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NJ.com’s latest mock: Young falls to us

Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2020 6:01 am
I know, I know, don’t shoot the messenger.

Here are the first 5 picks:

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Here is our latest mock draft projection:

1) Cincinnati Bengals: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU

This pick has been known for months. Burrow is the most complete quarterback prospect to enter the draft in years and gives the Bengals a foundational centerpiece to build around.

2) Miami Dolphins (via Washington MOCK TRADE): Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Alabama

What happens with the No. 2 pick will determine much of what transpires the rest of the first round. With all the medical news on Tua Tagovailoa coming back positive, the Alabama quarterback seems earmarked to go here, but the biggest question is whether Washington throws in the towel on Dwayne Haskins after just one season or moves back. Miami has structured their entire organizational philosophy around getting a franchise quarterback in the draft this year. They pull the trigger on a blockbuster trade with Washington, giving up pick No. 26, pick No. 39, and a 2021 first-round pick to land Tua.

3) Detroit Lions: Jeff Okudah, CB, Ohio State

After the Dolphins move into the two-hole, the Lions have the pick of the two premier defensive prospects in the class. Losing Darius Slay leaves a gaping hole in Detroit’s secondary, and they fill it with Ohio State’s dominant cover-corner Jeff Okudah.

4) Giants: Chase Young, DE, Ohio State

Dave Gettleman and Giants fans collectively rejoice as their top target falls into their lap. Young is a generational pass-rusher following in the footsteps of fellow Buckeyes Nick and Joey Bosa. Gettleman is a firm believer in dominating the line of scrimmage, and Young gives the Giants a disruptive force off the edge, injecting elite talent into a pass-rush that has averaged just 32.5 sacks per season the past two years.

5) Washington (via Dolphins): Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson

New head coach Ron Rivera appears committed to strengthening Washington’s front-seven. Passing on Young in favor of two first-round picks and a second-round choice from the Dolphins still allows Rivera to come away with a game-wrecking inside linebacker in Isaiah Simmons, who can be deployed as an off-ball linebacker, off the edge, or even in coverage


Rest of the picks - ( New Window )
If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
Milton : 4/7/2020 6:12 am : link
...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.
Since we are dwelling in Fantasyland,  
Diver_Down : 4/7/2020 6:21 am : link
what would really set BBI off is that Young falls to us and Dave for the first time trades down for a haul and gets this OL fixed. It satisfies the niche segment of fans that clamor for a trade down every year. It satisfies the segment that has watched year after year for near a decade the OL flounder and now there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

I know it will never happen, but part of me wants it too just for the reaction.
Cant wait  
kes722 : 4/7/2020 6:25 am : link
Till young falls to us and we take OT
RE: Since we are dwelling in Fantasyland,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2020 6:25 am : link
In comment 14861259 Diver_Down said:
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what would really set BBI off is that Young falls to us and Dave for the first time trades down for a haul and gets this OL fixed. It satisfies the niche segment of fans that clamor for a trade down every year. It satisfies the segment that has watched year after year for near a decade the OL flounder and now there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

I know it will never happen, but part of me wants it too just for the reaction.


But then we’ll be tortured every flucking day as to why we passed on Young
Even if Washington makes that trade...  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/7/2020 6:48 am : link
... there is no way Detroit passes on Young.

But interesting question: if the Giants had the #2 pick, would you want them to make that trade? I wouldn’t. I’d want them to sit tight and take Young.
Its not Wash that would covet 2021 picks - it's Det  
stoneman : 4/7/2020 6:52 am : link
not only will Mia not give up that much to cover Tua, with Wash not picking Tua, a Mia move would fall to the cheaper 3 hole. With Det only having one more year on Stafford contract next year, Det would covet a 2021 1st more than this years (to line up for next years QB class).

This of course would be the worst possible scenario for the Gmen as the 4 hole would only be of minor concern for someone trying to cover LAC/CAR and Herbert. No Young, no trade down.
So Young is a generational pass rusher...  
KDavies : 4/7/2020 7:02 am : link
Just like the guy who was drafted a year ago, and the guy drafted four years ago?

