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Matt Miller: Buzz building Giants picking Wirfs #4 overall

CromartiesKid21 : 4/4/2020 5:44 pm
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Bleacher Report's Matt Miller reports that there is a "quiet buzz building" that the New York Giants could select Iowa T Tristan Wirfs with the No. 4 overall pick.
At this juncture, Miller's intel indicates that Clemson's Isaiah Simmons may have the inside track to land with the Giants. But watch out for Wirfs. Writes the evaluator, "It's notable that around this time last year, the talk of Daniel Jones to the Giants heated up... " Miller notes that the difference this time around, of course, is that both Simmons and Wirfs are exceedingly logical picks for New York. Can't really go wrong either way.

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RE: RE: He’s the least preferred OT of mine because many think he’s an OG.  
The_Boss : 4/4/2020 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14859352 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14859349 The_Boss said:


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So naturally Dave will choose him.


He also has the highest upside of the first round OT's.


Becton.
RE: Who is Matt Miller?  
Anakim : 4/4/2020 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14859373 David B. said:
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Bleacher Report
RE: Honestly Wirfs is close to a remote thrower for me  
section125 : 4/4/2020 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14859364 superspynyg said:
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I just cant get behind a guy who alot of people say would be a better as a guard with pick #4.

Id be ok with any other OT (not thrilled since i like Simmons and Okudah better).


#1 - you are not a remote thrower

#2 - Wirfs seems to have the highest floor - he is the one guy I think will be exactly what you see

#3 - If he turns out to be an All Pro guard, what is wrong with that?

The guy I am extremely cautious about is Becton. Wirfs seems the least likely to fail.
least polished is not necessarily a huge knock  
BigBlueCane : 4/4/2020 6:31 pm : link
The other three are the most pro ready now but they're also a lot closer to being maxed out. That's particularly true of Thomas and Wills b/c of Saban's system (and Smart copied Saban's system to a "T").

I don't think it's going to matter b/c I think DG is going to take Simmons if he's there and Wirfs if he's not.

If the Giants trade out of the #4 spot, then things can change.
Would be a terrible choice at 4  
jeff57 : 4/4/2020 6:37 pm : link
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RE: RE: Honestly Wirfs is close to a remote thrower for me  
GFAN52 : 4/4/2020 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14859376 section125 said:
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In comment 14859364 superspynyg said:


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I just cant get behind a guy who alot of people say would be a better as a guard with pick #4.

Id be ok with any other OT (not thrilled since i like Simmons and Okudah better).



#1 - you are not a remote thrower

#2 - Wirfs seems to have the highest floor - he is the one guy I think will be exactly what you see

#3 - If he turns out to be an All Pro guard, what is wrong with that?

The guy I am extremely cautious about is Becton. Wirfs seems the least likely to fail.


I'd say Jedrick Wills is the least likely to fail.
RE: No one is going to complain...  
M.S. : 4/4/2020 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14859340 nzyme said:
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If it's one of the big tackles or Simmons.

I will.

At #4 it's Isaiah Simmons over Tristan Wirfs every day of the year IMO.

I'd take Wirfs only in a trade-down where we pick up at least a high second rounder.
Was Matt Miller the guy that reported last week  
LBH15 : 4/4/2020 6:48 pm : link
that the Giants were likely set at OT already with Solder and Fleming?
RE: RE: No one is going to complain...  
Chip : 4/4/2020 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14859343 BigBlueShock said:
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If it's one of the big tackles or Simmons. This is the correct answer and its not even close


Are you new to BBI? This place will be in meltdown mode no matter who they pick
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christian : 4/4/2020 7:03 pm : link
Wirfs has and still is both my preference and prediction. I believe he is a turnkey All Pro type right tackle.

RE: least polished is not necessarily a huge knock  
RetroJint : 4/4/2020 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14859377 BigBlueCane said:
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The other three are the most pro ready now but they're also a lot closer to being maxed out. That's particularly true of Thomas and Wills b/c of Saban's system (and Smart copied Saban's system to a "T").

I don't think it's going to matter b/c I think DG is going to take Simmons if he's there and Wirfs if he's not.

If the Giants trade out of the #4 spot, then things can change.


Charles : Being the least polished might matter if your VP-GM is on thin ice , punctuated by the prospect of reduced practices / training & even season .
This guy just did a podcast where he was adamant Simmons was the pick  
Torrag : 4/4/2020 7:05 pm : link
LOL. These guys just put out name after name then after the draft say "see I had it all along".

