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Here’s a look at Ruiz’s NFL.com scouting report: “Athletic and tenacious with the combination of skills and technique to fit into a variety of blocking schemes on the next level. Ruiz wins early with initial quickness and fast hands into first contact. He works to convert early advantages into wins. He’s consistent in securing down-blocks and has the athletic traits to become a second-level factor. He’ll give some ground to power rushers and needs help against wide-bodies, but the tape checks out. Ruiz has early starting potential and should develop into a good pro with guard/center flexibility.” Gettleman will enter the draft later this month with a bunch of roster holes. And he has just two picks before No. 99 — fourth overall and 36th. Considering center remains a significant need for Gettleman, don’t be surprised if he gives Ruiz a homecoming in the NFL. |
Who would you take?
Baun*
Gross Matos
Winfield Jr.*
Diggs
McKinney*
Pittman Jr
Mims
Weaver
Okwara
Isiah Wilson
Dugger/chinn
Terrell Lewis
+1 ... great minds think alike ... now if we can only convince DG ...
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The 2nd RD can net us a starting FS, Center and WR.
+1 ... great minds think alike ... now if we can only convince DG ...
I think we would need to convince teams trading below us to trade up. DG I think would be on board trading back a few spots, but you need a willing partner. Detroit holds the keys to this draft. If a QB needy tea trades up to three, it puts us in a bad spot and makes a trade back less likely.
It sure would be nice if they still had the 68th pick in the draft. Now, everyone's hoping they can make up for trading it away in a fruitless effort to win a couple more games last year, by trading down this year, sacrificing their position at the top of the draft to recoup something they never should have given up in the first place. Just brilliant.
It sure would be nice if they still had the 68th pick in the draft. Now, everyone's hoping they can make up for trading it away in a fruitless effort to win a couple more games last year, by trading down this year, sacrificing their position at the top of the draft to recoup something they never should have given up in the first place. Just brilliant.
Remember: “The juice was worth the squeeze”
Baun*
Gross Matos
Winfield Jr.*
Diggs
McKinney*
Pittman Jr
Mims
Weaver
Okwara
Isiah Wilson
Dugger/chinn
Terrell Lewis
I don't know, I'd take Ruiz before half of those guys.
If the right guy is there at 36 and a center...that is fine. Maybe one of the top centers will fall there.
Giant fans in September when opposing DT's run over whatever schlub Center is on the field they and hit Jones so hard he gets hurt and is out for 5 weeks:
"Fire Gettleman! How could he go into the season without upgrading the center position! He sucks!"
While I find it hard to believe Dave is going to pass on an OT (especially Wirfs, who I don’t like), if he goes Simmons or Brown, if Okudah is there, is probably the wrong decision.
Simmons or Okudah.
The only way they take Brown is if DG gets pissed at Williams, rescinds the tag and let's him go.
I've heard they love Brown, but Okudah could also be there.
In his 2nd round rankings, taking the rankings for who he lists as 1A, 2A, and 2B, there are 15 players on offense (Ruiz is 2A) and 14 players on defense to select from. There are 11 players listed in the 2A category, which is where we select.
Ruiz certainly is a reasonable pick. So are many others. I don't see how anyone will have any idea who falls to the Giants in the 2nd round, and neither do the Giants.
One thing I have learned from numerous other drafts is not to judge how well we drafted based on all of the so-called draft analysts rankings prior to the real draft by the real experts. According to the Kiper's of the world, if a team doesn't draft according to their rankings, that team made a bad selection. I think it's more likely, the teams made a better selection than the Kiper's of the world.
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I'm assuming you mean either Simmons or Brown. I'd be pissed if either happens but what do I know
Simmons or Okudah.
The only way they take Brown is if DG gets pissed at Williams, rescinds the tag and let's him go.
I hope you are right Browns a good player but we don’t need that position
If the right guy is there at 36 and a center...that is fine. Maybe one of the top centers will fall there.
