I have been watching some old games and got to the games when Melo came Back right around when Woodson came back. That team was rolling with Woodson as head coach, blowing out teams playing team ball. Melo played a lot of off the ball and seemed happy doing it.
It is to bad Lin got hurt, I think the players got upset with him when he wouodnt play at 85% when Davis blew out his knee.
If they resigned Lin with the vets that came in the following year, how much better would they have been during that 54 win season?
I honestly think that Felton during that 54 win season was just as interchangeable.
I like Lin a lot, but regression to the norm eventually happened and he is a 6th man/role player at best.
Sometimes players get hot. Lin had a moment in the sun. But then they come back to Earth.
I kind of compare it to Aaron Small of the yankees in 05'. We were struggling and he came in off of waivers and went 10-0! Then he was out of the league in 2 years.
It started against Nets and it was crazy. That was a fun team too with Novak, Fields, Melo, Amare and Chandler.
Garden was rockin!
i dunno they seemed to be playing very well together
I would have kept him. Knicks were capped out and had few avenues to acquiring legit rotation players. Even if 6th man/fringe starter was Lin's ceiling, I still would have kept him on that contract. It may have been an overpay under the cap at that time, but nothing outrageous and it was only for 3 years.
But Houston traded a first and second round pick to get rid of that contract, too. And IIRC it had some weird poison pill type clauses that made it worse for the Knicks than for Houston somehow? I forget the details of that.
But Houston traded a first and second round pick to get rid of that contract, too. And IIRC it had some weird poison pill type clauses that made it worse for the Knicks than for Houston somehow? I forget the details of that.
it was a 3 year deal, for knicks it would of been 5, 5, 15 each year..
for the rockets it averaged out so their hit was 8 million a year
But Houston traded a first and second round pick to get rid of that contract, too. And IIRC it had some weird poison pill type clauses that made it worse for the Knicks than for Houston somehow? I forget the details of that.
Knicks would have potentially had a big luxury tax hit in year 3, but with smart cap management (hah!) they probably could have navigated around it.
For a capped out team with hardly any decent assets to use in a trade, I think letting a quality player entering his prime leave without getting anything in return was foolish. Lin, for all his limitations, would have been the best guard on the team going forward.
That said, it was going to be very difficult to build a legit contender with the Amare contract on the books through 14/15.
True, that. The Knicks never should have traded for Melo. When Melo got his hands on the ball, the offense came to a grinding halt. That aside, Lin did have trouble moving to his left and ultimately teams would have overplayed his right.
Ummm... what? After they fired MDA, the Knicks won 72 of their next 106 regular season games and their only playoff series victory in 1000 years.
Jeremy Lin leaving the team is nobody's fault but his own. He decided to go for the money and was out of the starting lineup 2 years later.
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Ummm... what? After they fired MDA, the Knicks won 72 of their next 106 regular season games and their only playoff series victory in 1000 years.
Jeremy Lin leaving the team is nobody's fault but his own. He decided to go for the money and was out of the starting lineup 2 years later.
One season does not make a successful career. Melo did not know how to play team ball. The Knicks should have kept Gallinari and build through the draft.
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He ran Lin and Dantoni out of town
Ummm... what? After they fired MDA, the Knicks won 72 of their next 106 regular season games and their only playoff series victory in 1000 years.
Jeremy Lin leaving the team is nobody's fault but his own. He decided to go for the money and was out of the starting lineup 2 years later.
One season does not make a successful career. Melo did not know how to play team ball. The Knicks should have kept Gallinari and build through the draft.
and been a lottery team for hoe long? Have you followed gallinaris career?
You realize melos finish to the 2011 season where he carried them to the playoffs was better than anything lin did..
I'll never understand the hate for Melo and the constant praise for Walsh. One of the only good things Walsh did was trade for Melo. It's the moves after that- Billups amnesty, Bargnani trade etc ( mostly from Grunwald) that was the problem.
Melo had his flaws but the Knicks surrounded him with dogshit most of the time. And when they put a decent team together one season they were a very good team...
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I'll never understand the hate for Melo and the constant praise for Walsh. One of the only good things Walsh did was trade for Melo. It's the moves after that- Billups amnesty, Bargnani trade etc ( mostly from Grunwald) that was the problem.
