Check this out (2019 offensive & Defensive Stats) -
Giants offense 19th best (21.3 points per game); #1 Ravens (33.2 points per game); they were 34% better.
Giants Defense, 30th (28.2 points per game); #1 Pats (14.1 points per game); they were 50% better
Rome wasn't built in a day, but if we can seriously commit to fix our offense now (and patch the defense), an 8-8 season is not unreasonable. And then the year after that, it's the defense' turn.
The NFL's design is to favor offense; those that don't understand that will suffer.
The OL is the priority. The Solder deal has failed. He's going on the scrap heap after the 2020 season at the latest. Fleming/Gates are backups. Pulley is the only OC with an NFL start currently on the roster.
Every year we complain how bad it is but you guys get all caught up in the next 'superstar'. In the meantime we can't run the ball consistently or convert a 3rd down. Our QB's are among the most hit and harried every season. Saquon is dodging tackles three yards in the backfield but somehow breaks off big gainers. We are at the bottom of the league in time of possession again and again.
Can we please for the love of god fix the damn O-Line.
The OL is the priority. The Solder deal has failed. He's going on the scrap heap after the 2020 season at the latest. Fleming/Gates are backups. Pulley is the only OC with an NFL start currently on the roster.
Every year we complain how bad it is but you guys get all caught up in the next 'superstar'. In the meantime we can't run the ball consistently or convert a 3rd down. Our QB's are among the most hit and harried every season. Saquon is dodging tackles three yards in the backfield but somehow breaks off big gainers. We are at the bottom of the league in time of possession again and again.
Can we please for the love of god fix the damn O-Line.
Is it bad to have units that are super strong?
My prayer is we trade down from #4 and get a #1 and a starting OT in the move. That would make me happy.
His teams just needed a small lead, the they'd "poke a hole in the football', and it was over. It's not like that anymore, The NFL realizes that what fans want is a lot of points on the board.
Teams that don't understand that are doomed to forever hover between average and mediocre.
The NFL's design is to favor defense;
those that don't understand that were not around during the early 80s when the Giants finally escaped from 17 years in the wilderness and became a team to be respected and feared until the offense finally got something going.
However, you cannot hide a bad defense. They cannot hold a lead with 1 minute to go if they can't stop the other team's passing game...and without a great pass rush, or ability to cover the middle of the field that's exactly what's going to happen.
For years the Patriots drafted defense first, and developed offensive players around Brady. The Giants have ignored the defense right up until last year's draft..time to focus on a difference maker on defense, and then go Olinemen to develop behind the veterans they currently have in place.
Barkley is the Simmons of offense, a ridicilously versatile weapon in pass or run, not to be used on ludicrous Shurnnur wco passes to the flats like he was Tom Rathman to get injured.
yes, based on those stats why don't we just get the defense up to 19th rather than keep the defense at 30th. The offense will improve on it's own. If not, then we have the wrong QB.
I think what he said was the opposite of what he meant.
I'd have no issue with any of the 4 if they think there's another Ronnie Stanley. It seems like there's uncertainty as to whether that's the case and different teams/scouts/whoever have different opinions. And if there's not a Ronnie Stanley you can cluster draft OL in rd 2, 3, 4 wherever and still improve the OL significantly.
So with the #4 pick, just pick the player with the best grade. If it's Simmons great. if it's Okudah great. if it's an OL great. Or a trade. Forcing a pick that's not there is how you end up with Flowers.
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between the 2019 LW trade, Draft(Lawrence/Baker/Ximines/Love/Ballantine) and 2020 free agency. Rookies take time and we've yet to see Bradberry and Martinez in action.
The OL is the priority. The Solder deal has failed. He's going on the scrap heap after the 2020 season at the latest. Fleming/Gates are backups. Pulley is the only OC with an NFL start currently on the roster.
Every year we complain how bad it is but you guys get all caught up in the next 'superstar'. In the meantime we can't run the ball consistently or convert a 3rd down. Our QB's are among the most hit and harried every season. Saquon is dodging tackles three yards in the backfield but somehow breaks off big gainers. We are at the bottom of the league in time of possession again and again.
Can we please for the love of god fix the damn O-Line.
I still have this crazy feeling we could go CB Okudah and S X McInney falls and we take him in the 2nd as he is the BPA available at that pick. Fans go nuts but we have a deep, talented, shutdown secondary by mid-season.
Is it bad to have units that are super strong?
My prayer is we trade down from #4 and get a #1 and a starting OT in the move. That would make me happy.
With our luck, half would be on it before the season starts
My first thought as well.
The offense would improve immediately if the defense could stop our opponents and give the offense more field time. As it is (or has been the last couple of years), our opponents own the field time because we haven't been able to stop them. Give our offense 10 more minutes of field time and watch the numbers go up in a hurry.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't shore up the offensive line and/or add some offensive playmakers, but our focus should be on getting out of the cellar and competing for worst defense in the league each year.
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I have no fucking clue what the hell you are unsuccessfully trying to say.
I think what he said was the opposite of what he meant.
That’s pretty much what happens mos for the time
A nice simple two-point plan. Which is good because those 5-point plans get a little difficult to remember.
Anybody still unclear?
But when your best asset is your running back and you believe you've got your quarterback for the future, you've got to protect them.
One other thing: the Giants are headed for a tougher schedule than last year with games against the AL Central and NL West, two strong divisions. Don't be surprised if we're picking in the top ten a year from now.
The theme our Giants have always have had has been stability. How are they going to re-establish this. Manny points out what most of have been seeing, our defense is really that bad. How many times have we seen a lead evaporate late in a game. I was at the Odell catch game, I looked up at the clock to see how much time was left, 3:00mins, and I knew we had lost the game. The even sadder part was all these effing Cowturd fans that were there celebrating. Rant over. The worst unit on our team is not the Oline, it's the secondary. Followed closely by the pass rush, followed by the Oline. I realize that's only my opinion, but do you want to see us leading a game late in the fourth quarter only to know we are going to lose?
Football has fundamentally changed to favor the offense, that's a fact. But.....I still think defense wins championships, Mahomes aside.
I would love to see our Oline fixed once and for all, but hey Flowers is gone, so we got better by subtraction. (sarcasm off).
Leading to this draft, for me it would have to be the best player that is still on the board at 4. DG has never traded down. The question is does he see any Gold Jackets at 4? If he doesn't then maybe, just maybe he trades down. If it comes down to Okudah/Simmons, I would be happy with either. We just need a couple of late game stops from our defense and we get 3-4 games better immediately. I think both would give us that chance.
I believe in committing to having a strength is imperative. That starts with identifying what your team philosophy will be, writing that down in concrete, then sticking with it. Then once you have that strength you build out the rest of your roster.
I think for NYG to get back on track they have to identify what their team philosophy is first, then commit to having a strength.
Giants defense is two years away (minimum) from being playoff bound...that assumes they use this draft to build a defense that won’t give opposing QBs 6+ seconds in the pocket to complete a pass...
Just a thought...