Bleacher Report's Matt Miller reports that there is a "quiet buzz building" that the New York Giants could select Iowa T Tristan Wirfs with the No. 4 overall pick.
At this juncture, Miller's intel indicates that Clemson's Isaiah Simmons may have the inside track to land with the Giants. But watch out for Wirfs. Writes the evaluator, "It's notable that around this time last year, the talk of Daniel Jones to the Giants heated up... " Miller notes that the difference this time around, of course, is that both Simmons and Wirfs are exceedingly logical picks for New York. Can't really go wrong either way. |
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So naturally Dave will choose him.
He also has the highest upside of the first round OT's.
Becton.
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Id be ok with any other OT (not thrilled since i like Simmons and Okudah better).
#1 - you are not a remote thrower
#2 - Wirfs seems to have the highest floor - he is the one guy I think will be exactly what you see
#3 - If he turns out to be an All Pro guard, what is wrong with that?
The guy I am extremely cautious about is Becton. Wirfs seems the least likely to fail.
I don't think it's going to matter b/c I think DG is going to take Simmons if he's there and Wirfs if he's not.
If the Giants trade out of the #4 spot, then things can change.
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I just cant get behind a guy who alot of people say would be a better as a guard with pick #4.
Id be ok with any other OT (not thrilled since i like Simmons and Okudah better).
#1 - you are not a remote thrower
#2 - Wirfs seems to have the highest floor - he is the one guy I think will be exactly what you see
#3 - If he turns out to be an All Pro guard, what is wrong with that?
The guy I am extremely cautious about is Becton. Wirfs seems the least likely to fail.
I'd say Jedrick Wills is the least likely to fail.
I will.
At #4 it's Isaiah Simmons over Tristan Wirfs every day of the year IMO.
I'd take Wirfs only in a trade-down where we pick up at least a high second rounder.
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If it's one of the big tackles or Simmons. This is the correct answer and its not even close
Are you new to BBI? This place will be in meltdown mode no matter who they pick
I don't think it's going to matter b/c I think DG is going to take Simmons if he's there and Wirfs if he's not.
If the Giants trade out of the #4 spot, then things can change.
Charles : Being the least polished might matter if your VP-GM is on thin ice , punctuated by the prospect of reduced practices / training & even season .
I prefer guys like Cosell that sometimes buck the trends but don't run from their mistakes when they're wrong.
How many guys can you point to before your credibility goes in the crapper?
Frankly I'd hope even the writers who do have ties to the team aren't getting good intel until it doesn't matter.
Exactly
If it goes Burrows, Young, Okudah (Detroit needs a CB and he is a blue chipper) then at #4 we will get trade offers and need to take the best one of the bunch and not look back.
I also think DG being on thin ice might prompt him to make a decision with short term thinking ahead.
Hopefully the lack of a Clowney deal means he isn't.
So now its between Wirfs and Simmons.
Wirfs has the higher (and more achievable) upside. Becton is bigger, that's it.
Remember when you said Tiki Barber would never be a feature back in the NFL? Just so everyone can contextualize the level of talent evaluation here.
34" arms are short?
There happen to be some vines on the top OT prospects this year, but strictly on measurables, Wirfs is straight out of central casting for an NFL OT.
2nd year QB, New HC, New OC, NewDC, New positional coaches, New Scouts,Conrona Virus, No Pro Days, No in person interviews, No workouts, and we are divided in at least 5 different ways for who to draft as fans.
Pick Simmons!!
NO Pick a OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
No Pick this OT!!
NO Trade Down
I think by the time the pick happens, no matter who it is, I am just going to be relieved its over and done. Who ever it is I will probably just accept in and move on.
Agree 1,000%. Imo it's Becton or Thomas who've played LT their whole careers. Solder switches. Fleming Gates 2nd team
Agree 1,000%. Imo it's Becton or Thomas who've played LT their whole careers. Solder switches. Fleming Gates 2nd team
2nd year QB, New HC, New OC, NewDC, New positional coaches, New Scouts,Conrona Virus, No Pro Days, No in person interviews, No workouts, and we are divided in at least 5 different ways for who to draft as fans.
Pick Simmons!!
NO Pick a OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
No Pick this OT!!
NO Trade Down
I think by the time the pick happens, no matter who it is, I am just going to be relieved its over and done. Who ever it is I will probably just accept in and move on.
Actually the speculation is part of being a fan, part of the fun at least for me. This is what these guys do, and most of the predictions are possibilities.
What these writers and novice scout types have to understand, scouts and coaches are very confident people. They'll often times project their opinions as fact. Some of my good friends do that, luckily I know them well enough.
Wut?
Never played OT?
Can you please go back to eating styrofoam peanuts for lunch and stop posting?
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7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.
Never played OT?
Can you please go back to eating styrofoam peanuts for lunch and stop posting? [/quote. Why dont you you GF your self. and stop posting nonsense. We are not drafting this guy this guy at #4. period.
Join the club, buddy. Last year Jones was the least favorite QB for many here, including me!
And if you really want to run the ball, it's Thomas all day.
Note his agility #s (3-cone and short shuffle) were better than Wirfs, despite Wirfs' superior "athleticism" leaping and sprinting.
I favor Thomas or Wills, and think the Wirfs rumbling is subterfuge.
Because DG hates BBIers and will do all he can to spite them..
Also Wills over Wirfs easily imo I’d go Wills, Thomas, Wirfs, Becton as my ranks but I’m not a scout. Game tape it seems like Wirfs might end up moving to Guard.
[quote] In comment 14859808 TMS said:
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7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.
Never played OT?
Can you please go back to eating styrofoam peanuts for lunch and stop posting? [/quote. Why dont you you GF your self. and stop posting nonsense. We are not drafting this guy this guy at #4. period.
You're getting close to jtgiants territory on this. Chances are we won't pick him at #4, but that also applies - statistically speaking - to every single draft prospect. The odds for the field will always far exceed the odds for any one prospect at any one draft slot. But Wirfs is almost certainly in consideration at #4.
I want to read more about how Wirfs has never played OT. Can you expand on that while I'm effing myself? Thanks in advance.
Wirfs started all 13 games in 2019, 10 at right tackle and three at left. He was named the Rimington-Pace Offensive Lineman of the Year in the Big Ten, earned First-Team All-American honors by multiple outlets and was an All-Big Ten selection his junior year.
I understand what you mean, Lou. But it annoys me when people speak in certainties, like "DG knows this I AM SURE" when they don't even know what position a prospect played.
TMS in particular has a habit of posting things as though they're facts when they're anything but. Like I said before, very jtgiants-esque.
Yup. We just lived it with Flowers.
You have to pick from the choices that are there, which may not be ideal or as good as the choices at the same pick in other drafts.
As for the Flowers comparison, there was nothing that stood out about Flowers' combine, except his bench press. Wirfs is a combine star.
Doesn't mean Wirfs will be an NFL success but, athletically speaking, he's not Flowers, at all.
Everybody wants the trade down but it may not be on the table.
And if you really want to run the ball, it's Thomas all day.
Note his agility #s (3-cone and short shuffle) were better than Wirfs, despite Wirfs' superior "athleticism" leaping and sprinting.
I favor Thomas or Wills, and think the Wirfs rumbling is subterfuge.
Who the better prospect is is debatable but Wirfs is definitely the better athlete. You're talking about a .02 difference in the short shuffle and a .07 difference in the 3 cone. Wirfs demolished him in every other combine result.