Dolphins reporter Omar Kelly Sun Sentinel: Giants could be willing to deal with teams jockeying to get ahead of Dolphins in draft
“ Most NFL insiders thought Detroit would be the draft’s hot spot at No. 3 for teams that covet Tagovailoa, but word is spreading that Ohio State’s Jeffrey Okudah might be too talented a cornerback for Detroit to pass up after trading away Pro Bowl Darius Slay. So, teams committed to getting ahead of Miami’s No. 5 pick might be able to get a better deal from the New York Giants.
There’s plenty of validity to this theory if you consider the Giants, who drafted quarterback Daniel Jones No. 6 last year, likely will end up selecting the same caliber of player whether they keep the No. 4 pick or move down a couple spots by trading with the Dolphins, Los Angeles Chargers (No. 6), Carolina Panthers (No. 7) or Jacksonville Jaguars (No. 9)...
That means it is pick No. 4, which is worth 1,800 trade value points, that should be viewed as the hot spot of the 2020 NFL draft.
If you’re wondering what it would cost the Dolphins to move up from pick No. 5 to pick No. 4, the trade value chart estimates the price is 100 points, which is the equivalent of a compensatory third-round pick (selection 100, which is owned by New England).
Miami’s 2020 third-round pick (No. 70) is worth 240 points, and the Giants’ third-round pick (No. 99) is worth 104 points, so a swap of third rounders could potentially get a deal done for Miami, or the Chargers, which own pick No. 71, which is worth 235 points...
But what can be verified is that the Dolphins are committed to keeping all three of their first-round selections (Nos. 5, 18 and 26) unless they can make a deal for Burrow, which seems unlikely, or a proven established veteran like Washington offensive tackle Trent Williams.
But if the Giants are willing to do business with teams coveting Tagovailoa — and they should be considering a trade down has very little impact on the caliber of player they get — striking a deal might be more feasible for all interested parties.“
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It has taken considerably more in recent years to move up.
See Chicago with Trubisky or Jets with Darnold
Trade chart means nothing in this situation. I can’t imagine the Giants dealing the pick for anything less than an extra 2.
It has taken considerably more in recent years to move up.
See Chicago with Trubisky or Jets with Darnold
This
It has taken considerably more in recent years to move up.
See Chicago with Trubisky or Jets with Darnold
This!
The only reason for a trade-up is to grab a QB which is a premium positional pick and for that reason worth more than the draft chart
When you run a draft simulation, you really get a sense of the interminable void between 36 and 99. Really hope DG fills that gap.
Don't forget the Pats move to acquire Gilmore and how they have played defensively going back to when Patricia was there, feeling that the pass rush can be neutralized more so than a shut down corner.
But this assumes that The top 3 picks are Burrows, Chase, and Okuda. You can trade downa nd still get your OT or Simmons.
If you're the Miami GM and the Giants accept a trade offer like that Miami should say they changed their mind, stay put and draft Tua at 5.
If Detroit goes CB with #3, then I would expect DG's rotary phone to be ringing off the hooks.
Miami would have to offer enough to prevent DG from trading down to SD. He can probably get the same player there, so why not take the bigger trade.
They have three #1s. Pittsburgh’s and Houston’s for Minkah and Tunsil
Can they risk losing Okudah if they love him? They move down to 5, Giants could pick Okudah at 4.
It has taken considerably more in recent years to move up.
See Chicago with Trubisky or Jets with Darnold
To me, it's not only when making a trade to draft a QB, but it's the same reason it was not outrageous that DJ went at #6 last yr (besides the fact he wouldn't have been avail at #17).
You don't compare a franchise QB to any other pos. The points/value thing doesn't apply. As you said, you throw it out the window.
Don't forget the Pats move to acquire Gilmore and how they have played defensively going back to when Patricia was there, feeling that the pass rush can be neutralized more so than a shut down corner.
