, and its announced that Cee Dee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy is the pick I personally think one or both of those are better than the top graded OT.

I dont disagree...

He was picked after A trade down to 9-12. Giants don’t need another DT right now.

Young falling to #4 would be a surprise but if it happens, he should be the pick.

If an OT is the pick at #4 with Simmons or Okudah still available, that would be a surprise to me but the Giants may see more value for an OT.

and a later pick.

A surprise player drops and the Giants don't trade out, select Wirfs.

They choose the top defensive player available (probably Simmons, but Okuduh if Simmons is gone or Young if both the 'Skins and the Lions are stupid).

Then the Giants play to the strength of the draft and take a WR as one of Mims, Higgins or Justin Jefferson falls to the top of RD-2.

Other than the QBs (which the Giants don't need) the four defensive players are the top ones in the draft. They should NOT reach for an OT just based on need, as they have needs at a number of positions.

Also, I'm sure that some are thinking that the Giants can get a WR in Rds 3-7. But the reality is that they can only get a WR with true #1 potential in the top 36 spots.

No way, no how. Regardless of the love. If they took him it would be incredibly stupid. When they traded for Williams they had already lost 6 games. They could have seen they were going to struggle to even finish .500 - why the hell would you trade for Williams who you would then have to sign, then turn aorund a draft another tackle in Round 1, after you just drafted 1 in Round 1 the previous year?

If I had to pick pick a surprise pick - they take the top WR in the draft.

In comment 14859160 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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and a later pick.

Dammit, you took mine. Swap pick #4/#9 - we get Yannick and our OT.

well to me Brown would be BPA. He might end up being the best defensive player from this draft

How people/scouts have Brown rated higher than some of the offensive tackles in this draft. Is Brown that explosive of a player? I think OT is a very hard position to grade, because it’s so much easier to make a mistake. Especially in today’s NFL, you’re never going to find the perfect OT.

But Brown, are we talking about greatness here?

Then use that extra pick to trade up from 36 into the 1st round. The targets - Josh Jones or Denzel Mims.

but the Giants draft Wirfs, BBI meltdown.

No way are they taking a Wr at 4.

In comment 14859239 bc4life said:

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No way, no how. Regardless of the love. If they took him it would be incredibly stupid. When they traded for Williams they had already lost 6 games. They could have seen they were going to struggle to even finish .500 - why the hell would you trade for Williams who you would then have to sign, then turn aorund a draft another tackle in Round 1, after you just drafted 1 in Round 1 the previous year?

I agree it would be stupid. It would be as stupid as having a terrible OL, and after drafting a RB and QB high in the first round, using two picks to trade up into the first round... to draft a CB, especially after already burning a 3rd rounder to draft a CB in the supplemental draft.

Brown has greatness in him. Dude has a relentless motor and is extremely athletic for being 6’5 326. I think his ceiling is a better Fletcher Cox.

if they think Brown is far and away the best player available when they are up at 4, I would take him. Brown and Lawrence in the middle together is frightening. There will be OL available in round 2.

If we took Simmons or one of the OT's because that is what everyone expects them to do.

Williams, Lawrence, and we just signed Johnson.

Gettleman has drafted pretty well so far. I don't him making a dumb move like that.

so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee

Then trade back into the first yo get their tackle. That’s what I’d be thinking about doing.

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Detroit trades out and Tua goes 3. Giants don’t take Oline, Simmons or Brown, they take Okudah.

In comment 14859307 gidiefor said:

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so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee

And what was the case he made...stretch the defense or the like?

In comment 14859235 Jim in Tampa said:

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They choose the top defensive player available (probably Simmons, but Okuduh if Simmons is gone or Young if both the 'Skins and the Lions are stupid). Then the Giants play to the strength of the draft and take a WR as one of Mims, Higgins or Justin Jefferson falls to the top of RD-2. Other than the QBs (which the Giants don't need) the four defensive players are the top ones in the draft. They should NOT reach for an OT just based on need, as they have needs at a number of positions. Also, I'm sure that some are thinking that the Giants can get a WR in Rds 3-7. But the reality is that they can only get a WR with true #1 potential in the top 36 spots.

I like your thinking. And would love this scenario. But you could knock me over with a feather if Justin Jefferson is still on the Board at 36. I wouldn't even wait for the Commish to say the Giants are on the clock.

In comment 14859307 gidiefor said:

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so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee

BPA at #4 if they can't trade down. It could very well be Cee Dee!

will be if they trade out of the #4 spot.

Simmons, assuming he's there.

In comment 14859328 JonC said:

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FWIW, you and Sy say the same thing...Would not be surprised to see Sy rate him between 87-89...

If they take Brown, Williams is let go. He becomes redundant at $13 mill per.

we trade up for Chase Young @ 3.