Don’t get me wrong, I would be thrilled to have Young. However the term ‘generational’ is used wrongly so often.
Totally agree with Milton and KDavies  
Matt G : 4/7/2020 7:06 am : link
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The dumbest Part of this mock isn't Maimi trading up with the skins  
ZogZerg : 4/7/2020 7:17 am : link
It's that Detroit passes on Young. Not a chance that would happen if he is there at #3.
RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
jeff57 : 4/7/2020 7:30 am : link
In comment 14861257 Milton said:
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...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.


Yeah, can’t see the Lions taking Okudah over Young.
RE: RE: Since we are dwelling in Fantasyland,  
Diver_Down : 4/7/2020 7:31 am : link
In comment 14861261 Big Blue '56 said:
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what would really set BBI off is that Young falls to us and Dave for the first time trades down for a haul and gets this OL fixed. It satisfies the niche segment of fans that clamor for a trade down every year. It satisfies the segment that has watched year after year for near a decade the OL flounder and now there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

I know it will never happen, but part of me wants it too just for the reaction.



But then we’ll be tortured every flucking day as to why we passed on Young


Thankfully, the Darnold contingent has quieted down.
There is a sliver of a chance that Young falls,  
Diver_Down : 4/7/2020 7:42 am : link
but not as I think the mock describes. Everyone knows that Haskins was Snyder's pick. But for the first time, Snyder had to swallow his pride as he abdicated authority in the organization. He shook up the organization by courting Rivera and ceding decisions to him by firing Allen. I think the QB decision is Ron's.

What would push Young to us is if Ron took Tua and in a panic Miami trades up with Detroit as all of a sudden other teams are calling Detroit to move ahead of Miami. Miami isn't going to settle for the #4 QB and allow a team like Carolina jump them. Ron can still get his edge by trading Haskins + Williams to Jax for Yannick.
Had a dream last night we drafted Young  
02/03/2008 : 4/7/2020 7:47 am : link
It was a dream, but here is how it went
1. Browns take DT Brown - I know, I know
2. Skins trade w Miami - Miami took Burrow
3. Giants trade w Detroit - gave up a few late draft picks
4. Detroit takes CB Okudah
5. Skins - don’t remember
RE: RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2020 7:47 am : link
In comment 14861276 jeff57 said:
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...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.



Yeah, can’t see the Lions taking Okudah over Young.


Detroit has crap on the back end. Playing devil’s advocate, perhaps they would value Okudah’s skillset superior to Young’s? Just askin’
RE: Had a dream last night we drafted Young  
Big Blue '56 : 4/7/2020 7:48 am : link
In comment 14861285 02/03/2008 said:
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It was a dream, but here is how it went
1. Browns take DT Brown - I know, I know
2. Skins trade w Miami - Miami took Burrow
3. Giants trade w Detroit - gave up a few late draft picks
4. Detroit takes CB Okudah
5. Skins - don’t remember


Browns?
Re: Cant wait  
gapofstrahan : 4/7/2020 8:10 am : link
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kes722 : 6:25 am : link : reply
Till young falls to us and we take OT

You mean another DT..
Schefter  
UGADawgs7 : 4/7/2020 8:19 am : link
Tweeted that Haskins will be part of the draft party with Ron Rivera and Kyle Smith. It all but basically confirms Chase will be the pick. Only possibility is if a team offers an RG3 package and that'd have to be 5,18, 21 first and maybe a 2nd...
RE: RE: RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/7/2020 8:20 am : link
In comment 14861286 Big Blue '56 said:
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...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.



Yeah, can’t see the Lions taking Okudah over Young.



