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BPA or protect Daniel Jones?

Sean : 4/7/2020 10:04 pm
I think this is the big question almost two weeks from the draft. The last two premium draft picks Dave Gettleman has selected were Saquon Barkley & Daniel Jones. Both of these players need a strong OL in order for the potential to be reached. We have seen what both of these players can do & the thought of a strong OL protecting them is exciting.

We have seen how a poor OL can derail a team, does it make sense to pass on improving the line at #4? What good will it be if our premium investments the last two years can’t perform due to crappy line play?

I know the defense is abysmal, but we haven’t figured out the OL for a long time now - can this regime afford to go defense at #4?
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RE: Oh No Oh No...  
nzyme : 4/8/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14862280 Jim in Tampa said:
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Unles we take an OT at 4 Jones will end up in a body bag and Barkley will never gain another yard.

Oh no oh no!!!

Look. If there was a can't miss OT worthy of the 4th overall pick I'd be fine with it. There's no denying the OL needs help.

But while there seems to be consensus among scouts and talent evaluators that the four best non-QBs are all on D (Young, Simmons, Okudah and Brown) opinions vary on the best OT.

So why force an OT pick?

BPA at 4 and 36.


Well this team and it's fans don't value OL so any OL player would NEVER be considered the BPA so I guess we are going to be stuck with a crappy OL forever!
RE: ......  
MeadowlandsMike : 4/8/2020 11:26 am : link
In comment 14862367 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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One of the best offensive lines in our team's history was comprised of linemen drafted here:

5th Round - UDFA - UDFA - Early 2nd - 3rd

Our shitty olines of these past few seasons are were packed full of 1st and 2nd round picks.

Don't force the issue.


This is exception more than rule. Also the Cowboys line is stocked with 1st rounders. If they had a better QB and better head coaching they'd probably have been in a SuperBowl by now.
RE: Asked this before and will again now  
MeadowlandsMike : 4/8/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14862619 LBH15 said:
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Why can't one or more of these OTs not be considered BPA at #4?

Serious question that I don't think many seem to be able to answer.


A couple could be. But it depends on how strong the evaluation/confidence is on them fulfilling their immense potential. Ultimately at least the way I see it Okudah and Simmons have slightly higher grades but are still in the same row or tier as 2 of the 4 OTs. Need meeting value therefore favors one of those OTs : Wills or Becton.
Think if Patrick Graham, Judges' pick to be AC and the DC  
TMS : 4/8/2020 11:57 am : link
has influence here, he is thinking about how he can use Simmons or Okudah in his defense. He has been doing defense and LBs for many years including two years under BB. He was a surprise pick to be named AC over Garrett so you never know. We will see.
RE: Think if Patrick Graham, Judges' pick to be AC and the DC  
GiantsFan84 : 4/8/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14862731 TMS said:
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has influence here, he is thinking about how he can use Simmons or Okudah in his defense. He has been doing defense and LBs for many years including two years under BB. He was a surprise pick to be named AC over Garrett so you never know. We will see.


they cannot draft okudah (who is a tremendous player). they used all that capital last year for baker and paid a fortune for bradbury. okudah is not an option for them unless you're ready to give up on baker already
re: okudah  
GiantsFan84 : 4/8/2020 12:13 pm : link
if they wanted to draft okudah they should have signed conklin instead of bradbury
RE: re: okudah  
MeadowlandsMike : 4/8/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14862756 GiantsFan84 said:
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if they wanted to draft okudah they should have signed conklin instead of bradbury


We apparently didn't even show interest which shows they committed to the direction of going CB as the big signing (and likely OT at top of draft)
RE: I'm sure some team(s) will grade an OT worthy at #4  
LBH15 : 4/8/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14862630 JonC said:
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I'm sure too.
RE: I'm sure some team(s) will grade an OT worthy at #4  
Rudy5757 : 4/8/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14862630 JonC said:
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it's not out of the question.

But, in my opinion none of them measure up to the defensive prospects.


Besides Young, Okudah, Brown and Simmons, who else do you have above the OTs? My take is that Simmons is not in consideration at 4 for me, I think you an I agree on that. I hope the Giants feel that way too. I would take Young and Okudah over OT but I would have a hard time taking Brown. He looks the part but that combine was telling, he is so slow and we are loaded up at DT for the time being, at some point we have to spend top picks at other spots. It seems like we are spending a 1-3 on a DT every year.
BPA  
UberAlias : 4/8/2020 12:47 pm : link
The team has a lot of needs, OL and pass rusher in particular, but I would argue that the team's biggest need is adding play makers, particularly on defense. We have one guy that concerns opposing coordinators and that's Barkely. No one on defense. If you look at superbowl teams they have a small handful of guys who are at a probowl or all pro level and have impact players on both sides of the ball.

We need to improve the OLine, but in particular when it comes to pass blocking, the line is only as good as it's weakest link, not as good as it's strongest. If Tuo goes before us we will have a chance to take the 2nd best non-QB in the draft. If it's me, I'm taking the best available blue chip player, most likely on D, and making Oline a priority following.
RE: BPA  
TMS : 4/8/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14862327 Giant John said:
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Rule of the draft in the first round. We will have opportunity to take lineman. In up coming rounds. Key is who do the Giants think is BPA?
. of course that has been the rule most teams follow. Here it seems many do not concur and want a need pick 5 or more spots higher. We will see.
"I'm sure some team(s) will grade an OT worthy at #4"  
Torrag : 4/8/2020 1:05 pm : link
Hopefully including the Giants.
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Tuckrule : 4/8/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14862802 Torrag said:
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Hopefully including the Giants.


+1. This team needs offensive line help in the worst way. Many people have wills in the top 10 on their board. Cosell thinks he’s a stud and that’s.l a guys opinion I respect. If Eli remained QB I think giants fans would view this differently. Daniel jones covered up a ton for this putrid offense. He was the offense! Get him some lineman it’s really simple. Imagine wills and a bounce back year for solder. If you want to help the D, do so at 36. This defense was bad. The priority going into this offseason was fixing the offensive line while also getting real edge help. What has changed? Unless young falls into our lap you take either wills or wirfs. Whoever the giants like more.
"Unless young falls into our lap you take either wills or wirfs."  
Torrag : 4/8/2020 1:24 pm : link
/nod...and you don't think twice.
Say It's To Be an OT  
Percy : 4/8/2020 8:26 pm : link
Who is involved in presenting to Gettleman which one it should be? How many are there who matter? How do they make up their own minds individually?
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