I prefer guys like Cosell that sometimes buck the trends but don't run from their mistakes when they're wrong.

How many guys can you point to before your credibility goes in the crapper?

...  
christian : 4/4/2020 7:08 pm : link
Outer orbit reporters and draftnicks don't have sources inside the Giants.

Frankly I'd hope even the writers who do have ties to the team aren't getting good intel until it doesn't matter.
& tomorrow it'll be...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/4/2020 7:15 pm : link
'Buzz building Giants will not draft anyone at 4.'
Wirfs has almost 30 starts for Kirk Ferentz  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 4/4/2020 7:42 pm : link
Yet still has technique issues. Add that onto short arms. If they want him TRADE DOWN. This prospect isn’t worth the fourth pick.
RE: Wirfs has almost 30 starts for Kirk Ferentz  
jeff57 : 4/4/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14859447 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Yet still has technique issues. Add that onto short arms. If they want him TRADE DOWN. This prospect isn’t worth the fourth pick.


Exactly
No way you take Wirfs at #4, this is all smoke  
SGMen : 4/4/2020 7:58 pm : link
First, we are taking BPA at #4.

If it goes Burrows, Young, Okudah (Detroit needs a CB and he is a blue chipper) then at #4 we will get trade offers and need to take the best one of the bunch and not look back.
RE: least polished is not necessarily a huge knock  
BigBlueCane : 4/4/2020 7:59 pm : link
Steve, said GM was also harping about selecting guys who would wear gold jackets.

I also think DG being on thin ice might prompt him to make a decision with short term thinking ahead.

Hopefully the lack of a Clowney deal means he isn't.
RE: Becton has the highest upside  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/4/2020 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14859355 BigBlueCane said:
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but apparently he has a back issue that knowing Giants medical habits, takes him off the board.

So now its between Wirfs and Simmons.

Wirfs has the higher (and more achievable) upside. Becton is bigger, that's it.

Remember when you said Tiki Barber would never be a feature back in the NFL? Just so everyone can contextualize the level of talent evaluation here.
RE: Wirfs has almost 30 starts for Kirk Ferentz  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/4/2020 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14859447 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Yet still has technique issues. Add that onto short arms. If they want him TRADE DOWN. This prospect isn’t worth the fourth pick.

34" arms are short?

There happen to be some vines on the top OT prospects this year, but strictly on measurables, Wirfs is straight out of central casting for an NFL OT.
Watching that tape on Wirfs  
Daniel in MI : 4/4/2020 9:02 pm : link
The other day, I was struck not only by how he couldn’t adjust to the cross face outside in stunts, but it also seemed he sort of just got in the way rather than getting on guys and sustaining a block. I don’t think pancakes are critical, but it did concern me that this won’t be enough at the next level where guys are faster and use their hands better.
I’ve been all over the place with this pick  
djm : 4/4/2020 9:12 pm : link
But I’m back to wanting the OT and thinking the giants take the OT too. There’s no way Young makes it to 4 and I’m assuming some teams won’t consider Simmons a complete bullet proof player, while one of the OTs likely is bullet proof. Sprinkle in the huge need.... it all adds up.
No projects please  
montanagiant : 4/4/2020 9:13 pm : link
If we go OT just get the guy most pro-ready because we need him this year, not 2 years from now
I WISH THE DRAFT WAS TONIGHT!!  
SteelGiant : 4/4/2020 9:57 pm : link
just so this madness will be over.

2nd year QB, New HC, New OC, NewDC, New positional coaches, New Scouts,Conrona Virus, No Pro Days, No in person interviews, No workouts, and we are divided in at least 5 different ways for who to draft as fans.