Detroit has crap on the back end. Playing devil’s advocate, perhaps they would value Okudah’s skillset superior to Young’s? Just askin’

Advanced analytics favor coverage over pressure, but using the more established football wisdom, you can atone for a lot of sins in the secondary with a great pash rush. A great corner only atones for the sins of the guy he replaces.
Not going to happen  
Gruber : 4/7/2020 8:20 am : link
The only way Chase Young falls to the Giants is if QB's go the first three picks, trades or no trades. Quite simply, Young is the first non-QB off the board.
In the above scenario. I can't see Matt Patricia choosing Okudah ahead of Young. Both are nailed-on future Pro-Bowlers, but you just have to look at the impact Nick Bosa has had on the 49ers to see it's got to be Young first.
RE: Schefter  
Diver_Down : 4/7/2020 8:23 am : link
In comment 14861303 UGADawgs7 said:
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Tweeted that Haskins will be part of the draft party with Ron Rivera and Kyle Smith. It all but basically confirms Chase will be the pick. Only possibility is if a team offers an RG3 package and that'd have to be 5,18, 21 first and maybe a 2nd...


That would be gold to see Tua picked at #2 with a live stream of Haskins They Done Messed Up - Part 2.
RE: So Young is a generational pass rusher...  
LBH15 : 4/7/2020 8:31 am : link
In comment 14861269 KDavies said:
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Just like the guy who was drafted a year ago, and the guy drafted four years ago?

Don’t get me wrong, I would be thrilled to have Young. However the term ‘generational’ is used wrongly so often.


Beat me to this posting this comment.

I suppose this is the Pass Rush Generation.
RE: RE: So Young is a generational pass rusher...  
KDavies : 4/7/2020 8:42 am : link
In comment 14861315 LBH15 said:
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In comment 14861269 KDavies said:


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Just like the guy who was drafted a year ago, and the guy drafted four years ago?

Don’t get me wrong, I would be thrilled to have Young. However the term ‘generational’ is used wrongly so often.



Beat me to this posting this comment.

I suppose this is the Pass Rush Generation.


Lol. It drives me nuts. LT was a generational pass rusher. Reggie White probably was. Trout is a generational baseball player. Many HOFers aren't even generational players, let alone three players drafted in four years at the same position.
I think the length of a Generation is supposed to be roughly  
LBH15 : 4/7/2020 8:56 am : link
30 years, but I guess in the NFL it's like every 2-3 years.
If the Giants go defense with the #4 pick  
LBH15 : 4/7/2020 8:59 am : link
I think they will have like 7 of 11 starters that are former first or second round picks, which certainly feels like a lot.

Do any other teams compare to that percentage, if you know?

Will look in meanwhile.
RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
AcidTest : 4/7/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14861257 Milton said:
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...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.


Agreed.
RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
Section331 : 4/7/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14861257 Milton said:
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...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.


Exactly. If DET stays at 3, they're taking Young.
RE: I think the length of a Generation is supposed to be roughly  
cokeduplt : 4/7/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14861336 LBH15 said:
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30 years, but I guess in the NFL it's like every 2-3 years.



It’s yearly, every year someone is generational. I’m so tired of hearing that term. Can he just be the best player in the draft?
RE: Cant wait  
x meadowlander : 4/7/2020 10:08 am : link
In comment 14861260 kes722 said:
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Till young falls to us and we take OT
As long as we don't have to go scrambling for draft guides to find out who the fuck Eli Apple is, I'm good.
I think Diver has it correct  
Dave on the UWS : 4/7/2020 10:11 am : link
If Wash takes Tuo (after Cinn drafts Burrow), Detroit's phone will be ringing off the hook from Miami, SD and maybe Jacksonville for Herbert. Its not as far fetched as you would think.
RE: Since we are dwelling in Fantasyland,  
HoodieGelo : 4/7/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14861259 Diver_Down said:
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what would really set BBI off is that Young falls to us and Dave for the first time trades down for a haul and gets this OL fixed. It satisfies the niche segment of fans that clamor for a trade down every year. It satisfies the segment that has watched year after year for near a decade the OL flounder and now there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

I know it will never happen, but part of me wants it too just for the reaction.


LOL could you imagine - I'd be glued to this board for days
RE: The dumbest Part of this mock isn't Maimi trading up with the skins  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/7/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14861273 ZogZerg said:
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It's that Detroit passes on Young. Not a chance that would happen if he is there at #3.


"Not a chance"

I'm so glad you guys have this figured out in advance every year.

Like last year when Ferrell went #4 overall. The rest of the world was surprised, but not me because I visit BBI and you guys know all this shit.

