It seems there are a lot of people on BBI that think a trade down is automatically going to happen and if it doesn’t then DG sucks. I’ve read so many threads about a trade down and needing to convince DG to do it. BBI is setting itself up for disappointment. DG is not going to trade down for nothing and he has to have someone to trade down with. What if Miami and San Diego think they can get their guy without trading up? Does DG somehow suck because they didn’t want to trade up? I think people on BBI are convincing themselves that a trade is going to happen and then what happens when it doesn’t?
2. What trade offers we will get
3. How high and far apart the OL prospects are on the Giants' Board.
Admittedly, I haven't been here that long (although I lurked all of last season), but this was too funny. Have you read any thread on BBI at all?
It's OK, just a different approach, safe and secure vs. a little risk to max. gain and get best value for your assets.
If he wants to trade down this year, someone will do it if they feel the cost is right. Can't tell me Miami wouldn't move up a spot for a 7th round pick, who wouldn't. So don't tell me you can't move down, you just might not be able to move down for the price you want or expect, but you can always move down.
He has to make Miami think that a team is going to jump them and he has to make LAC, JAX, OAK, CAR etc.. think that the other will take their guy if they don't go get him
(1) It's strange that the Giants have not traded down in any round since Accorsi did so with Pittsburgh in the first round to acquire Kiwi.
(2) Every draft and round are nonetheless unique. The fact that we haven't traded down since we took Kiwi doesn't mean that we should do so now.
(3) I was fine with the Giants not trading down in the last two drafts. (I think the Browns offered DG two seconds to move from two to four in 2018.)
(4) Trade partners may be harder to find this year because of COVID - 19.
Yup. Screaming for a specific draft strategy is nonsense. Pick good players how ever the hell that needs to be done.
HM - I shake my had at the lack of rationale on this site and it does make me laugh.
Rasb - Yes they could’ve traded with the Jets but the probability of it was next to zero. They wanted Barkley and they weren’t taking chances.
Because DG is an easy target. I think he has done ok as a GM.
The vocal ones on this board will be mad no matter what. If no trade, DG is an idiot. If he makes a trade it will be for too little or too far down, etc. etc.
Too many QB's? You think a rebuilding team like Miami is going to pass on a young QB in the draft to sign Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, or a broken down Cam Newton? Miami is taking a QB with their first pick but I do agree that Detroit is a more likely trade candidate unless they are in love with Simmons, Okudah, or Brown.
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I don’t see Miami or Chargers over reaching for Tua or Herbert, but the most logical trade partner for either is Detroit and not the G-Men. I fully expect DG to take an OT at 4 and am OK with it.
Too many QB's? You think a rebuilding team like Miami is going to pass on a young QB in the draft to sign Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, or a broken down Cam Newton? Miami is taking a QB with their first pick but I do agree that Detroit is a more likely trade candidate unless they are in love with Simmons, Okudah, or Brown.
Detroit is more likely but if Young falls to them or Miami doesn't hit their strike price, then it rolls from Detroit to the Giants.
He has to make Miami think that a team is going to jump them and he has to make LAC, JAX, OAK, CAR etc.. think that the other will take their guy if they don't go get him
By his own statements, don’t expect DG to be working the phones. He won’t initiate a call and by his own admission, he didn’t take calls from others. Hard to make a deal that way.
However, I do think he will listen to offers this time, but may not be interested in negotiating. DG is a crusty old guy, set in his ways, but he should recognize a good deal when he sees one. If he doesn’t make a deal, 2/3 of BBI will blow up. If he makes any deal, 2/3 of BBI will still blow up.
I thought Detroit refuted the Stafford rumors vehemently?
Nevertheless, agree with your above and also adding Miami to that mix of teams.
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I think the hope is that DG is at least working the phones as much as possible up until and after we're on the clock.
He has to make Miami think that a team is going to jump them and he has to make LAC, JAX, OAK, CAR etc.. think that the other will take their guy if they don't go get him
By his own statements, don’t expect DG to be working the phones. He won’t initiate a call and by his own admission, he didn’t take calls from others. Hard to make a deal that way.
However, I do think he will listen to offers this time, but may not be interested in negotiating. DG is a crusty old guy, set in his ways, but he should recognize a good deal when he sees one. If he doesn’t make a deal, 2/3 of BBI will blow up. If he makes any deal, 2/3 of BBI will still blow up.
So you think the Leonard Williams deal promotes confidence?
I think the Jags are sticking with Minshew for year 2. Not sure why they shouldn't unless somebody blows them away in this draft?
(1) It's strange that the Giants have not traded down in any round since Accorsi did so with Pittsburgh in the first round to acquire Kiwi.
(2) Every draft and round are nonetheless unique. The fact that we haven't traded down since we took Kiwi doesn't mean that we should do so now.
(3) I was fine with the Giants not trading down in the last two drafts. (I think the Browns offered DG two seconds to move from two to four in 2018.)
(4) Trade partners may be harder to find this year because of COVID - 19.
If Cleveland offered DG 2 2nd rounders, it is very clear they wanted Barkley. Normally would say 2 2nd rounders to just move down 2 spots you have to do, but DG wanted Barkley and that was that.
There is a reason these veterans are available plus if you see a guy like Tua or Herbert being a franchise QB then teams will look to move up. Common sense.
That were not around anywhere that Gettleman has been - Judge and Garrett. DG is not dealing the cards from a point of strength, the team has languished since he's been here.
If Garrett , especially says "I want so-and-so", DG will be forced to listen.
That were not around anywhere that Gettleman has been - Judge and Garrett. DG is not dealing the cards from a point of strength, the team has languished since he's been here.
If Garrett , especially says "I want so-and-so", DG will be forced to listen.
And what exactly has Garrett done to show he is a talent evaluator especially when it comes to the draft? If that was the case, john mara would have hired him as a personnel guy and not a coach.
Who ran the drafts in dallas? Was it garrett or has it always been jerry jones and his son Stephen Jones?
Gettleman being forced to listen to who Garrett wants.....that's rich
It's OK, just a different approach, safe and secure vs. a little risk to max. gain and get best value for your assets.
If he wants to trade down this year, someone will do it if they feel the cost is right. Can't tell me Miami wouldn't move up a spot for a 7th round pick, who wouldn't. So don't tell me you can't move down, you just might not be able to move down for the price you want or expect, but you can always move down.
So basically you are saying trade down for the sake of trading down. Which is of course stupid. You only trade down if you get offered a good deal to trade down. You don't move down even one spot for a freaking a 7th round pick and take even the slightest risk you lose the player you want.
Miami might be very happy to stay where they are.
It's OK, just a different approach, safe and secure vs. a little risk to max. gain and get best value for your assets.
If he wants to trade down this year, someone will do it if they feel the cost is right. Can't tell me Miami wouldn't move up a spot for a 7th round pick, who wouldn't. So don't tell me you can't move down, you just might not be able to move down for the price you want or expect, but you can always move down.
Stupid post..really dumb. Just trade with the Jets for the sake of trading. Just trade with Miami for a 7th rounder? What if Miami wants that 7th rounder and see no advantage to trading a pick for no reason.
afann is right - teams don't trade, just to trade.