Pick Simmons!!
NO Pick a OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
No Pick this OT!!
NO Trade Down

I think by the time the pick happens, no matter who it is, I am just going to be relieved its over and done. Who ever it is I will probably just accept in and move on.
I was wrong about Barber  
BigBlueCane : 4/4/2020 9:59 pm : link
I admit that. But I do think Becton has more upside then Wirfs if all things are equal, particularly if his back is 100%.
I like Wirfs  
AcesUp : 4/4/2020 10:13 pm : link
But I don't think Miller is plugged into the Giants at all. He basically died on the Haskins to the Giants hill last year, this is dating from pre-combine to as late as the week before the draft. I don't think he's that strong in his evals either, he's kind of a hack all around.
Funniest part is people getting upset  
ZogZerg : 4/4/2020 11:20 pm : link
Over these made up rumors.
Wirfs is one of the best athletes you will see  
Breeze_94 : 4/5/2020 12:14 am : link
playing the OLine. Having a guy like him will be a huge asset not only in the outside zone running game and the screen game as well.
RE: No projects please  
OC2.0 : 4/5/2020 3:49 am : link
In comment 14859514 montanagiant said:
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If we go OT just get the guy most pro-ready because we need him this year, not 2 years from now


Agree 1,000%. Imo it's Becton or Thomas who've played LT their whole careers. Solder switches. Fleming Gates 2nd team
RE: No projects please  
OC2.0 : 4/5/2020 3:50 am : link
In comment 14859514 montanagiant said:
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If we go OT just get the guy most pro-ready because we need him this year, not 2 years from now


Agree 1,000%. Imo it's Becton or Thomas who've played LT their whole careers. Solder switches. Fleming Gates 2nd team
RE: I WISH THE DRAFT WAS TONIGHT!!  
joeinpa : 4/5/2020 7:55 am : link
In comment 14859541 SteelGiant said:
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just so this madness will be over.

2nd year QB, New HC, New OC, NewDC, New positional coaches, New Scouts,Conrona Virus, No Pro Days, No in person interviews, No workouts, and we are divided in at least 5 different ways for who to draft as fans.

Pick Simmons!!
NO Pick a OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
NO Pick this OT!!
No Pick this OT!!
NO Trade Down

I think by the time the pick happens, no matter who it is, I am just going to be relieved its over and done. Who ever it is I will probably just accept in and move on.


Actually the speculation is part of being a fan, part of the fun at least for me. This is what these guys do, and most of the predictions are possibilities.
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Peppers : 4/5/2020 10:04 am : link
Miller is not much different than these other beats.. They tend to be gullible and quick to react to something they hear.. maybe that's out of the desire to report it first, I don't know. Not to say Miller is like a Raanan, where people feed him bullshit. Miller just has a tough time "sorting through the trash" - as I say quite often.

What these writers and novice scout types have to understand, scouts and coaches are very confident people. They'll often times project their opinions as fact. Some of my good friends do that, luckily I know them well enough.
Nonsense Wirfs is a good track athlete who played  
TMS : 4/5/2020 11:42 am : link
7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.
RE: Nonsense Wirfs is a good track athlete who played  
BigBlueShock : 4/5/2020 11:55 am : link
In comment 14859808 TMS said:
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7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.

Wut?
RE: Nonsense Wirfs is a good track athlete who played  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/5/2020 11:56 am : link
In comment 14859808 TMS said:
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7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.

Never played OT?

Can you please go back to eating styrofoam peanuts for lunch and stop posting?
Idiots  
PaulN : 4/5/2020 12:49 pm : link
Like this are telling us who Giants should draft.
RE: RE: Nonsense Wirfs is a good track athlete who played  
TMS : 4/6/2020 1:36 am : link
In comment 14859827 Gatorade Dunk said:
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7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.


Never played OT?

Can you please go back to eating styrofoam peanuts for lunch and stop posting? [/quote. Why dont you you GF your self. and stop posting nonsense. We are not drafting this guy this guy at #4. period.
RE: He’s the least preferred OT of mine because many think he’s an OG.  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/6/2020 3:51 am : link
In comment 14859349 The_Boss said:
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So naturally Dave will choose him.


Join the club, buddy. Last year Jones was the least favorite QB for many here, including me!
Wirfs is boy wonder in shorts, but Thomas and Wills  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/6/2020 4:01 am : link
both have considerably better game tape.

And if you really want to run the ball, it's Thomas all day.

Note his agility #s (3-cone and short shuffle) were better than Wirfs, despite Wirfs' superior "athleticism" leaping and sprinting.

I favor Thomas or Wills, and think the Wirfs rumbling is subterfuge.
RE: He’s the least preferred OT of mine because many think he’s an OG.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/6/2020 6:37 am : link
In comment 14859349 The_Boss said:
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So naturally Dave will choose him.