I remember when Jones' selection at 7 was met with reserved calm on BBI because it wasn't at all surprising to us.

Again, bravo for all you do.
I'd think Detroit wouldn't pass on Young ...  
FStubbs : 4/7/2020 10:57 am : link
... but they do have a huge gaping hole in their secondary which it seemed like they were betting on Okudah to fill.

But generally, I think they take Young if by some far fetched miracle Washington trades out of that spot.

Hint: They won't.
Is there independent confirmation  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/7/2020 11:30 am : link
that Tua is in full effect?
RE: Cant wait  
joeinpa : 4/7/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 14861260 kes722 said:
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Till young falls to us and we take OT


Lol😄
RE: RE: Had a dream last night we drafted Young  
02/03/2008 : 4/7/2020 11:45 am : link
In comment 14861289 Big Blue '56 said:
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It was a dream, but here is how it went
1. Browns take DT Brown - I know, I know
2. Skins trade w Miami - Miami took Burrow
3. Giants trade w Detroit - gave up a few late draft picks
4. Detroit takes CB Okudah
5. Skins - don’t remember



Browns?


Oops, meant Bengals. Hadn’t had a second cup of coffee when I wrote it.
Still think we take BPA or trade down if it is not Young, Okudah  
TMS : 4/7/2020 12:18 pm : link
or Simmons. We then try and get OL help the rest of the draft. DG/ Garrett are pretty good at finding OL talent and it is a big pool to chose from. Would like Tackle and Center candidates.
RE: Cant wait  
81_Great_Dane : 4/7/2020 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14861260 kes722 said:
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Till young falls to us and we take OT
That could happen. But if Young is on the board at #4 and the Giants don't want to take him, they are in a very nice position to trade down — if there's someone in the top 10 willing to pay for the trade up to get Young.
RE: Cant wait  
Jay in Toronto : 4/7/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14861260 kes722 said:
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Till young falls to us and we take OT


We should do collective remote-throwing on Zoom :)
I think Miami will target Herbert over Tua at QB  
Rick in Dallas : 4/7/2020 4:15 pm : link
Tua is multi talented but a Huge medical risk. He has had 2 ankle and 1 hip surgery during his career at Bama. In addition he had a bulky knee issue.
I would be so worried about his career being cut short due to injuries.
If it goes Burrow, Hebert and Tua in top 3 and Young is there  
SGMen : 4/7/2020 6:18 pm : link
Then our defense will be ready to be Top 12. I mean that with a pass rusher and a much improved secondary and strong run defense. Why not?
RE: RE: RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
GoDeep13 : 4/7/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14861286 Big Blue '56 said:
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...it will be because QBs went 1-2-3, not because Detroit selected Okudah over him.



Yeah, can’t see the Lions taking Okudah over Young.



Detroit has crap on the back end. Playing devil’s advocate, perhaps they would value Okudah’s skillset superior to Young’s? Just askin’
Patricia knows first hand the value of CBs over Rushers. He’s seen what guys like Darrell Revis and Stephon Gilmore do for a defense. I’d be surprised if the took Young over Okudah.
If some team falls in love with Tua or Herbert...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/7/2020 7:36 pm : link
You can rest assured they will move heaven & earth to trade up to get one of them.
Sy gave a high grade (87)  
Dave on the UWS : 4/7/2020 8:48 pm : link
to Okudah. So Detroit taking him instead of Young is by no means far fetched.
We can pray  
viggie : 4/7/2020 9:01 pm : link
We need a break.
Only scenario ....  
Manny in CA : 4/8/2020 1:51 am : link

That I wouldn't trade back.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Young is to fall to the Giants...  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/8/2020 6:53 am : link
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Patricia knows first hand the value of CBs over Rushers. He’s seen what guys like Darrell Revis and Stephon Gilmore do for a defense. I’d be surprised if the took Young over Okudah.


Patricia's eyes were closed when Strahan, Tuck, Osi and JPP shut down Tom Brady and the Pats' offense enroute to 2 SB titles?

He was an assistant coach on those teams, too.

What a specious argument.
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