What is your surprise draft prediction for the Giants?

we trade up for Chase Young @ 3.

In comment 14859271 ryanmkeane said:

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Brown has greatness in him. Dude has a relentless motor and is extremely athletic for being 6’5 326. I think his ceiling is a better Fletcher Cox.

I don’t see it. Fletcher Cox coming out was more undersized and explosive than Brown. I don’t see a great interior pass rusher here, I see someone who can push the pocket, but he’s not beating guards with speed in the NFL.

That’s why I just don’t get it, he’s not Cox, Sapp, Darnold...he’s going to be a solid player, but #4.

JonC said on a thread months back that he would draft Herbert and trade Jones. At least I believe my memory is telling me the truth. And due to his asshatery resume I’m picking that as my surprise pick.

In comment 14859336 LBH15 said:

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In comment 14859307 gidiefor said: Quote: so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee And what was the case he made...stretch the defense or the like?

yes, give DJ another weapon that can take the top off the defense and keep them from bringing the whole defense into the box to stop Barkley

but that's strictly my opinion, no scoop. Giants love Jones and are all in.

In comment 14859336 LBH15 said:

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In comment 14859307 gidiefor said: Quote: so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee And what was the case he made...stretch the defense or the like?

these were his comments:

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Viewed in that context - and to answer Eric's question about a surprise pick - it certainly wouldn’t shock me if the Giants were to think WR with one of their first two picks. Indeed, I have been making the case (apparently to an audience of no one) that while the OL needs to be upgraded, what would really put the scare in opposing defensive coaches would be a legit #1 receiver with the potential to take the top off their defenses. Last year, for example, the Giants had no one who scared opposing defenses deep so the other guys were consistently bringing 9-10, even 11 guys into the box fixing to stop #26 and just daring the Giants to beat them deep. Slayton did come on late, but add another legit big-play threat and you would start to force opponents to play their safeties much deeper, which in turn would open up the underneath zones for guys like Shepard, Tate and Engram, not to mention, almost by definition, give Saquon some space as opponents just aren't going to be able to bring so many guys to the LOS. And if they do, hammer them over the top. In the first we hear the CeeDee lambi back to being close to a top5 pick, while WR is the strength of the draft in the latter part of the opening round and early second with a bunch of guys like Baylor’s Denzel Mims, USC’s Michael Pittman, Brandon Aiyuk of Arizona State, Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, Penn State’s KJ Hamler and Jalen Reagor OF TCU. Of course, the Giants could opt to add a WR with either their late 3rd or early 4th round picks and they’ll be some good ones there, but they’re all more complimentary type guys rather than potential go-to receivers.

how WR could potentially factor in at #4, but think #36 has more potential to be WR than #4.

This is NOT what I expect will happen, but let's fantasize a bit: Gruden really does want to move on from Carr, and has a secret deal he pops on draft day. Gruden trades Carr to the Patriots for the Patriots' #23 and a lower-round pick to two. Gruden then executes a trade up to #4 with the Giants for #12, #23, and one or two later-round picks.
This gives the Raiders Tua. There - now I've given a premise for why a team can fulfilled the BBI fantasy of us trading down and getting two first-round picks this year.

On Brown, I would not melt down if Young and Simmons are gone and we take Brown at #4. His grades from the various draft sources have him roughly as high a prospect as Okudah and Simmons. Comparisons I have seen include Reggie White (NOT the UDFA wide receiver!) and Aaron Donald. If he turns out to be that good at rushing the passer, Brown would go a long way towards solving one of our biggest needs (pass rush). I also do not agree that "we're set" at defensive line. We are in good shape for 2020 - then both Williams and Tomlinson hit free agency. The draft is about four years, not only the next year, and defensive line will be a need in 2021 unless we open our wallets and give Williams and/or Tomlinson big money.

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Here's a first round that's full of 'em...
Once you get past the obvious first pick - ( New Window )

that teams are shifting philosophy to building defensive strength up the middle, especially when impact Edge is so hard and expensive to find. Look at the Rams. I don't know if NYG is following suit, but's one way to skin the cat and Brown and Lawrence are a strong move in that direction. Build the DL and rotation, build the secondary back end, get more speed in the backend and generate pass rush with packages to help the talent you have. TBD.

In comment 14860471 JonC said:

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how WR could potentially factor in at #4, but think #36 has more potential to be WR than #4.

This has been my thinking as well. The problem is if they go defense with the first pick, there will be pressure on Gettleman to go OL in the 2nd round. But if they can go OL with the first pick (ideally via a trade down) I really like Jalen Reagor with pick 36. There should actually be three or four really good receivers to choose from when that pick rolls around. Just like there will three or four really good OL to choose from with the 4th overall pick. Which translates to the likelihood that there is at least one OL that they full bloom love with the 4th pick and one WR that they have a hard on for with the 36th pick.

In comment 14859307 gidiefor said:

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so it's not entirely out of the question -- I really like Cee Dee

My feeling exactly!