Because DG hates BBIers and will do all he can to spite them..
Wait what?  
UGADawgs7 : 4/6/2020 7:00 am : link
Didn’t Miller say Simmons 100% at 4?
Also Wills over Wirfs easily imo I’d go Wills, Thomas, Wirfs, Becton as my ranks but I’m not a scout. Game tape it seems like Wirfs might end up moving to Guard.
RE: RE: RE: Nonsense Wirfs is a good track athlete who played  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/6/2020 7:05 am : link
In comment 14860336 TMS said:
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In comment 14859827 Gatorade Dunk said:
[quote] In comment 14859808 TMS said:


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7 games at guard in college and never played OT. We are not taking a project like that with the 4th pick in the draft. We have to get starters and win games or we will have a new GM next year. Maybe Garrett. Might be why we bought him here as HC this year. DG knows this I AM SURE.


Never played OT?

Can you please go back to eating styrofoam peanuts for lunch and stop posting? [/quote. Why dont you you GF your self. and stop posting nonsense. We are not drafting this guy this guy at #4. period.

You're getting close to jtgiants territory on this. Chances are we won't pick him at #4, but that also applies - statistically speaking - to every single draft prospect. The odds for the field will always far exceed the odds for any one prospect at any one draft slot. But Wirfs is almost certainly in consideration at #4.

I want to read more about how Wirfs has never played OT. Can you expand on that while I'm effing myself? Thanks in advance.
Wirfs  
LBH15 : 4/6/2020 8:09 am : link
Stats: Three-year starter for the Hawkeyes and the first true freshman to start at offensive tackle under current head coach Kirk Ferentz, according to Hawkeyesports.com.

Wirfs started all 13 games in 2019, 10 at right tackle and three at left. He was named the Rimington-Pace Offensive Lineman of the Year in the Big Ten, earned First-Team All-American honors by multiple outlets and was an All-Big Ten selection his junior year.
GD - you're a better poster than this.  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/6/2020 8:13 am : link
Let's discuss the merits of the top tackles after Sy proffers his opinions of them.
RE: GD - you're a better poster than this.  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/6/2020 8:18 am : link
In comment 14860381 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Let's discuss the merits of the top tackles after Sy proffers his opinions of them.

I understand what you mean, Lou. But it annoys me when people speak in certainties, like "DG knows this I AM SURE" when they don't even know what position a prospect played.

TMS in particular has a habit of posting things as though they're facts when they're anything but. Like I said before, very jtgiants-esque.
We know they love Wirfs  
JonC : 4/6/2020 9:02 am : link
but I'd be surprised if he's the pick at #4. RT prospect who might be better suited at OG is a scary gamble given the defender prospects who could be there at #4.
RE: We know they love Wirfs  
Sean : 4/6/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14860429 JonC said:
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but I'd be surprised if he's the pick at #4. RT prospect who might be better suited at OG is a scary gamble given the defender prospects who could be there at #4.


Yup. We just lived it with Flowers.
I like Wirfs, but I think taking him at 4  
Section331 : 4/6/2020 9:14 am : link
is a mistake. Trade down a couple of spots and pick up another 2nd rounder. It's a good OT class, trade down and take the one remaining that you like best.
Skins took Scherff at #5 and even though he didn't stick at tackle  
shyster : 4/6/2020 10:20 am : link
they made the right choice, when you look at how the remainder of that year's top ten has ended up.

You have to pick from the choices that are there, which may not be ideal or as good as the choices at the same pick in other drafts.

As for the Flowers comparison, there was nothing that stood out about Flowers' combine, except his bench press. Wirfs is a combine star.

Doesn't mean Wirfs will be an NFL success but, athletically speaking, he's not Flowers, at all.

Everybody wants the trade down but it may not be on the table.
RE: Wirfs is boy wonder in shorts, but Thomas and Wills  
Strahan91 : 4/6/2020 10:29 am : link
In comment 14860340 BlueLou'sBack said:
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both have considerably better game tape.

And if you really want to run the ball, it's Thomas all day.

Note his agility #s (3-cone and short shuffle) were better than Wirfs, despite Wirfs' superior "athleticism" leaping and sprinting.

I favor Thomas or Wills, and think the Wirfs rumbling is subterfuge.

Who the better prospect is is debatable but Wirfs is definitely the better athlete. You're talking about a .02 difference in the short shuffle and a .07 difference in the 3 cone. Wirfs demolished him in every other combine result.
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