I'm still of the opinion that a good center would transform this team more than a good player at almost any other position given the current roster.
Agreed.
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Order. If we go tackle at 4. These are the guys I’d have in mind over a center. I think we can get Hennessy around 99.
Baun*
Gross Matos
Winfield Jr.*
Diggs
McKinney*
Pittman Jr
Mims
Weaver
Okwara
Isiah Wilson
Dugger/chinn
Terrell Lewis
I don't know, I'd take Ruiz before half of those guys.
I was thinking the same thing, if Baun is there, it’s a hard choice but he probably won’t be. I’d take Ruiz over all those guys and it’s not even close. And I’d take him as BPA, not need.
The only other player there that will probably have a similar impact is Antoine Winfield but with the durability issues, I’d pass
Either way, it’s a pipe dream so I’m sure they have a backup plan or are finding ways they could squeeze in the back half of the first round.
As would I. Wirfs in round 1, ideally with a slight trade down, and Ruiz would go a long way towards fixing the OL.
Sure it would be great to have a center who can get to the second level for Barkley, but IMO that is a luxury at this point.
Does Ruiz fit the bill?
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I'm assuming you mean either Simmons or Brown. I'd be pissed if either happens but what do I know
I've heard they love Brown, but Okudah could also be there.
Last year you weren’t hearing Jones at 6 right? I know the year before you were adamant that Barkley was going to be the pick. This is not a call-out because I know how the information game is played. I am just hoping that Brown is not the pick at 4 especially after the Williams trade.
It wouldn't bother me if they went tackle and center with
their first two picks.
From my notes: He struggles a bit with power, doesn't get much movement in the running game in that regard.. Although he is textbook at flipping his hips moving his feet at 45 and walling off to create lanes. He does a very good job picking up blitzes and stunts. Very aware player (impressed on the whiteboard during formals). Establishes an inside hand position almost immediately giving him an early advantage. What I like most is his ability to combo block while finding work at the second level. One issue he has, and I noticed it quite frequently - he's susceptible to swim moves. Davis caught him 3 times with that counter in the Citrus Bowl. He's a pivot. Reminds me a little bit of Joe Looney who NYG tried to sign in free agency.
Jeremiah's take:
Ruiz is an extremely consistent, physical and aware center. In pass protection, he has a tight punch and immediate anchor. His lower body is outrageously strong. He is very aware vs. twists/stunts. He lacks elite foot quickness, but he doesn't have any issues sliding and redirecting to stay square vs. defenders. In the run game, he latches and runs his feet to create movement. He is outstanding on combo blocks, staying under control, locating and walling off linebackers. His lack of foot quickness shows up on outside pulls. Overall, Ruiz reminds me of Travis Frederick coming out of Wisconsin.
Would love him as our round 2 pick. Think he will be a beast if he is anything close to Frederick.
Anyway, Lloyd Cushenberry is graded just two ticks below Ruiz.
Hennesey and Biadasz are graded considerably lower.
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first round....so much better talent there...but they got ten years of outstanding center play.
If the right guy is there at 36 and a center...that is fine. Maybe one of the top centers will fall there.
I'm still of the opinion that a good center would transform this team more than a good player at almost any other position given the current roster.
I think I have to agree. Really wish we could've gotten a very intelligent/experienced Center in Free Agency. That would've been my #1 priority.
I can see that, too, and when I see it, I'm tempted to gouge my eyes out.
They can definitely wait until Day 3 to draft OL.
And just assess it again when we are picking #4 in the 2021 Draft.
But it's just hope.
Daniel Jones development trumps all other roster considerations except acquiring elite pass rushers of which none will be available anyway.
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not drafting an OL until Day 3 based on prior history and the information that's been slowly seeping out from the teams about different players.
They can definitely wait until Day 3 to draft OL.
And just assess it again when we are picking #4 in the 2021 Draft.
