Disclaimer: We have no idea how much say Judge will have and how much a draft philosophy change NYG may undergo. But if in fact DG has lost power to JJ in the "virtual" draft room, I wonder if some of the Patriot tendencies start to show themselves. Note: to be clear, I am not suggesting Judge is running this draft or has final say. By all accounts, its DGs draft to lead. But perhaps JJ will have more influence than Shurmur (a guy who I believe brought less to the table with regard to a) sheer brain power b) a strong voice c) talent evaluation skills).
If any of that is correct, I wonder if we will see the following:
1. Use of a Day 3 pick on a developmental QB.
2. More emphasis on special teams potential.
3. As we've often heard with Judge, more versatile players.
4. More polished players from bigger programs.
If that is the case, here are some players that may be valued more. I'm limiting this to Day 3 players.
QB: James Morgan, Jake Fromm if he slips deep into Day 3
RB: Joshua Kelly, Brian Herrien, JJ Taylor
WR: Michael Pittman, Quintez Cephus, Tyler Johnson, Joe Reed
TE: Other than Kmet, I just don't like this TE class.
OT: Saahdiq Charles, Lucas Niang, Charlie Heck
OG: Danny Pinter, Calvin Throckmorton, Ben Bredeson
C: Nick Harris always seems to jump out at me as a guy who is better than many who are ranked above him based on body type alone
DT: Davon Hamilton, John Penisini, Khalil Davis
Edge: Jonathan Greenard (to me, hes a clear top 50 player but the mocks have him lower), Derek Tuszkam, James Smith-Williams
LB: Jacob Phillips, Joe Bachie, Dante Olsen
CB: Lavert Hill, Josiah Scott, Dane Jackson, Cameron Danzler
S: JR Reed, Terrell Burgess, Jared Mayden
He no doubt will have different ideas on the type of player he is looking for. I do think that square pegs will not be used in round holes, the holes will be shaped to accept the square peg. Perhaps the square peg will be bypassed and a hexagonal peg will be found.
Garrett will no doubt pound the table for an anchor tackle. Graham no doubt longs for a potentially elite defender like Simmons or Okudah.
I agree that for mid-late round guys, ability to contribute on special teams will be a requirement.
I am NOT saying that JJ is the leader of the NY Giants but rather his philosophy will be the guiding philosophy for the whole organization for the next few years. And I like that.
Judge knows what system he wants to run and the kind of players that he needs to run it. That alone will add a different dimension.
However, the Giants remain an institution and will likely operate as they have always done. If there is change in the process, I think it will be because there is a recognition that the way they have been doing thing isn't working and less because of a new HC
I am NOT saying that JJ is the leader of the NY Giants but rather his philosophy will be the guiding philosophy for the whole organization for the next few years. And I like that.
Nicely said on your part.
I am NOT saying that JJ is the leader of the NY Giants but rather his philosophy will be the guiding philosophy for the whole organization for the next few years. And I like that.
Well said. Agreed 100%.
Considering Jason Garrett got his first coaching job under Nick Saban I do believe that JJ and his coordinators will be on the same page re: philosophy on the type of players they want. Judge also seems like the type of person who can clearly articulate to the scouting staff what they should be looking for. Buffalo was successful with a holdover scouting staff after Sean McDermott was hired because McDermott knew exactly the type of player he wanted and the scouting staff was able to focus on the players that met his criteria. You also saw it when you compare Tom Coughlin's early years with Jim Fassel's final years. Fassel was never clear with his vision and that caused the scouting staff to gamble on athletes who ended up being poor scheme fits. Under Coughlin it was more clear who they wanted.
I am NOT saying that JJ is the leader of the NY Giants but rather his philosophy will be the guiding philosophy for the whole organization for the next few years. And I like that.
Agreed.
Whoever the Giants draft, it won't be just who is best for the team this year, but who fits best into the plan for the long haul. I think this is Judge's philosophy will carry the day, and I think Gettleman will be mostly responsible for negotiating with other teams as to whether to trade up or down.
From that description, who do I think best fits the profile for a 1st round pick?
FAST: OLB Simmons or OT Wirfs. These two were the fastest at their positions at the combine. Wirfs will certainly help the team immediately to keep the QB off his butt. Simmons may be the better choice for the future as he is a generational talent, very versatile and there is no one like him.
TOUGH: OT Beckton. He's the beast. There is nobody bigger than this junkyard dog, not to mention he's no slowpoke. He wouldn't be the best OT pick for this year, but for the long haul, he has the most upside.
SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND: CB Okudah or OT Wills/Thomas. Akudah's not the fastest CB by any means, but he sticks to his man and doesn't get beat very often. In a trade down, either of Wills or Thomas would be the guys who are the most consistent and tough linemen, who don't get beat.
It seems to me we are taking Simmons or in a trade down, we could still go Simmons or an OT if Simmons or Okudah aren't available
AND FOR THE FREE AGENTS WE SIGNED:
FAST: LB Fackrell
TOUGH: TE Toillo LB Mayo WR/ST Core FB Penny
SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND: CB Bradberry MLB Martinez. They don't beat themselves.
As you can see, the free agents we have signed, do fall into the plan (philosophy) outlined by Judge in his introductory interview. I think we will see that plan continues to unfold in the draft and in the rest of any free agents we pick up if any more are added.
I can't even try to predict who we take in the 2nd round, but I am sure whoever we get will fall into the fast, tough, smart, and fundamentally sound categories.
Whoever the Giants draft, it won't be just who is best for the team this year, but who fits best into the plan for the long haul. I think this is Judge's philosophy will carry the day, and I think Gettleman will be mostly responsible for negotiating with other teams as to whether to trade up or down.
From that description, who do I think best fits the profile for a 1st round pick?
FAST: OLB Simmons or OT Wirfs. These two were the fastest at their positions at the combine. Wirfs will certainly help the team immediately to keep the QB off his butt. Simmons may be the better choice for the future as he is a generational talent, very versatile and there is no one like him.
TOUGH: OT Beckton. He's the beast. There is nobody bigger than this junkyard dog, not to mention he's no slowpoke. He wouldn't be the best OT pick for this year, but for the long haul, he has the most upside.
SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND: CB Okudah or OT Wills/Thomas. Akudah's not the fastest CB by any means, but he sticks to his man and doesn't get beat very often. In a trade down, either of Wills or Thomas would be the guys who are the most consistent and tough linemen, who don't get beat.
It seems to me we are taking Simmons or in a trade down, we could still go Simmons or an OT if Simmons or Okudah aren't available
AND FOR THE FREE AGENTS WE SIGNED:
FAST: LB Fackrell
TOUGH: TE Toillo LB Mayo WR/ST Core FB Penny
SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND: CB Bradberry MLB Martinez. They don't beat themselves.
As you can see, the free agents we have signed, do fall into the plan (philosophy) outlined by Judge in his introductory interview. I think we will see that plan continues to unfold in the draft and in the rest of any free agents we pick up if any more are added.
I can't even try to predict who we take in the 2nd round, but I am sure whoever we get will fall into the fast, tough, smart, and fundamentally sound categories.
In your "SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND" area should have included Simmons. People rave about how high of a football IQ he has, one of the smartest out there.
Good point. I missed that fact in the OP.
I hope for any of the possibilities you mentioned.