In comment 14859271 ryanmkeane said:

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Brown has greatness in him. Dude has a relentless motor and is extremely athletic for being 6’5 326. I think his ceiling is a better Fletcher Cox.

I don’t see it. Fletcher Cox coming out was more undersized and explosive than Brown. I don’t see a great interior pass rusher here, I see someone who can push the pocket, but he’s not beating guards with speed in the NFL.

That’s why I just don’t get it, he’s not Cox, Sapp, Darnold...he’s going to be a solid player, but #4.

JonC said on a thread months back that he would draft Herbert and trade Jones. At least I believe my memory is telling me the truth. And due to his asshatery resume I’m picking that as my surprise pick.

In comment 14859336 LBH15 said:

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In comment 14859307 gidiefor said: Quote: so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee And what was the case he made...stretch the defense or the like?

yes, give DJ another weapon that can take the top off the defense and keep them from bringing the whole defense into the box to stop Barkley

but that's strictly my opinion, no scoop. Giants love Jones and are all in.

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In comment 14859307 gidiefor said: Quote: so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee And what was the case he made...stretch the defense or the like?

these were his comments:

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Viewed in that context - and to answer Eric's question about a surprise pick - it certainly wouldn’t shock me if the Giants were to think WR with one of their first two picks. Indeed, I have been making the case (apparently to an audience of no one) that while the OL needs to be upgraded, what would really put the scare in opposing defensive coaches would be a legit #1 receiver with the potential to take the top off their defenses. Last year, for example, the Giants had no one who scared opposing defenses deep so the other guys were consistently bringing 9-10, even 11 guys into the box fixing to stop #26 and just daring the Giants to beat them deep. Slayton did come on late, but add another legit big-play threat and you would start to force opponents to play their safeties much deeper, which in turn would open up the underneath zones for guys like Shepard, Tate and Engram, not to mention, almost by definition, give Saquon some space as opponents just aren't going to be able to bring so many guys to the LOS. And if they do, hammer them over the top. In the first we hear the CeeDee lambi back to being close to a top5 pick, while WR is the strength of the draft in the latter part of the opening round and early second with a bunch of guys like Baylor’s Denzel Mims, USC’s Michael Pittman, Brandon Aiyuk of Arizona State, Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, Penn State’s KJ Hamler and Jalen Reagor OF TCU. Of course, the Giants could opt to add a WR with either their late 3rd or early 4th round picks and they’ll be some good ones there, but they’re all more complimentary type guys rather than potential go-to receivers.

how WR could potentially factor in at #4, but think #36 has more potential to be WR than #4.

This is NOT what I expect will happen, but let's fantasize a bit: Gruden really does want to move on from Carr, and has a secret deal he pops on draft day. Gruden trades Carr to the Patriots for the Patriots' #23 and a lower-round pick to two. Gruden then executes a trade up to #4 with the Giants for #12, #23, and one or two later-round picks.
This gives the Raiders Tua. There - now I've given a premise for why a team can fulfilled the BBI fantasy of us trading down and getting two first-round picks this year.

On Brown, I would not melt down if Young and Simmons are gone and we take Brown at #4. His grades from the various draft sources have him roughly as high a prospect as Okudah and Simmons. Comparisons I have seen include Reggie White (NOT the UDFA wide receiver!) and Aaron Donald. If he turns out to be that good at rushing the passer, Brown would go a long way towards solving one of our biggest needs (pass rush). I also do not agree that "we're set" at defensive line. We are in good shape for 2020 - then both Williams and Tomlinson hit free agency. The draft is about four years, not only the next year, and defensive line will be a need in 2021 unless we open our wallets and give Williams and/or Tomlinson big money.

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Here's a first round that's full of 'em...
Once you get past the obvious first pick - ( New Window )

that teams are shifting philosophy to building defensive strength up the middle, especially when impact Edge is so hard and expensive to find. Look at the Rams. I don't know if NYG is following suit, but's one way to skin the cat and Brown and Lawrence are a strong move in that direction. Build the DL and rotation, build the secondary back end, get more speed in the backend and generate pass rush with packages to help the talent you have. TBD.

In comment 14860471 JonC said:

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how WR could potentially factor in at #4, but think #36 has more potential to be WR than #4.

This has been my thinking as well. The problem is if they go defense with the first pick, there will be pressure on Gettleman to go OL in the 2nd round. But if they can go OL with the first pick (ideally via a trade down) I really like Jalen Reagor with pick 36. There should actually be three or four really good receivers to choose from when that pick rolls around. Just like there will three or four really good OL to choose from with the 4th overall pick. Which translates to the likelihood that there is at least one OL that they full bloom love with the 4th pick and one WR that they have a hard on for with the 36th pick.

In comment 14859307 gidiefor said:

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so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee

My feeling exactly!