By 2021, they might need to draft a QB to replace the corpse of Jones under center.
So you want to relegate a #1 pick to nickel corner, or will we be paying Bradberry for sub packages only?
Okudah is a TREMENDOUS prospect. I just don't think he is a particularly efficient choice given the resource allocation on the roster currently.
Jeremiah's take:
Ruiz is an extremely consistent, physical and aware center. In pass protection, he has a tight punch and immediate anchor. His lower body is outrageously strong. He is very aware vs. twists/stunts. He lacks elite foot quickness, but he doesn't have any issues sliding and redirecting to stay square vs. defenders. In the run game, he latches and runs his feet to create movement. He is outstanding on combo blocks, staying under control, locating and walling off linebackers. His lack of foot quickness shows up on outside pulls. Overall, Ruiz reminds me of Travis Frederick coming out of Wisconsin.
Would love him as our round 2 pick. Think he will be a beast if he is anything close to Frederick.
I've been thinking Wirfs is likely ahead of Wills on the Giants' board, but if we could come out of the first two rounds with Wills, Ruiz and a third pick by way of a short trade-down in round 1 (Josh Uche or Zack Baun would be great targets with a second 2nd rounder), It's hard to imagine a better scenario.
I'd say the same for a trade-down that nets Simmons and then Ruiz and a second-tier OT prospect like Jones or Jackson or Wilson, but I don't see Simmons being available with a trade-down because I think if the Giants vacate #4, he could be a target that someone jumps in front of them for (or the Lions could just take him at #3).
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In comment 14860365 George from PA said:
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The 2nd RD can net us a starting FS, Center and WR.
+1 ... great minds think alike ... now if we can only convince DG ...
I think we would need to convince teams trading below us to trade up. DG I think would be on board trading back a few spots, but you need a willing partner. Detroit holds the keys to this draft. If a QB needy tea trades up to three, it puts us in a bad spot and makes a trade back less likely.
Hmm, good point.
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Jeremiah's take:
Ruiz is an extremely consistent, physical and aware center. In pass protection, he has a tight punch and immediate anchor. His lower body is outrageously strong. He is very aware vs. twists/stunts. He lacks elite foot quickness, but he doesn't have any issues sliding and redirecting to stay square vs. defenders. In the run game, he latches and runs his feet to create movement. He is outstanding on combo blocks, staying under control, locating and walling off linebackers. His lack of foot quickness shows up on outside pulls. Overall, Ruiz reminds me of Travis Frederick coming out of Wisconsin.
Would love him as our round 2 pick. Think he will be a beast if he is anything close to Frederick.
I've been thinking Wirfs is likely ahead of Wills on the Giants' board, but if we could come out of the first two rounds with Wills, Ruiz and a third pick by way of a short trade-down in round 1 (Josh Uche or Zack Baun would be great targets with a second 2nd rounder), It's hard to imagine a better scenario.
I'd say the same for a trade-down that nets Simmons and then Ruiz and a second-tier OT prospect like Jones or Jackson or Wilson, but I don't see Simmons being available with a trade-down because I think if the Giants vacate #4, he could be a target that someone jumps in front of them for (or the Lions could just take him at #3).
Wills/Becton, Ruiz , Baun/Murray/Uche/Matos would be a spectacular haul. Ruiz might cost us a 4th and 5th in trade up like last year to get him.
I suspect that DG is going all in on fixing the defense, trusting Garrett to make the Offense not so inept.
Its the fastest way to turn things around, even if its not the best way.
Anyway, Lloyd Cushenberry is graded just two ticks below Ruiz.
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Starting-caliber center with big hands, long arms and good core strength to match power on power when needed. Cushenberry isn't rigid or stiff, but he does have some limitations with lateral quickness, which show up against athletic edge rushers and with potential run game limitations in space. He's extremely difficult to bull-rush and is rarely beaten to the punch in his pass sets. LSU was frequently tasked with five-man protections in its passing scheme, which put Cushenberry on more of an island than he will see as a pro, so scouts should account for that. He's a do-your-job prospect with the strength to handle an odd-front nose and could be a long-time starter.