He Had Revis too
When you're looking at getting your franchise quarterback value charts go out the window. A swap of 3rd rounders? Nowhere near enough.
It would be great if a wild card emerges (like Oakland) or another team just outside the top Ten.
As long as the Giants get a good starting OT I am fine with moving back quite a bit.
The hard part is passing on a player (Simmons/Okudah) for example if the belief they are a perennial pro-bowler. With so many needs they will have to make tough decisions. I tend to go with more good players versus one star.
I couldn’t agree with you more, Acid. I would be very happy with just the third round pick from Miami. The only time I would ask for significantly more is if the Chargers are involved with trading up. You can have them both bid. It would be stupid not to shoot yourself in the foot, when Miami can give a 3rd. The Giants lose nothing trading with Miami. They will still get their guy.
Barkley is understandable as Browns were the only team that would have taken Barkley so if that rumor is true, DG didn’t want to lose his future RB. Fine. This team has too many holes to the point where this team isn’t an Isaiah Simmons away from being a top defense. This team as a whole is a dominant pass rusher, a dominant MLB, a solid FS, 2 tackles and a Center away from being real SB competitors.
You’re offered a 2 to move down 2 spots, great. 36-99 is a massive time to wait. You can afford to wait if it’s 6, 36,38,99 totally can wait. 4 7th round picks, maybe you end up going from 99 to like 90 to get who you want.
Hopefully Detroit loves Okudah and see him as an immediate Slay replacement
That usually improves the value way over what the "trade chart" suggests...especially for QB's. If you like them are you really going to miss out on them for a day 2 pick? I doubt it...
Still, if Miami is hungry, they'll target a team higher than #4.
a team like the panthers who need a corner at #4 could in theory trade up from #7 to get there lock down CB. When you trade back you always risk losing "your guy".
The giants seem to be in between going best defensive player (simmons) or going OT. The issue with going OT is there really much seperating the top 3-4 OT's?
If they really want OT...then you can easily get a good one at #6 or #7...Det can't bank on getting Okudah at that spot.
It has taken considerably more in recent years to move up.
See Chicago with Trubisky or Jets with Darnold
You can throw out "points" anyhow. It isnt 1995.
Its plausible that 3 QBs go in the top 4.
How do they know:
1.) DG wouldn't want Okudah
2.) Some other team wants Okudah and would trade with NYG
neither likely, but certainly possible.
I understand people saying "forget the chart" but the market is what it is. If neither MIA nor LAC offer more than a 2nd, then the pick is worth a 2nd. You sound like homeowners who want 500K for a 200k house.
and if jax want to give us 9th and their 2nd for our 5 th pick in that works too
Trade #70 for FS Harris
draft wirfs at 9
C and ER in 2nd team doesnt look too bad D should be fairly solid
In addition they have a QB that is injury prone and not very mobile.
I just find it interesting that no one talks about offensive line at 3 for them or with a trade down yet says it’s mandatory that the Giants need one at 4. Are the lineman truly not talented enough to warrant a top 4 pick and the Giants are constantly mocked one due to perceived need? I don’t have answer to this question. Just curious people’s thoughts.
It will be interesting because of the limited time between picks if it goes down to draft day.
How many of us ripped the Giants for taking Jones over Allen figuring he Wouid still be there at 17. But the Giants had a conviction and stuck with it.
Wishful thinking on the author's part.
It has taken considerably more in recent years to move up.
See Chicago with Trubisky or Jets with Darnold
This.
I understand people saying "forget the chart" but the market is what it is. If neither MIA nor LAC offer more than a 2nd, then the pick is worth a 2nd. You sound like homeowners who want 500K for a 200k house.
Actually, each year the market is different depending on the draft class and the teams and their goals and motivations.
This year, my guess is that the market is more than in previous years, but so much will be determined by how the first 3 picks go, and what Carolina, Jacksonville, and Las Vegas do and how they view their QB situations. All three could also conceivably look to move up, in addition to the Dolphins and Chargers.