I believe Walsh was gone by the time all of that went down. Walsh had nothing to do with amnestying Billups or trading for Bargnani.
Chandler's injury i think hurt them the most he got destroyed by hibbert and Martin sprained his ankle 2 weeks before the playoffs and limited him..
Also not finishing the Celtics off in 4 or 5 games did not allow the vets to get rest, that game 1 the Knicks were flat
Melo wasn't great that series but he was good enough. But man did Chandler get dominated and JR was terrible. They still took that Pacers team that was loaded to 6 games though. I loved watching that team. There was an ABC Sunday game where they worked the Thunder at OKC to win their 12th straight. That was the peak Knicks moment for me since the 1999 run.
That offseason was pivotal though. If they use the package they traded Bargnani for to acquire an actual good player, I think things would have been much different.
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a bunch of games from 2012-2013. Pretty sad we were running a more modern offense 7 years ago than we did last season. Although, even that was an "accident" due to Amare missing most of the season. Regardless, that was an entertaining season with lots of twists and turns. You had the main key guys (Melo, Chandler, Felton, JR) but the rest of the rotation was a revolving door of random vets and other other pieces. To this day I think they had a shot to beat the Pacers if Woodson had given Copelan more minutes. But the main problem was that Melo, Chandler, and JR were all battling random injuries by the end of the season. IIRC, all 3 of them had surgeries immediately after the season.
Melo wasn't great that series but he was good enough. But man did Chandler get dominated and JR was terrible. They still took that Pacers team that was loaded to 6 games though. I loved watching that team. There was an ABC Sunday game where they worked the Thunder at OKC to win their 12th straight. That was the peak Knicks moment for me since the 1999 run.
That offseason was pivotal though. If they use the package they traded Bargnani for to acquire an actual good player, I think things would have been much different.
The problem was stoudemire, he was shell of himself, and with his contract could not improve the team..
they needed a floor spacer
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David Blatt’s consulting agreement with the Knicks has expired, source says, so he’s no longer with the organization. Source said he left on good terms. Blatt was hired by former NYK President Steve Mills.
not a big deal either way but I guess you can take it as a good sign that a Mills guy is out.
it seems a bit odd to me that the new guy running the Bulls seemingly has been more active over the last week than Leon has been over the last few months.
Clearly something like this is what Rose was brought in to do. I have no idea if he can deliver.
Seems like the duos of Mitchell/ Gobert and Embiid/ Simmons are a good chance of being broken up. Who would you prioritize if they are available?
Would Philly do the following for Embiid? I'm guessing its still not enough...
Robinson
Randle
2020 1st
2021 Dallas unprotected
2022 NYK 1st round pick
Embiid is a monster. He's probably got the highest ceiling of all 4. I'm just worried about his health long term.
Simmons also had a back injury. Those can be tricky.
Embiid is a monster. He's probably got the highest ceiling of all 4. I'm just worried about his health long term.
Simmons also had a back injury. Those can be tricky.
I think the jazz trade gobert before they trade mitchell..
Guards just seem easier to build around
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Knicks are going to go hard after Embiid in the summer..
Seems like the duos of Mitchell/ Gobert and Embiid/ Simmons are a good chance of being broken up. Who would you prioritize if they are available?
Would Philly do the following for Embiid? I'm guessing its still not enough...
Robinson
Randle
2020 1st
2021 Dallas unprotected
2022 NYK 1st round pick
probably another first and maybe a fluer on knox
2021 Dallas 1st
2022 NYK 1st
2023 Dallas 1st
Robinson, Randle, Knox.
Would you do it? I understand his upside and how dominant he can be but his health scares the shit out of me. Would be a massive risk given the package but the upside is there...
I would be happy to trade for Simmons. I think you could build a really fun team around him. But you would have to have 3 knock down shooters around him and a good rim runner. Build a team that constantly runs and pushes the ball. And Simmons is an elite defender when hes locked in. Let me throw another scenario at you guys.
Knicks receive Simmons
Philly receives- Barrett/ 2020 NYK 1st
Who says no?