Hennesey and Biadasz are graded considerably lower.
Glad you mentioned Cushenberry, who I like. He had a very good senior bowl week. Good leader/Great character. He did a fine job making the correct line calls for a pro-style offense. His length is an added advantage. Solid at getting his hands inside early however not as consistent as Ruiz. I think he does a better job vs power players than Ruiz does. Drops his hips and anchors not giving much ground. In LSU's matchup vs Auburn, Derek Brown lined up at 0 more than a few snaps leaving Cushenberry 1 on 1.. Cushenberry held his own on most reps. Very few centers in the country could do that vs Brown. I should note, Brown ultimately got the better of LSU's line (Very impressive performance considering LSU's OL won the Joe Moore Award). Overall, I see why some want to move Cush to guard but I think he's a starter at center early and will prove his worth at that position.
Baun*
Gross Matos
Winfield Jr.*
Diggs
McKinney*
Pittman Jr
Mims
Weaver
Okwara
Isiah Wilson
Dugger/chinn
Terrell Lewis
From what I have read, Hennessey will end up in DJ's lap in less than 2 seconds. He has no sand in the pants.
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The 2nd RD can net us a starting FS, Center and WR.
+1 ... great minds think alike ... now if we can only convince DG ...
Convince him of what? You can't trade down unless someone offers to trade up. Some of you guys just want to trade down for ANYTHING. Which is just idiotic. Unless you good a good offer to trade down, it is pointless to trade down.
But it's just hope.
If Simmons become an All-Pro and DG takes a starting but okay OL most Giants fans who complained about the OL will say they should have taken Simmons and want DG fired anyway.
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If you don't count Tristan Wirfs, lol.
Anyway, Lloyd Cushenberry is graded just two ticks below Ruiz.
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Starting-caliber center with big hands, long arms and good core strength to match power on power when needed. Cushenberry isn't rigid or stiff, but he does have some limitations with lateral quickness, which show up against athletic edge rushers and with potential run game limitations in space. He's extremely difficult to bull-rush and is rarely beaten to the punch in his pass sets. LSU was frequently tasked with five-man protections in its passing scheme, which put Cushenberry on more of an island than he will see as a pro, so scouts should account for that. He's a do-your-job prospect with the strength to handle an odd-front nose and could be a long-time starter.
Hennesey and Biadasz are graded considerably lower.
Glad you mentioned Cushenberry, who I like. He had a very good senior bowl week. Good leader/Great character. He did a fine job making the correct line calls for a pro-style offense. His length is an added advantage. Solid at getting his hands inside early however not as consistent as Ruiz. I think he does a better job vs power players than Ruiz does. Drops his hips and anchors not giving much ground. In LSU's matchup vs Auburn, Derek Brown lined up at 0 more than a few snaps leaving Cushenberry 1 on 1.. Cushenberry held his own on most reps. Very few centers in the country could do that vs Brown. I should note, Brown ultimately got the better of LSU's line (Very impressive performance considering LSU's OL won the Joe Moore Award). Overall, I see why some want to move Cush to guard but I think he's a starter at center early and will prove his worth at that position.
The last time I "fell in love" with a Center who impressed me during Senior Bowl week, the Giants drafted him in the 2nd round (#43 overall).
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and the OL continues to struggle in the regular season, people up to and including DG lose their jobs.
But it's just hope.
If Simmons become an All-Pro and DG takes a starting but okay OL most Giants fans who complained about the OL will say they should have taken Simmons and want DG fired anyway.
So true.
Nick Harris, center, Washington: The Giants are in the market for a young center and Harris (6’1″, 302) is a tough guy who fits what the Joe Judge Giants are aiming to be: hard-working and team-oriented
Thoughts on the guy?